Back ends look low???
Back ends look low???
I was in the market for a 6th Gen but i had a question... It seems that the back end of the 6th Gens look to sag alot, especially with people sitting back there... Is this right for all models or does the SE have stiffer springs to combat this??? Does anyone else notice this sag???
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Yes, I notice it too...
I have an SE (which does have pretty stiff springs) and this weekend I hauled 3 others (two of them being quite large) around on a 600 mile trip... I noticed that the back end seemed pretty low and at one point (I checked) I could barely (and I mean BARELY) fit my finger between the tire and the edge of the body.... I know that the body and tire don't exactly line up, but that was a little too close for me.
Another thing I noticed was that the rear deck rattle was far more present with the added weight in the back (and almost non-existant with no one riding in the back). Interesting.
On a related note, has anyone else noticed that the leather "stretches" after larger people ride in the car? My passenger seat is terrible (it won't go back - permanent creases) and one side of the back seat is starting to crease...
I have an SE (which does have pretty stiff springs) and this weekend I hauled 3 others (two of them being quite large) around on a 600 mile trip... I noticed that the back end seemed pretty low and at one point (I checked) I could barely (and I mean BARELY) fit my finger between the tire and the edge of the body.... I know that the body and tire don't exactly line up, but that was a little too close for me.
Another thing I noticed was that the rear deck rattle was far more present with the added weight in the back (and almost non-existant with no one riding in the back). Interesting.
On a related note, has anyone else noticed that the leather "stretches" after larger people ride in the car? My passenger seat is terrible (it won't go back - permanent creases) and one side of the back seat is starting to crease...
If the front of the Max sagged like this, we would have a major problem, as the turning wheels would cause great damage to the fenders. But the rear wheels do not turn, and are (barely) within the plane of the fenders on the SL.
As the tires on the SE are wider than the tires on the SL, one would think they would scrape. But Nissan (doing something right) designed the SE wheel so that the wider tire is also (barely) within the plane of the rear fender.
I would not worry about the rear sagging when there are several folks sitting in the rear seat. The sagging is much more noticable on the '04 Maxima because of the big, low-slung rear. It doesn't look to be far off the ground when NOBODY is sitting in the car.
Several big drivers here have complained about the leather creasing. That is, of course, only a cosmetic annoyance. But I feel it may have had something to do with Nissan changing to a different leather on the '05.
As the tires on the SE are wider than the tires on the SL, one would think they would scrape. But Nissan (doing something right) designed the SE wheel so that the wider tire is also (barely) within the plane of the rear fender.
I would not worry about the rear sagging when there are several folks sitting in the rear seat. The sagging is much more noticable on the '04 Maxima because of the big, low-slung rear. It doesn't look to be far off the ground when NOBODY is sitting in the car.
Several big drivers here have complained about the leather creasing. That is, of course, only a cosmetic annoyance. But I feel it may have had something to do with Nissan changing to a different leather on the '05.
I have about 150 pounds worth of audio stuff in the trunk and one day I had 3 other people with me on a vegas trip. When I stopped to gas up I noticed that my back was so low I couldnt even see the top of my tires. The funny thing is that I was doing 100-120+ and not once did it bottom out even when I hit some big bumps. Oh and its a SE model.
You guys have to realize that the body trim deceives the eye... The body is made such that the front fender is cut a little higher to allow for front steering/suspension issues... But in all reality, the rear frame/wheel well is not sagging @ all. It only appears to sag, because the lines from the body are cut a little differently from front to back. Nissan chose to cut the rear close and leave the front kinda high for steering purposes. IMO, they should have just made everything look even...like the BMW...but that would require "THE BEST" in front suspension = $$$... I absolutely LOVE the way the Beemer sits w/ it's less than 1 inch clearance from the fender in the front AND back! But we're not talking about a $35-40K Beemer here. We're talking an affordable Nissan sports sedan...
Remember, it's clearance from the fender...not the actual "wheel well" we're addressing here. The wheel well is cut deep...the fender is the outer cover that illudes that the car is sagging in the rear. Think about it... Albeit, it's not attractive...and as soon as someone puts out shocks/struts to support the EIBACH lowering springs, I'm on top of it! But, if you think about it, if Nissan didn't "cut some corners" in its design, we would be paying $40-45K for this car... For the money, you have to concede that the MAX is awesome (AS IS...)!!!
Remember, it's clearance from the fender...not the actual "wheel well" we're addressing here. The wheel well is cut deep...the fender is the outer cover that illudes that the car is sagging in the rear. Think about it... Albeit, it's not attractive...and as soon as someone puts out shocks/struts to support the EIBACH lowering springs, I'm on top of it! But, if you think about it, if Nissan didn't "cut some corners" in its design, we would be paying $40-45K for this car... For the money, you have to concede that the MAX is awesome (AS IS...)!!!
Hofb99, I love the 6th Gens but its that Illusion that makes it non-attractive... I can see how the cut and lines of the vehicle from front to back makes the back quarter panel look larger, thus as if its saggin... But technicalities aside its the look of the car that attracts attention, and in this case its bad attention. A solution without taking away from performance would be stiffer springs so as to not compress asmuch as the stock ones. For the front it has to be lowered to compensate for the rear... So lowering and stiffer performance springs for the front and maybe keeping the same height in the front but making them stiffer as to not sag as much??? My .02 cents
-Alex
-Alex
Originally Posted by BORQUA79
Hofb99, I love the 6th Gens but its that Illusion that makes it non-attractive... I can see how the cut and lines of the vehicle from front to back makes the back quarter panel look larger, thus as if its saggin... But technicalities aside its the look of the car that attracts attention, and in this case its bad attention. A solution without taking away from performance would be stiffer springs so as to not compress asmuch as the stock ones. For the front it has to be lowered to compensate for the rear... So lowering and stiffer performance springs for the front and maybe keeping the same height in the front but making them stiffer as to not sag as much??? My .02 cents
-Alex
-Alex
Originally Posted by BORQUA79
I'd drink to that... 

Even BMW is not perfect and they have the same problem.
They are low. When I built my USAC car I added about 400lbs in the rear. I looked for months before I found a company that would custom build me some springs. I was able to get coils with a +500 lb load and the correct factory ride height with a -.8 drop to match the Eibach spring. Although it did cost me $400 to have them built.
I was in the market for a 6th Gen but i had a question... It seems that the back end of the 6th Gens look to sag alot, especially with people sitting back there... Is this right for all models or does the SE have stiffer springs to combat this??? Does anyone else notice this sag???
Thanks
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