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Torque is gone?

Old Jul 18, 2005 | 03:37 PM
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Torque is gone?

Hey guys maybe you can help me here. When I first bought my car the torque was so strong it would basically rip the steering wheel out of your hands. Now I can gun it and the steering wheel is very steady PLUS the power seems to be diminished quite a bit. I mean it is still quicker than my old 95 SE or most other cars I have driven but it doesnt seem like itself. I was wondering if the lack of torque is something others experienced after they had theirs for a while or is this unusual?

I do know that I realized I had been using Jet Pep fuel (cheaper) for sometime now and they have 10% ethanol and the manual states no more than 5%. I am switching to better a brand. I have always used 93 octane, but the ethanol could have diminished it's performance. I am not sure but the lack of torque steering is puzzling. No matter how hard I get on it NONE
Old Jul 18, 2005 | 03:40 PM
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How many miles on the pup?
Old Jul 18, 2005 | 03:41 PM
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your forearms got a lot stronger.
I think maybe you're just used to it now. it kinda crossed my mind too. maybe once everything breaks in, it isn't as detrimental to the steering. or maybe the A/C running and hot air coming in reduces some power
My guess is that since it's expected, we grip harder and are in better control.
Old Jul 18, 2005 | 03:47 PM
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15,000 miles and yea I would normally say that it is b/c I am used to it. However, I can let the steering wheel go w/no hands, and it will be fine without any pull gunning it. Not that I am complaining about that but the torque was part of the fun I guess.
Old Jul 18, 2005 | 03:50 PM
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now, if there is such a place safe enough to do so, you gunned it from a stop redlining each gear? I know bouncing off the rev limiter in 1st and 2nd will pull the wheel.
Old Jul 18, 2005 | 06:55 PM
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I complained about the torque steer a bit and found out that on a perfectly flat road and the wheels straight there is zero torque steer. With a slightly uneven road or with the wheel slightly turned the torqueteer is horrible. Could you be on smooth roads?
Old Jul 18, 2005 | 07:41 PM
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maybe b/c of the weather?
hot air can significantly reduce the performance. just my guess.
also high elevation can reduce the power from the engine, i've seen
0.8 sec 1/4 mile time difference due to diff. temp and diff. elevation with same car
Old Jul 18, 2005 | 11:22 PM
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FSTB virtually eliminated my torque steer. I only get the very slight initial tug, and that's all. My car has about 5500 miles.
Old Jul 19, 2005 | 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RHMax
FSTB virtually eliminated my torque steer. I only get the very slight initial tug, and that's all. My car has about 5500 miles.
i'm not sure that's possible. TS has nothing to do with body flex. it's the wheels propelling the car forward while being able to turn. I'm sure Nissan would have intalled one from the factory if it would eliminate it.
Old Jul 19, 2005 | 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by NismoMax80
your forearms got a lot stronger.
I think maybe you're just used to it now. it kinda crossed my mind too. maybe once everything breaks in, it isn't as detrimental to the steering. or maybe the A/C running and hot air coming in reduces some power
My guess is that since it's expected, we grip harder and are in better control.
I'm inclined to agree.

When I first test drove a 2005 SE manual, I thought it seemed very strong. Later when I bought one, I took it easy the first 1000 miles or so and then the first time I did a WOT run (all within legal limits of course) I thought it was very (for a V6) strong. As time went on though, it seemed that it just didn't have the kick it used to (and at only 7,000 miles...easy going miles by far and large). Now I know the car didn't decline in any way (in fact, it problaby got a little stronger), but my perception of it's power did from being more aquainted with it.
Old Jul 19, 2005 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by darrinps
first time I did a WOT run (all within legal limits of course)
you sure?

I agree how ppl get used to the power so that it doesn't feel as strong as
you first drove it
Old Jul 19, 2005 | 07:42 AM
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My O4 torque was strong from day one until I traded it in at 50K miles - I was used to it, but it would still try and turn the wheel right out of my hands. I'm still breaking in the 05 - but it has TCS and I'm not sure if that will affect the torque under normal driving conditions or not...
Old Jul 19, 2005 | 09:37 AM
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i'm not sure that's possible. TS has nothing to do with body flex. it's the wheels propelling the car forward while being able to turn. I'm sure Nissan would have intalled one from the factory if it would eliminate it.
It's an "Old-ricer" tale at least here in the rice patty(I'm half Asian and not PC) I grew up in, but I've noticed the same on my other cars.

I think it is possible since the body flexes less as the wheels spin so the wheels are better planted on the ground. I tested my car right before I install the bar. My car had quite a bit of TS especially when the wheels are not straight when I gun it. After installation I took the car for a drive and the TS was reduced to a initial slight tug.
Old Jul 19, 2005 | 09:46 AM
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Torque steer is due to uneven half shafts (CV axles) and high torque.
Old Jul 19, 2005 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by brewboy13
I do know that I realized I had been using Jet Pep fuel (cheaper) for sometime now and they have 10% ethanol and the manual states no more than 5%. I am switching to better a brand. I have always used 93 octane, but the ethanol could have diminished it's performance. I am not sure but the lack of torque steering is puzzling. No matter how hard I get on it NONE
You answered your own question. Try using a different fuel, the computers in new cars now are desinged to run on the type of gas you put in. It is just a safety net for your motor.

I agree also that you are probably use to your car now. Try driving a beater type car then drive you Maxima. It will feel like a beast again.
Old Jul 19, 2005 | 10:01 AM
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Torque steer is due to uneven half shafts (CV axles) and high torque.
Yes, but if the wheels are firmly planted, wouldn't that help?
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Old Jul 19, 2005 | 10:07 AM
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Oohhh, my car is a freak.
Old Jul 19, 2005 | 12:14 PM
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As many have stated yes I am probably used to the car much more by now therefore the power is not as profound to me. However, the torque steering is gone period that is not in my head you can clearly see it. It is just odd that it has gone away . To some they would love it but that was part of the fun imo. Anywho thanks for the input guys....
Old Jul 19, 2005 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by brewboy13
As many have stated yes I am probably used to the car much more by now therefore the power is not as profound to me. However, the torque steering is gone period that is not in my head you can clearly see it. It is just odd that it has gone away . To some they would love it but that was part of the fun imo. Anywho thanks for the input guys....

You should take it to a dyno and confirm that it is either in your head, or a true power loss.

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Old Jul 19, 2005 | 02:03 PM
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It's hot outside...
Old Jul 19, 2005 | 09:51 PM
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That is true. When did you, brewboy13, noticed no TS?
Old Jul 20, 2005 | 06:45 AM
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The same thing has happened to me, but I believe I just modified my driving style to avoid the TS. The same with the turning radius when i first got the car I could'nt put it in the garage on the first try. In a week or so it was easy and now I don't even think about it.
Old Jul 20, 2005 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by RHMax
That is true. When did you, brewboy13, noticed no TS?
Probably sometime around early June. There maybe something to the heat!
Old Jul 20, 2005 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by brewboy13
Probably sometime around early June. There maybe something to the heat!
You'll find out in a few months.
Old Jul 20, 2005 | 02:17 PM
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I have 36k and a mere jab of the throttle smokes the F1 rubber even in 90 degree heat. I think you should disconnect the battery to reset the ECU...couldnt hurt.
Old Jul 20, 2005 | 02:58 PM
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on mine it seems less torquey...? also, I really just think it's preception that we all have as we've gotten used to the car. Mine still pulls hard through all the gears and runs like a scared rabbit...... and as far as wheel spin......wish I had limited slip....mmmmmm dreamin again........
Old Jul 20, 2005 | 05:52 PM
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Did the 6-sp SE not come with an LSD?
I thought I read that somewhere.
Duluth! I'm in L'ville. That's a nice/clean ride, I'll honk or flash my lights if I spot your car on the road.
Old Jul 20, 2005 | 05:55 PM
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thanks for the up, unfortunately I couldn't talk them into the limited slip when the trans got replaced....... I try to keep an eye out for max's in the area, I'll watch for you
Old Jul 21, 2005 | 03:23 PM
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never had it.

My 05 SL has just under 18K miles on it. I've never experienced any torque steer with it, even after attempting to do so.
Old Jul 21, 2005 | 06:05 PM
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There is even torque steer when I floor it on a Freeway going 65mph.

I think this monster has a bad bad torque steer.

But I can live with it. It makes me concentrate. lol

Maybe your TS disappeared cuz the tires are worn out and it's not gripping as good? less power on the front tires? :P
Old Jul 22, 2005 | 09:16 AM
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Torque Steer Is Gone!

Has anyone noticed that after about 2,000 miles the troque steer just about goes away? I mean i know you can get used to it. But the other day i eased up on the steering wheel and gunned it, NO torque steer.
Old Jul 22, 2005 | 09:33 AM
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I haven't noticed that yet. I got 12k but torque steer still exists for me.
Old Jul 22, 2005 | 10:25 AM
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41,000 miles, lots of ts, even in 3rd gear,
to be honest i haven't noticed any power losses.....yet
i have 6speed if that matters at all
Old Jul 22, 2005 | 10:38 AM
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Old Jul 24, 2005 | 04:10 PM
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I think I know what you are talking about as I have also noticed almost no TS after awhile of driving my car. Now I don't really drive it fast at all since I am trying to take good care of it and also where I live the roads are terrible with idiots as the common drivers seen around town. Anyhow, I did notice the TS when I first test drove the car and it really wasn't that bad at all. I can remember having a new corolla back in 92 that had way more TS to the point it was hard to handle and it didn't even have any horsepower either. I now have about 5500 miles on the car and hardly an TS is noticeable unless I am just used to it but I don't think so since I drive my wife's camry at least once a week and the only think I notice when I get back in my car is the difference in power and handling. One thing my car has started doing for the past 2k or so miles has been creaking and groaning when turning at slow speeds. I call it the Pirate Ship effect. Not sure why but it is a PITA and makes the car sound like an old beater when someone is in the car and says what the heck is that? If it keeps getting worse I may ask the dealer to check it out when I bring it in to rotate the tires soon.
Old Jul 25, 2005 | 08:58 PM
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Did you switch to regular gas? LOL!
Old Jul 25, 2005 | 10:07 PM
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Your car is screwed up....take it in to the dealer and tell them the pickup is gone, dont say the torque steer is gone or else maybe they will want to know what the problem is lol
Old Jul 27, 2005 | 10:45 AM
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ya the TS is more prevelant on a maual trans, so maybe thats why.
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