Subframe connectors for the 6th Gen?
Subframe connectors for the 6th Gen?
Just wondering if there is much interest in Subframes for the 6th Generation? I have read a few posts from 6th Gen guys but not nearly as many as the 4th and 5th Gen owners.
Apparently some believe they won't make much of a difference because the chassis was made stiffer. Any interest? Thoughts? I don't think it will be too hard to get a 6th Gen. in the shop to look her over, but if there is little interest we will work on our other projects.
If there is interest we will be looking for a car to try them on. We prefer ones who have already added strut braces, sway bars and shocks/springs.
Dan
Apparently some believe they won't make much of a difference because the chassis was made stiffer. Any interest? Thoughts? I don't think it will be too hard to get a 6th Gen. in the shop to look her over, but if there is little interest we will work on our other projects.
If there is interest we will be looking for a car to try them on. We prefer ones who have already added strut braces, sway bars and shocks/springs.
Dan
Originally Posted by eK9aT10pSi
i would be interested. would the ones you make have the "X" bar in the center or the 2 straight pieces that run pretty much parallel to the exhaust?
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=516058&page=3
I believe the 6th gen will benefit greatly from SFCs, as the two I've driven seemed to have had plenty of chassis flex like the 5th gens.
SFCs
To be honest I have never been under a 6th Gen. Mike and Sean are the fabrication experts. For the 4th and 5th Gen Maxima, we used 1" x 2" front to back tubing that tucks in tight along the frame rail, and then used Mikes adjustable cross brace and used 1/2" square 11 guage steel to complete the cross bracing to really decrease twist and to add strength. I can tell you this. Adding the cross bracing makes a big difference on my 4th Gen Maxima. The way they designed it, there is very little loss in clearence.
There is no way I can say just how it would look, each car is different. Just trying to guage if there is enough interest to make it worth their time to line one up.
There is no way I can say just how it would look, each car is different. Just trying to guage if there is enough interest to make it worth their time to line one up.
I think the design would be fairly similar to the 4th/5th gens. The 6th gen unibody is a bit different, but it looks as though clearance of the two main rails is similar to the previous generations...
Originally Posted by Nietzsche
The 6th gen has PLENTY of flex. I would definitely add this to my list if it made right. I would really want cross bracing though, that's where I see the most improvement.
except for the stupid part! 
LA02MAX, I think Mike would sh*t if he got to work on a car a clean as yours! Usually here in Minnesota they are rusty and dirty as heck. I think you are correct about using the same principle. I will sent a link of this thread to the boys and get their feedback.
Originally Posted by TruaxMotorsport
LA02MAX, I think Mike would sh*t if he got to work on a car a clean as yours! Usually here in Minnesota they are rusty and dirty as heck. I think you are correct about using the same principle. I will sent a link of this thread to the boys and get their feedback.
nope not my car. I believe that is DeusExMax's car. I own a 5th gen and will be buying these as soon as they're released 
SFCs
The 5th Gens are complete, we are just waiting until BlackMaxx96 gets them welded on his car and to hear his review. In fact they are very similar to the 4th Gen, just a tad longer and we had to change the cross brace a bit. Once he gives us the green light we will be adding them to the group buy.
Sure would be nice if the 6th Gen were not a big difference. It takes a lot of time to prototype a set, then make a good solid jig so we can reproduce them with no variation from set to set. Mike has tons of experience in this area.
Sure would be nice if the 6th Gen were not a big difference. It takes a lot of time to prototype a set, then make a good solid jig so we can reproduce them with no variation from set to set. Mike has tons of experience in this area.
Originally Posted by LA02MAX
nope not my car. I believe that is DeusExMax's car. I own a 5th gen and will be buying these as soon as they're released Kamski
Originally Posted by kamilkluczewski
Thats Chernmax's ride, and I'm in for a set if not too expensive.
Kamski
Kamski
Here's where I found it:
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...9&postcount=11
The 4th gen SFC set is going for $300 which is a freakin steal for what this does to your car!
Originally Posted by LA02MAX
You sure?
Here's where I found it:
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...9&postcount=11
The 4th gen SFC set is going for $300 which is a freakin steal for what this does to your car!
Here's where I found it:
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...9&postcount=11
The 4th gen SFC set is going for $300 which is a freakin steal for what this does to your car!
Kamski
kam realize that it is a 4th gen going for $300...and seeing how pricing normally goes for the 6th gen about anything...you can see that price raise by about $100 so $400 for a x-brace...which in my mind it very handy and still worth it.
my friend has a honda del sol and we just recently had a engine swap to a b16a...DOHC VTEC (Si engine) now we noticed a big problem when we did the engine swap. his car flexs soo much (due to the added power) espeically the fact that Del Sols have t-tops (removable cabin top) so we put in a H-brace (i think) on it...now his body doesn't flex at all and control and responsivness on it is even better now.
however we've come to realize a problem with even that! now that his chassis is strengthed...most of his force is being placed on his wish bones. he just recently blew out or broke his passenger side bushing for the lower control arm.
my only concern with this idea is the fact that now we really would be placing a lot of pressure and force on our wheels and control arms and axels...can they handle it?
my friend has a honda del sol and we just recently had a engine swap to a b16a...DOHC VTEC (Si engine) now we noticed a big problem when we did the engine swap. his car flexs soo much (due to the added power) espeically the fact that Del Sols have t-tops (removable cabin top) so we put in a H-brace (i think) on it...now his body doesn't flex at all and control and responsivness on it is even better now.
however we've come to realize a problem with even that! now that his chassis is strengthed...most of his force is being placed on his wish bones. he just recently blew out or broke his passenger side bushing for the lower control arm.
my only concern with this idea is the fact that now we really would be placing a lot of pressure and force on our wheels and control arms and axels...can they handle it?
Originally Posted by MisterSparkle
kam realize that it is a 4th gen going for $300...and seeing how pricing normally goes for the 6th gen about anything...you can see that price raise by about $100 so $400 for a x-brace...which in my mind it very handy and still worth it.
Where would you get that idea from? The 6th gen bracing shouldn't be very much longer than the 5th gen's, which means there isn't much difference in material usage between the two...I would guess that they should be very similar in pricing, but we both don't know for sure about it until measurements are taken and fabrications are made
Originally Posted by MisterSparkle
my friend has a honda del sol and we just recently had a engine swap to a b16a...DOHC VTEC (Si engine) now we noticed a big problem when we did the engine swap. his car flexs soo much (due to the added power) espeically the fact that Del Sols have t-tops (removable cabin top) so we put in a H-brace (i think) on it...now his body doesn't flex at all and control and responsivness on it is even better now.
however we've come to realize a problem with even that! now that his chassis is strengthed...most of his force is being placed on his wish bones. he just recently blew out or broke his passenger side bushing for the lower control arm.
my only concern with this idea is the fact that now we really would be placing a lot of pressure and force on our wheels and control arms and axels...can they handle it?
however we've come to realize a problem with even that! now that his chassis is strengthed...most of his force is being placed on his wish bones. he just recently blew out or broke his passenger side bushing for the lower control arm.
my only concern with this idea is the fact that now we really would be placing a lot of pressure and force on our wheels and control arms and axels...can they handle it?
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Originally Posted by kamilkluczewski
Thats Chernmax's ride, and I'm in for a set if not too expensive.
Kamski
Kamski
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 10,197
From: Displaced New Yorker in Southern, MD
Originally Posted by DeusExMaxima
OOOH thems are fightin words . . .lol. Im in for a brace too!!
I have seen NCSU Max's car with this set up (Just yesterday in fact). It is clean and straight forward. The car handles remarakably well. It corners like it's on rails. Very impressive to see/experience.
Swee
Swee
I'd be in for a set. It seems like clearance wouldn't be much of an issue either, 'cause the frame rails stick down about an inch.. I could try to get up with blackmaxx96 (Mike) and compare the SFC's for the 5th gen to my car, if that would help anything.
Good Morning Guys,
Wow, I am pleasently surprised that there are as many responses as there have been in just 12 hours or so. I have not talked to Mike and Sean regarding pricing but if they are quite similar to the 5th Gen car, we should not have a big jump in pricing, if any. If there are extra welds and cuts needed this adds to our build time, so we would need to adjust accordingly. We will have to look for a local car. Generally it takes the boys at least a whole shop day to cut, weld and fit a set of subframes. For the 4th Gen. it took even longer, as my Maxima has been in a wreck, so once we had what we thought was a good fit, tried it on another car and ended up tweaking her a bit. This is one reason we are not cutting the holes in the tabs, even though they shoulds be exactly the same, there is minor variation from car to car. I should also add, I will actually get a weight posted today. There is only about 2-3 inch difference in length in the 5th-4th Gen SFCs so the differnece in weight is going to be about 1 lb or so.
Wow, I am pleasently surprised that there are as many responses as there have been in just 12 hours or so. I have not talked to Mike and Sean regarding pricing but if they are quite similar to the 5th Gen car, we should not have a big jump in pricing, if any. If there are extra welds and cuts needed this adds to our build time, so we would need to adjust accordingly. We will have to look for a local car. Generally it takes the boys at least a whole shop day to cut, weld and fit a set of subframes. For the 4th Gen. it took even longer, as my Maxima has been in a wreck, so once we had what we thought was a good fit, tried it on another car and ended up tweaking her a bit. This is one reason we are not cutting the holes in the tabs, even though they shoulds be exactly the same, there is minor variation from car to car. I should also add, I will actually get a weight posted today. There is only about 2-3 inch difference in length in the 5th-4th Gen SFCs so the differnece in weight is going to be about 1 lb or so.
Originally Posted by chernmax
I like it a lot, but I'm curious as to how much weight it will add???
Originally Posted by TruaxMotorsport
Good Morning Guys,
Wow, I am pleasently surprised that there are as many responses as there have been in just 12 hours or so. I have not talked to Mike and Sean regarding pricing but if they are quite similar to the 5th Gen car, we should not have a big jump in pricing, if any. If there are extra welds and cuts needed this adds to our build time, so we would need to adjust accordingly. We will have to look for a local car. Generally it takes the boys at least a whole shop day to cut, weld and fit a set of subframes. For the 4th Gen. it took even longer, as my Maxima has been in a wreck, so once we had what we thought was a good fit, tried it on another car and ended up tweaking her a bit. This is one reason we are not cutting the holes in the tabs, even though they shoulds be exactly the same, there is minor variation from car to car. I should also add, I will actually get a weight posted today. There is only about 2-3 inch difference in length in the 5th-4th Gen SFCs so the differnece in weight is going to be about 1 lb or so.
Wow, I am pleasently surprised that there are as many responses as there have been in just 12 hours or so. I have not talked to Mike and Sean regarding pricing but if they are quite similar to the 5th Gen car, we should not have a big jump in pricing, if any. If there are extra welds and cuts needed this adds to our build time, so we would need to adjust accordingly. We will have to look for a local car. Generally it takes the boys at least a whole shop day to cut, weld and fit a set of subframes. For the 4th Gen. it took even longer, as my Maxima has been in a wreck, so once we had what we thought was a good fit, tried it on another car and ended up tweaking her a bit. This is one reason we are not cutting the holes in the tabs, even though they shoulds be exactly the same, there is minor variation from car to car. I should also add, I will actually get a weight posted today. There is only about 2-3 inch difference in length in the 5th-4th Gen SFCs so the differnece in weight is going to be about 1 lb or so.
Originally Posted by LA02MAX
The guess so far is 40-50 lbs. However, this 40-50 lbs. is added to the very bottom of the car, which helps lower the center of gravity...If you're really that worried about adding the weight, I highly suggest finding a way to lighten your load a little to offset the weight of these, because they are a very worthwhile mod. Your car will ride smoother, wont rattle anymore, and handling will be dramatically improved
I agree but the Maxima has significant twist across the frame. Forty pounds to take out that twist isn't bad. Add the fact it's as low on the car as possible. Sure it adds weight, but with the pounds lost on your rims and aluminium calipers you should even out.
i'm def down...i would think that the weight addition would affect a little since our cars are alraedy very heavy...but like lamax siad its worth the the weight for improved handling. if the x-brace is anything like a H brace which i would assume does the exact same...its well worth it.
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Originally Posted by TruaxMotorsport
Good Morning Guys,
Wow, I am pleasently surprised that there are as many responses as there have been in just 12 hours or so. I have not talked to Mike and Sean regarding pricing but if they are quite similar to the 5th Gen car, we should not have a big jump in pricing, if any. If there are extra welds and cuts needed this adds to our build time, so we would need to adjust accordingly. We will have to look for a local car. Generally it takes the boys at least a whole shop day to cut, weld and fit a set of subframes. For the 4th Gen. it took even longer, as my Maxima has been in a wreck, so once we had what we thought was a good fit, tried it on another car and ended up tweaking her a bit. This is one reason we are not cutting the holes in the tabs, even though they shoulds be exactly the same, there is minor variation from car to car. I should also add, I will actually get a weight posted today. There is only about 2-3 inch difference in length in the 5th-4th Gen SFCs so the differnece in weight is going to be about 1 lb or so.
Wow, I am pleasently surprised that there are as many responses as there have been in just 12 hours or so. I have not talked to Mike and Sean regarding pricing but if they are quite similar to the 5th Gen car, we should not have a big jump in pricing, if any. If there are extra welds and cuts needed this adds to our build time, so we would need to adjust accordingly. We will have to look for a local car. Generally it takes the boys at least a whole shop day to cut, weld and fit a set of subframes. For the 4th Gen. it took even longer, as my Maxima has been in a wreck, so once we had what we thought was a good fit, tried it on another car and ended up tweaking her a bit. This is one reason we are not cutting the holes in the tabs, even though they shoulds be exactly the same, there is minor variation from car to car. I should also add, I will actually get a weight posted today. There is only about 2-3 inch difference in length in the 5th-4th Gen SFCs so the differnece in weight is going to be about 1 lb or so.
If you cannot find a local car, recommend checking with car rental companies and renting a Max for a day and take the whole day measuring, what's a daily rental $40 bucks, seems like a great return with the current interest. JMHO
Good luck and again, if it works out, I'M IN!!!
Originally Posted by DeusExMaxima
Im not thrilled with adding 40-50 lbs unless there is a substantial change in handling. Its almost like it offsets each other - weight vs. handling
Anyways, we drive pretty hefty cars...40-50 lbs. is not going to make much difference. Example: when I added my 6th gen front brakes, there was a difference of about 15 lbs. and an inch in diameter of rotational mass on my front wheels. Did I notice a difference? Nope
I still ran a 14.3@98 and gas mileage is still the same. Weight added at the bottom of the car will actually have benefit the handling characteristics of your car and like I said before, there's always thigngs you can do to lose weight
Originally Posted by LA02MAX
Weight added at the bottom of the car will actually have benefit the handling characteristics of your car and like I said before, there's always thigngs you can do to lose weight
Originally Posted by DeusExMaxima
Well, I think, more accurately, the detriment to the added weight is minimized, by placing it low on the chassis. In other words, adding weight itself does not benefit the car, but placing it low minimizes the detriment with respect to handling and possibly braking. And its a good reason to drop a few pounds with a diet, eh?
