Adios to Maxima and to the ORG...got a new car
09-29-2007, 11:24 PM
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Adios to Maxima and to the ORG...got a new car
After my accident ( I am sure many of you saw, the fliped over max) I had been looking for a car to replace the max. I just got a 04 G35x AWD fully loaded. I gotta say i like the handling and the quick acceleration. Anyways, its been fun and thanks to all the guys that helped me out. I'll be hanging around on the forum here and there. So for now so long...
09-30-2007, 08:25 PM
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Actually a damn good choice my friend. The G35x's are HELLA NICE. More HP and lighter than the maxima because the G35 is built on the Altima Chassis. Seriously, great choice, and even though I never knew ye, I'm already missin' ya. LOL!!! Peace bro. Oh and how bout you grace us with some parting shots of the x!!! 
09-30-2007, 08:38 PM
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Actually a damn good choice my friend. The G35x's are HELLA NICE. More HP and lighter than the maxima because the G35 is built on the Altima Chassis. Seriously, great choice, and even though I never knew ye, I'm already missin' ya. LOL!!! Peace bro. Oh and how bout you grace us with some parting shots of the x!!!
I never compared the weights of the SE and SL Maximas before. But I am surprised to find that the SE weighs more than the SL. I had thought just the opposite. Is that because of the tire size?
However, the Altima SL (3423 lbs) weighs more than the SE (3360 lbs). Why is that?
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09-30-2007, 08:50 PM
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WOW< maybe you're right, I had been checking the '08. Also, how the hell can the G35 be so heavy when it's so much smaller than the maxima? Interesting. Must be all those luxury options.
2008 Nissan Maxima SE - EDIT I had listed the gross weight instead of curb weight. OOOPS!
Curb Weight: 3579 lbs
2008 Nissan Maxima SE
Ok, per Edmunds.com
2007 Nissan Maxima SE
Curb Weight: 3591 lbs 2007 Nissan Maxima SE
2007 Infiniti G35x
Curb Weight: 3704 lbs 2007 Infiniti G35x
2007 Infiniti G35 sedan automatic
Curb Weight: 3538 lbs 2007 Infiniti G35 sedan automatic
2008 Nissan Maxima SE - EDIT I had listed the gross weight instead of curb weight. OOOPS!
Curb Weight: 3579 lbs
2008 Nissan Maxima SE
Ok, per Edmunds.com
2007 Nissan Maxima SE
Curb Weight: 3591 lbs 2007 Nissan Maxima SE
2007 Infiniti G35x
Curb Weight: 3704 lbs 2007 Infiniti G35x
2007 Infiniti G35 sedan automatic
Curb Weight: 3538 lbs 2007 Infiniti G35 sedan automatic
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09-30-2007, 08:54 PM
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09-30-2007, 09:06 PM
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09-30-2007, 09:08 PM
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09-30-2007, 09:22 PM
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"Also, how the hell can the G35 be so heavy when it's so much smaller than the maxima? Interesting. Must be all those luxury options"
You have to remember the BIG advantages of FWD...
Engine can be transversly mounted therefore reducing the hood length and increasing room lengthwise for passengers.
No driveshaft is needed so more interior room for passengers(less weight).
You have to remember the BIG advantages of FWD...
Engine can be transversly mounted therefore reducing the hood length and increasing room lengthwise for passengers.
No driveshaft is needed so more interior room for passengers(less weight).
09-30-2007, 10:23 PM
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Both SE (3591 lbs) and SL (3579 lbs) Maximas weigh less than the G35x (3704 lbs). Info obtained from Infiniti.com and Nissan.com.
I never compared the weights of the SE and SL Maximas before. But I am surprised to find that the SE weighs more than the SL. I had thought just the opposite. Is that because of the tire size?
However, the Altima SL (3423 lbs) weighs more than the SE (3360 lbs). Why is that?
I never compared the weights of the SE and SL Maximas before. But I am surprised to find that the SE weighs more than the SL. I had thought just the opposite. Is that because of the tire size?
However, the Altima SL (3423 lbs) weighs more than the SE (3360 lbs). Why is that?
09-30-2007, 10:36 PM
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The Altima and the Maxima are built on the same platform(FF-L), that is easily demonstrated. The G, Z, and FX are all built on the FM platform, this is also easily found out.
You have to remember most dealer employees no nothing about what they deal with.
You have to remember most dealer employees no nothing about what they deal with.
10-01-2007, 03:46 AM
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Ok, I see where the miscommunication is here. They are NOW, I would agree. But not before the new Altima platform came out (2006 and previous). The Maxima and the Infiniti M were/are on the same platform which is fairly obvious. Now, the Altima and Maxima are nearly identical in every way. I assume the G35 Sedan's will be going through a change shortly?
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10-01-2007, 06:16 AM
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Ok, I see where the miscommunication is here. They are NOW, I would agree. But not before the new Altima platform came out (2006 and previous). The Maxima and the Infiniti M were/are on the same platform which is fairly obvious. Now, the Altima and Maxima are nearly identical in every way. I assume the G35 Sedan's will be going through a change shortly?
FF-L platform
2002-2006 Nissan Altima
2003- Nissan Murano
2004- Nissan Maxima
2004- Nissan Quest
D platform
2007- Nissan Altima
FM platform
2006- Infiniti M
2003- Infiniti G (sedan & coupe)
2003- Infiniti FX
2003- Nissan Z
10-01-2007, 06:38 AM
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Do you understand car architecture? The M rides on a version of the FM platform as well, the G35 has just under gone a major redesign so that's going another 3-4 years with nothing done. Please learn more about what you are saying, your local library has tons of books, and it's free.
FF-L platform
2002-2006 Nissan Altima
2003- Nissan Murano
2004- Nissan Maxima
2004- Nissan Quest
D platform
2007- Nissan Altima
FM platform
2006- Infiniti M
2003- Infiniti G (sedan & coupe)
2003- Infiniti FX
2003- Nissan Z
FF-L platform
2002-2006 Nissan Altima
2003- Nissan Murano
2004- Nissan Maxima
2004- Nissan Quest
D platform
2007- Nissan Altima
FM platform
2006- Infiniti M
2003- Infiniti G (sedan & coupe)
2003- Infiniti FX
2003- Nissan Z
Show some hard proof otherwise and I'll digress.Also, to give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe we are talking about two different things here. FF-L stands for Front Engine Front Wheel Drive - Large where as the FM are the rear-wheel drive platform cars.
* Nissan Skyline/Infiniti G35 V35-series
* Nissan Fuga/Infiniti M Y50-series
* Nissan 350Z Z33-series
* Nissan Stagea M35-series
* Infiniti FX SUV
* Infiniti EX SUV
"This platform debuted with the 2001 V35-series Nissan Skyline, and has been used as the basis of nearly all of Nissan's rear and all-wheel drive applications since its inception. The platform has been revised recently for use in the JDM Nissan Fuga/USDM Infiniti M35/45, being stretched in wheelbase and reinforced for additional torsional rigidity."
I haven't been talking about "platform" nor could I care less, I have been talking simply about chassis setup which obviously the Maxima and M series share. While the G35 sedan and 2006 and earlier Altima share.
So while I agree that the Maxima and Altima were/are on the same "platform", front wheel drive, blah blah who cares. The 2006 Maxima and 2006 Altima did NOT share the same Chassis setup. Cappicce?
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10-01-2007, 07:37 AM
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The lesser the weight of a car the better it is -- this seems to be the popular belief. Correct me if I am wrong. But shouldn't the weight of a car be commensurate with its size and body design in order to be driven comfortably?
For example, if we have a car of the size and body design of a 07 Maxima that weighs only 2000 lbs (as opposed to almost 3600 lbs that it is now), then wouldn't it be almost impossible to drive in a windy highway? (BTW, a Toyota Yaris weighs around 2300 lbs, just for comparison)
So why do people consider weight of a car independent from its size and body design to decide whether the car is good or not?
Is the Maxima having its optimum weight or could it have been lighter without compromising on its drivability?
For example, if we have a car of the size and body design of a 07 Maxima that weighs only 2000 lbs (as opposed to almost 3600 lbs that it is now), then wouldn't it be almost impossible to drive in a windy highway? (BTW, a Toyota Yaris weighs around 2300 lbs, just for comparison)
So why do people consider weight of a car independent from its size and body design to decide whether the car is good or not?
Is the Maxima having its optimum weight or could it have been lighter without compromising on its drivability?
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10-01-2007, 07:39 AM
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You can say whatever you want bro but I guarantee the 2002-2006 ALtima and 2004-2007 Maxima are NOT on the same chassis setup. And you can shove the library up your @$$ Show some hard proof otherwise and I'll digress.
Also, to give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe we are talking about two different things here. FF-L stands for Front Engine Front Wheel Drive - Large where as the FM are the rear-wheel drive platform cars.
* Nissan Skyline/Infiniti G35 V35-series
* Nissan Fuga/Infiniti M Y50-series
* Nissan 350Z Z33-series
* Nissan Stagea M35-series
* Infiniti FX SUV
* Infiniti EX SUV
"This platform debuted with the 2001 V35-series Nissan Skyline, and has been used as the basis of nearly all of Nissan's rear and all-wheel drive applications since its inception. The platform has been revised recently for use in the JDM Nissan Fuga/USDM Infiniti M35/45, being stretched in wheelbase and reinforced for additional torsional rigidity."
I haven't been talking about "platform" nor could I care less, I have been talking simply about chassis setup which obviously the Maxima and M series share. While the G35 sedan and 2006 and earlier Altima share.
So while I agree that the Maxima and Altima were/are on the same "platform", front wheel drive, blah blah who cares. The 2006 Maxima and 2006 Altima did NOT share the same Chassis setup. Cappicce?
Show some hard proof otherwise and I'll digress.Also, to give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe we are talking about two different things here. FF-L stands for Front Engine Front Wheel Drive - Large where as the FM are the rear-wheel drive platform cars.
* Nissan Skyline/Infiniti G35 V35-series
* Nissan Fuga/Infiniti M Y50-series
* Nissan 350Z Z33-series
* Nissan Stagea M35-series
* Infiniti FX SUV
* Infiniti EX SUV
"This platform debuted with the 2001 V35-series Nissan Skyline, and has been used as the basis of nearly all of Nissan's rear and all-wheel drive applications since its inception. The platform has been revised recently for use in the JDM Nissan Fuga/USDM Infiniti M35/45, being stretched in wheelbase and reinforced for additional torsional rigidity."
I haven't been talking about "platform" nor could I care less, I have been talking simply about chassis setup which obviously the Maxima and M series share. While the G35 sedan and 2006 and earlier Altima share.
So while I agree that the Maxima and Altima were/are on the same "platform", front wheel drive, blah blah who cares. The 2006 Maxima and 2006 Altima did NOT share the same Chassis setup. Cappicce?
6th gen Maxima, 04 to 08, are built on the same platform as 02 to 06 Altima. The 7th gen Max will be on the D platform as well, like the 07+ Altima.
Please see link.
And congrats on your new car, Maxracer!
10-01-2007, 09:41 AM
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Platform and chassis are the same thing, and you truly show your ignorance by the use of expletives. FF-L platform is the chassis that Altima and Maxima are built on. The 3.5 Altima and Maxima share all frame and subframe pieces. Same engine, tranny, brakes on the SE-R are identical to Maxima etc... The Infiniti M is a RWD car built on the FM platform, again read chassis. I'm glad that such a noob with unlimited prowess can show me up after selling, working, and modding all the nissans I have. Would you like me to lift the 06 Altima and 06 Maxima up on a lift so you can see the identical parts.
Speaking of libraries, why don't you just go read the service manuals and compare the cars. Oh, that's right, you obviously can't read.
Speaking of libraries, why don't you just go read the service manuals and compare the cars. Oh, that's right, you obviously can't read.
10-01-2007, 10:33 AM
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10-01-2007, 10:48 AM
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These dealers know absolutely nothing. But more surprising to me is that, they don't even care to shut up knowing they don't know anything. Or maybe, they don't know that they don't know anything, which seems to be more plausible.
I went to purchase a Maxima at Universal Nissan, a dealer in Orlando, FL. We weren't decided on whether to buy a SE or SL. An aged salesman called Jeff told us that a fully loaded SE and a fully loaded SL are the same except that the SE will have 18" while SL 17" wheels. Due to some reason, we suspected his words and opened up nissanusa.com in two internet browsers. Configured a 07'SE in one and a 07'SL in the other, fully loaded both of them and then compared each and every feature side by side. Soon we figured out that the SL has more features than the SE that one cannot get even by fully loading a SE. Jeff continued to argue they are the same but we had already decided on purchasing a SL, so never paid heed to his words any more.
Morale of the story: Nissan dealers know nothing, be it sale or service, and I am yet to find an exception.
10-01-2007, 11:30 AM
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These dealers know absolutely nothing. But more surprising to me is that, they don't even care to shut up knowing they don't know anything. Or maybe, they don't know that they don't know anything, which seems to be more plausible.
I went to purchase a Maxima at Universal Nissan, a dealer in Orlando, FL. We weren't decided on whether to buy a SE or SL. An aged salesman called Jeff told us that a fully loaded SE and a fully loaded SL are the same except that the SE will have 18" while SL 17" wheels. Due to some reason, we suspected his words and opened up nissanusa.com in two internet browsers. Configured a 07'SE in one and a 07'SL in the other, fully loaded both of them and then compared each and every feature side by side. Soon we figured out that the SL has more features than the SE that one cannot get even by fully loading a SE. Jeff continued to argue they are the same but we had already decided on purchasing a SL, so never paid heed to his words any more.
Morale of the story: Nissan dealers know nothing, be it sale or service, and I am yet to find an exception.
I went to purchase a Maxima at Universal Nissan, a dealer in Orlando, FL. We weren't decided on whether to buy a SE or SL. An aged salesman called Jeff told us that a fully loaded SE and a fully loaded SL are the same except that the SE will have 18" while SL 17" wheels. Due to some reason, we suspected his words and opened up nissanusa.com in two internet browsers. Configured a 07'SE in one and a 07'SL in the other, fully loaded both of them and then compared each and every feature side by side. Soon we figured out that the SL has more features than the SE that one cannot get even by fully loading a SE. Jeff continued to argue they are the same but we had already decided on purchasing a SL, so never paid heed to his words any more.
Morale of the story: Nissan dealers know nothing, be it sale or service, and I am yet to find an exception.
I fully loaded SE and SL are the same as far as I'm aware. The only difference should be the rim size.
Can you tell me what else is different, please?
10-01-2007, 11:37 AM
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These dealers know absolutely nothing. But more surprising to me is that, they don't even care to shut up knowing they don't know anything. Or maybe, they don't know that they don't know anything, which seems to be more plausible.
I went to purchase a Maxima at Universal Nissan, a dealer in Orlando, FL. We weren't decided on whether to buy a SE or SL. An aged salesman called Jeff told us that a fully loaded SE and a fully loaded SL are the same except that the SE will have 18" while SL 17" wheels. Due to some reason, we suspected his words and opened up nissanusa.com in two internet browsers. Configured a 07'SE in one and a 07'SL in the other, fully loaded both of them and then compared each and every feature side by side. Soon we figured out that the SL has more features than the SE that one cannot get even by fully loading a SE. Jeff continued to argue they are the same but we had already decided on purchasing a SL, so never paid heed to his words any more.
Morale of the story: Nissan dealers know nothing, be it sale or service, and I am yet to find an exception.
I went to purchase a Maxima at Universal Nissan, a dealer in Orlando, FL. We weren't decided on whether to buy a SE or SL. An aged salesman called Jeff told us that a fully loaded SE and a fully loaded SL are the same except that the SE will have 18" while SL 17" wheels. Due to some reason, we suspected his words and opened up nissanusa.com in two internet browsers. Configured a 07'SE in one and a 07'SL in the other, fully loaded both of them and then compared each and every feature side by side. Soon we figured out that the SL has more features than the SE that one cannot get even by fully loading a SE. Jeff continued to argue they are the same but we had already decided on purchasing a SL, so never paid heed to his words any more.
Morale of the story: Nissan dealers know nothing, be it sale or service, and I am yet to find an exception.
Can you tell me what else is different, please?
10-01-2007, 11:55 AM
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I cannot compare a 07 SE and SL any more at nissanusa.com because it has all 08 now. But here is one I remember. If I go for SL, I have to choose either vehicle dynamic control + full size spare or the rear spoiler. I wanted both and could not get it, so settled for VDC. I don't think VDC was offered in 07 SE. There were a few other differences that I don't remember.
Forgot to add, as I mentioned earlier, the weight of SL is less than the SE, even though I didn't know that before buying.
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10-01-2007, 01:14 PM
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Put a 2006 Maxima and 2006 M35/M45 next to each other. Identical cars for all intent & purposes with the one exception that the M series is rear-wheel drive.
Put a 2006 Maxima and a 2006 Altima next to each other, not even close. However they do share the Front Wheel Drive "platform".
Prove to me the above is wrong and I will shut my hole.
10-01-2007, 01:40 PM
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Put a 2006 Maxima and 2006 M35/M45 next to each other. Identical cars for all intent & purposes with the one exception that the M series is rear-wheel drive.
Put a 2006 Maxima and a 2006 Altima next to each other, not even close. However they do share the Front Wheel Drive "platform".
Put a 2006 Maxima and a 2006 Altima next to each other, not even close. However they do share the Front Wheel Drive "platform".
Will you at least explain what it is you consider the same (or perhaps different) between mentioned vehicles that makes you think they're related to each other in the context you provided?
10-01-2007, 01:45 PM
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Doubtful.
Put a 2006 Maxima and 2006 M35/M45 next to each other. Identical cars for all intent & purposes with the one exception that the M series is rear-wheel drive.
Put a 2006 Maxima and a 2006 Altima next to each other, not even close. However they do share the Front Wheel Drive "platform".
Prove to me the above is wrong and I will shut my hole.
Put a 2006 Maxima and 2006 M35/M45 next to each other. Identical cars for all intent & purposes with the one exception that the M series is rear-wheel drive.
Put a 2006 Maxima and a 2006 Altima next to each other, not even close. However they do share the Front Wheel Drive "platform".
Prove to me the above is wrong and I will shut my hole.
Here is a 5-year old article: link
Revised 5:11 P.M. PST Jan. 5, 2002
The new sixth generation Maxima made it's debut at the 2003 North American International Auto Show (a.k.a. the Detroit Auto Show). The new car is based on the FF-L platform also used on the new Altima and Murano. If you recall the FF-L platform has a long wheelbase (great for roomy cabins) and engineered for both front wheel drive and all wheel drive (on the Murano) applications. Unfortunately Nissan didn't make an any announcements about an AWD Maxima yet but we've heard it is still in the works.
The new car was designed at Nissan Technical Center in Japan and combines several elements from recent Nissan vehicles including the Altima, 350Z, and Murano. The swoopy C-pillar is trait shared with the Altima but in this case even more extreme. The side profile is vertically curved similar to a Murano. The tail-lights also wrap around like the Murano and Z. Glancing at the headlights, and fender wells, we notice they are cut like the Z. And the new grille sports a new Nissan trademark twin grille (also seen in the new Quest). You'll no doubt notice some other cues yourself.
Nissan has done a lot of aerodynamic research work in the past years beginning with the FM platform (G35 and Z) and the fruits of their labor show up with a Co-efficient of drag measurement of 0.28 on Maxima SE models with a spoiler. Non-spoiler equipped models make do with a Cd of 0.30 - a still respectable number. What does this mean for you? Probably less wind noise at highway speeds and slightly enhanced fuel consumption.
Like previous Maximas, this new design is certainly polarizing. Either you really like it or hate it at first. Our fist impulse thought is that the car doesn't seem as sporty or sleek as we were looking forward to. Although in the few hours revising this article, we have grown to be found of the quarter rear view. But we'll reserve final judgment until we see the car in person.
The new sixth generation Maxima made it's debut at the 2003 North American International Auto Show (a.k.a. the Detroit Auto Show). The new car is based on the FF-L platform also used on the new Altima and Murano. If you recall the FF-L platform has a long wheelbase (great for roomy cabins) and engineered for both front wheel drive and all wheel drive (on the Murano) applications. Unfortunately Nissan didn't make an any announcements about an AWD Maxima yet but we've heard it is still in the works.
The new car was designed at Nissan Technical Center in Japan and combines several elements from recent Nissan vehicles including the Altima, 350Z, and Murano. The swoopy C-pillar is trait shared with the Altima but in this case even more extreme. The side profile is vertically curved similar to a Murano. The tail-lights also wrap around like the Murano and Z. Glancing at the headlights, and fender wells, we notice they are cut like the Z. And the new grille sports a new Nissan trademark twin grille (also seen in the new Quest). You'll no doubt notice some other cues yourself.
Nissan has done a lot of aerodynamic research work in the past years beginning with the FM platform (G35 and Z) and the fruits of their labor show up with a Co-efficient of drag measurement of 0.28 on Maxima SE models with a spoiler. Non-spoiler equipped models make do with a Cd of 0.30 - a still respectable number. What does this mean for you? Probably less wind noise at highway speeds and slightly enhanced fuel consumption.
Like previous Maximas, this new design is certainly polarizing. Either you really like it or hate it at first. Our fist impulse thought is that the car doesn't seem as sporty or sleek as we were looking forward to. Although in the few hours revising this article, we have grown to be found of the quarter rear view. But we'll reserve final judgment until we see the car in person.
10-01-2007, 01:56 PM
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Doubtful.
Put a 2006 Maxima and 2006 M35/M45 next to each other. Identical cars for all intent & purposes with the one exception that the M series is rear-wheel drive.
Put a 2006 Maxima and a 2006 Altima next to each other, not even close. However they do share the Front Wheel Drive "platform".
Prove to me the above is wrong and I will shut my hole.
Put a 2006 Maxima and 2006 M35/M45 next to each other. Identical cars for all intent & purposes with the one exception that the M series is rear-wheel drive.
Put a 2006 Maxima and a 2006 Altima next to each other, not even close. However they do share the Front Wheel Drive "platform".
Prove to me the above is wrong and I will shut my hole.
The proof has been posted and completely ignored by you.
Just because you think two vehicles look similar does not mean they share the same platform. Read up or shut up.
10-01-2007, 02:57 PM
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Go easy on him, remember, he can't read
Despite the fact that you are to proud to say you are wrong, everyone else agrees because it's a fact. I think the problem is you wanted a M but couldn't afford it so you go around telling everyone the Maxima is the same thing because you can't come to terms with the fact that it's based on a lowely Altima chassis.
Despite the fact that you are to proud to say you are wrong, everyone else agrees because it's a fact. I think the problem is you wanted a M but couldn't afford it so you go around telling everyone the Maxima is the same thing because you can't come to terms with the fact that it's based on a lowely Altima chassis.
10-01-2007, 07:47 PM
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lol this is getting intersting..thread was my farewell to maxima..lol and look at what thread has become. Quiet entertaining.
lol