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10-09-2007, 07:34 PM

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Apexi SAFC Neo

Anyone out there running one of these? With the few mods I have and a few more coming up I'll be in severe need of some AFC action but this little sucker looks a bit intimidating on the install, and I don't think it's an item that many shops around here will touch. Looking for some feedback from you guys if ya have any.

APEXI SAFC NEO

10-09-2007, 09:08 PM

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I hear UTEC is the best one out there. Im shooting for one of those.

10-09-2007, 09:19 PM

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I think this post might do you well.

http://www.nissanclub.com/forums/eng...g-diagram.html

10-10-2007, 04:25 AM

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Is it ok to run the full spec TS flash with an AFC or just flash it to the F spec like for running headers??

10-10-2007, 05:36 AM

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Thanks for the link NmexMax. I couldn't find a complete wiring diagram there but got some good info and did find the Neo for $59 cheaper than it is on the Apexi site.

10-10-2007, 06:33 AM

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DL an FSM for a complete diagram.

www.VQ35DE.com/ESM

10-10-2007, 06:49 AM

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You are the man bro. Thanks. I may take a stab at this myself.

10-10-2007, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DeusExMaxima

I hear UTEC is the best one out there. Im shooting for one of those.

This is what I have been hearing and I don't want to get rid of my E-Manage Blue with a wiring harness already in it!

10-10-2007, 01:57 PM

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apexi vafc2 owns neo

10-10-2007, 02:28 PM

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Quote:

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apexi vafc2 owns neo

Can you provide some additional data on that?

10-10-2007, 02:31 PM

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Can you provide some additional data on that?

Nope, and neither can I.

10-10-2007, 04:09 PM

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Nope, and neither can I.

that means it has to be

if NmexMAX can't provide links!!!

What about E-Manage Blue?

10-11-2007, 06:33 AM

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that means it has to be

if NmexMAX can't provide links!!!

What about E-Manage Blue?

EMB is > than any other AFC. Reason being, it's generous fuel map.

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Can you provide some additional data on that?

The reason I say it's not true is for 2 reasons.

1.) It hasn't been proven to NOT provide 2x2 maps overlayed (read up and you might understand that).
2.) I'm 99.999% sure it has the SAFCII capability to change IN/OUT settings to all cars, and not just Honda. This is important for people doing a larger MAF housing.

So, right now, the VAFCII is not definitively better than theNEO, but it has yet to be proven.

10-11-2007, 06:52 AM

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Thanks for the link NmexMax. I couldn't find a complete wiring diagram there but got some good info and did find the Neo for $59 cheaper than it is on the Apexi site.

eBay motors... They run just under $300 including shiping.
Brand New in Box... I was considering getting one myself...

10-11-2007, 06:54 AM

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FYI they are $299 here also. http://www.optionimports.com/aafcneofuco.html

10-11-2007, 07:20 AM

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Hey NmexMax, let me know what your schedule looks like so I can fly you down to ATL and install this bad boy for me.

10-11-2007, 10:03 PM

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It's really not that hard though. I'll have to find the diagram, but even with ONLY the FSM, you should do just fine.

I wouldn't deem it 100% necessary right now, since you don't have an AFR readout to justify it. Our car's are notorious for not having a very HP friendly AFR, but, lately, since 05's, you have WBO2's stock so

10-12-2007, 09:35 AM

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Ok, can you treat me like a 5th grader and explain AFR and WB02's??

10-12-2007, 10:50 AM

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AFR = Air Fuel Ratio WBO2s= Wide Band oxygen sensors.

VAFCII is only for Honda's NOT our cars. I was told this twice by Apexi over the phone.
NEOcontains both the SAFC and VAFC controls. The SAFCII is what works on our cars, I have one on now.

So far as I know, no one has successfully installed a NEO on a 6th gen. (Please correct me if I am wrong)

10-12-2007, 11:35 AM

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VAFCII is only for Honda's NOT our cars.

It will still work and have 2x(24 points) as many tuning points as the SAFCII.

My point is being overshadowed by items that have already been covered numerous amount of times now because no one here knows what I'm talking about.

10-12-2007, 12:26 PM

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VAFCII is only for Honda's NOT our cars. I was told this twice by Apexi over the phone.

This has been proven wrong time and time again by many people here and even some Alti guys.

10-12-2007, 12:29 PM

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When I got dyno'd the guy said the same thing, that the vafc2 is not for my car...

10-12-2007, 12:32 PM

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When I got dyno'd the guy said the same thing, that the vafc2 is not for my car...

It worked though didn't it?

10-12-2007, 12:43 PM

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The SAFCII has been discontinued so now it's gotta be the NEO if you go with Apexi. And it appears the VAFCII's are going too. So moot point basically. Anyways, NmexMAX I'm listening to ya buddy!

http://www.alamomotorsports.com/apexi/safc.html#safcneo

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10-12-2007, 12:47 PM

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This is kind of interesting. Says it replaces the factory ECU, anyone heard of it or using it?

Power FC
The Power FC proudly stands as A'PEXi's answer to the constraints and limitations associated with most piggy-back style fuel controllers. The Power FC is a complete, stand alone, total engine management system capable of handling virtually anything thrown in its path. From multiple point fuel and ignition control to VTEC engagement (Honda applications) and boost settings, the Power FC is capable of accommodating even the most demanding performance enthusiasts.

http://www.apexi-usa.com/product_ele...=197&pageNum=1

10-12-2007, 12:50 PM

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Let's not get ahead of ourselves now.

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10-12-2007, 01:29 PM

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whats the word on a hks f-con engine management, is just wondering on this product how well it work pros/cons thanks

10-12-2007, 01:34 PM

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whats the word on a hks f-con engine management, is just wondering on this product how well it work pros/cons thanks

Do you know anything about stand alone engine management? The time/effort/money involved? Any idea how to tune it?

Standaolone engine management isn't for the faint of heart. My guess is that the majority of you guys bought the car for driving around reasons, not for a weekend/warrior/trackstar.

I would look into an advanced piggyback such as the UTEC or EMU. For those semi faint hearted, but stillw anting a little more control, there's the AFC.