WOW! That's a great price. Not terribly too much more than a TS reflash. If someone gets this PLEASE let us know!!

 

Why do you keep asking this question? We all know that there is a member on here with this, it's plug and play, it works. I've said it over and over.

 

Ok, I hadn't seen that before. Some of us don't have 22k+ posts Nmex and scour the forums such as you. Ok but in your honest opinion, what would be a better purchase. The TS Reflash or the UTEC?

 

Utec by far. There really is no comparison. Utec allows you to do many, many things.

Joshua

 

(Nietszche, sp? Has it)

It's called self education and initiative, post count aside, there are people here that have been here for much less time than me and have WAY less posts and know more, so don't use that as an excuse.

If you would have actually read through that Osiris thread and not ***** about it being OT, you would known this:
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...8&postcount=41

 

Realistically, you would also want to get the UTEC Remote Map Selector Switch (UTEC-Switch) so you could switch between maps on the fly without having to go to the unit in-dash itself correct? So $79.99 on top of the $800 with ship will bring you around $900 or so total. I wish there were more folks than 1 who had and were running this and could provide some additional real-world experience, as this certainly seems like an awesome option for us.

 

Unless you're planning to seriously mod your Max, not just bolt-ons, UTEC is an over kill. TS/piggyback is a more viable option for most of us.

 

Not cost effective if you buy a TS & piggyback (AFC)

 

What else do we have?? I know in a way it's redundant but if you continues to add mods you wouldn't have to go back for a reflash.

 

No matter the mods, IMO, there's no reason to go back for a reflash. So IMO, that theory is .

You cannot forget you have Emange and UTEC as options.

 

Yeah I see by the time you buy the TS and an SAFC you got your UTEC or EMU. The UTEC is what I really want.

 

And you cannot forget that you need a tune after that, which equates to dyno time.

I have a SAFCII and a TS F-spec, believe me if I had the chance to do it in this say and age, I would have gone another route.

 

You got thinking now about which tuning device to get. The only thing is only a few that I know of that can tune a UTEC in my case because this is what I really want. You could get the same tune from a UTEC/EMU as the TS flash but for those of us that cant get to Tadashi we could get even better results.

 

So what route would you most likely choose now Nmex if you had to do it all over again?

 

UTEC. . . . . .Albeit more difficult to install than yours, it's not impossible and has been done on an A33B ECU, so I'm still considering this option at the moment.

 

Let me say again, there really is no comparison. The Utec is the most versatile of any piggyback AND can act as a standalone. It does everything. Why are we having this discussion again and again in this thread? Either go with the SAFC or the Utec. I will again say a reflash is a waste of money. Buy a Utec and build your own flash via your own dyno results and via your own personal tuning decisions.

Joshua

 

If you are FI'd or N2O, then I'd agree that UTEC is the best option; playing w/ boost level, fuel level, injectors size, etc. But if you're NA then you can go with piggyback or reflash, rather than UTEC. A reflash isn't a waste of money if you're satisfied w/ your bolt-on mods and can get a good tune.

However, if you go w/ reflash then add mods that effect fuel or airflow then you would need another reflash, or a piggyback and dyno time. If you only need to retune once or twice w/ reflash at another $150 each time, it's still somewhat more cost-effective than paying for piggyback and dyno time or UTEC and dyno.

 

I wouldn't consider it a waste of money just another alternative to the UTEC for those who cant shell out $900. I think the TS flash work fairly well for my car not actually have been there for them to tune. That may be all some people are looking for.

 

I have played with my intake set-up dramatically (not only different intakes but intake manifold modifications AND different injectors) and my AFR stays the same each and everytime w/TS.



Also, piggyback + dyno time (2x session @90$)= 380$. So, that's still less than 535$ for the TS reflash, hell, you even have a couple more tuning sessions if you want.

 

Yes, but you already have headers prior to those mods, which really effect the airflow. If you ever change your exhaust setup, the AFR might be effected. Like when you went with larger MAF.



I meant TS plus extra tunes instead of TS w/ piggybacks and extra tunes. SAFC/VAFC/NEO won't do what a reflash will initially.

 

I think intake manifold/injector swaps are actually quite significant. I also have changed my exhaust (not including headers, but everything else back) set-up at least 4x's since coming to my current set-up. Nothing changed except a little less flow up top, but TS compensated to keep the AFR consistent. The LRMAF altered the AFR, BUT, read this: HINT, pay attention to the AFR values:
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...80&postcount=1

So, in conclusion, using the SAFC @ 0% correction w/ LARMAF, I was still @ 13.0, again backing my theory w/data.
That's not what I understood, but ok. Even then, they only thing that they would tune when sent back after said mods would be AFR since they cannot figure out(or have the time) to add more timing. So, in the end, an AFC could do it for less, and you can tune it the way you want. I still don't think they know how much to compensate AFR for even if you added headers, the MAF sees what it sees so it does what it does with respect to what it sees, nothing more, nothing less.

 

If that's the case, then $535 for a TS tune is a better deal for additional fixes that the piggybacks can't do.

 

Exactly.

Unless you’re like me and want to advance timing even further than the TS and can’t afford the downtime of installing a UTEC/EMU.

BUT, that, I think, is another subject.

 

Then we're back to whether or not TS pushed A34 ECU to it's limit, and can UTEC do more without damaging the engine, etc.

 

I was thinking about that. I think the UTEC could fine the areas where TS didnt do so well and to further tune for mods down the road. I'm still kind of torn between having a piggyback(SAFC) and TS or UTEC and TS. I think who ever tunes the VQ will have to know it's limits not to cause damage.

 

(I have to admit to you all I am silently partial to the Utec as my 4AT has no Technosquare reflash)

Joshua

 

Of course it can do more. I still need definitive proof as to why the vehicle acted as it did, and until we have that proof, UTEC will continue to reign. Also, the UTEC can stand as a stand alone too, so well, then the ECU will have no said limit.

As a side note for the TS/AFC:
I’ve managed to advance my timing another 2-3* from what TS did and I’m not in limp mode. By doing this, my AFR is very aggressive, again, no limp mode here.

I haven’t read as much about it as I should have but I still haven’t seen anyone alter CVTC curves with the UTEC. You would have to be pretty to damage it NA.

 

I think there will be alot of help for those wanting to use the UTEC with all the info floating around on my350z.com. I just found out about the stand alone option too. that's pretty cool.

 

FYI been following this thread. The MRC Motorsports rep replied to my question about maxima's but I didn't exactly get a super warm fuzzy from his response. UTEC Re-Tuned

 

So it isn't just a plug and play deal. It sounds like they need to crack each variation of our ECU's like TS does.

 

It is plug and play. They don't need to "crack" the ECU. 6th Gen Max will work as THERE IS A MEMBER WITH THIS ON THE CAR. Older gen's COULD work but no one knows yet - this is what that comment was referring to. Our ECU is closely related to the Z thus we can use the Utec.

Also, I am reading from people far more learned than I that (at least in the case of the NEO) the Ecu will start to override the settings.

This is forum is generally a bad place to get technical information in. Most 6th genners have not even begun to tap the engine in the way the 5th gen forum/350z owners have. I would suggest that we all go read in other places before posting misinformation. I myself have posted some because I get ahead of myself occasionally.

In my opinion, although the Utec is expensive, it will grow with your mods - a reflash won't. Although it is geared with FI in mind, it can do wonders with a N/A engine as well - if not for any other reason than it is so damn functioning in every way. If you plan on doing a couple simple bolt ons than I would go with a reflash. Otherwise I would go Utec if you were planning on playing snuggle with your car for a long period of time.

Joshua

 

Gotta love this guy^^^^

I have to quote this, again:
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...7&postcount=77

 

I am also keeping my eye on Osiris (Pjctmax posted a thread about this earlier this month) as it is much cheaper than Utec and is approaching the same ultimate tuning potential. It allows you to download maps eliminating the need for tuning (which is foolish, in my opinion, however they are supposedly making it possible in the near future to be tuned). Again, not many in the Z world have done this yet so it's impossible to even conjecture how it will work with the 6th Gen.

I myself am patiently waiting for this to come to fruition - then I will be utilizing Utec to its ultimate potential...

Joshua

 

Haha, no sir, I to you

Joshua

 

Which part of this ^^^ statement did you not understand? If it's plug and play, it should work on ALL ECUs. But I'll lt him answer Shawndon's question.

 

You guys are too paranoid. It doesn't matter, whoever gets the UTEC, they will prosper.

I would link to the AM forum where it is discussed in detail, but I think I've done my share to help the a34 crowd for at least a couple of weeks.

 

The reason I said that is because UTEC is similar to Techtom, map tracer/editor, etc. And that's what TS uses.

Thanks for stopping by...

 

Just want to throw this back out there and ask if anyone is actually making progress with it in the Houston area? http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=542294

I also have my EB w/harness f/s d00ds
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=543119

 

you should be able to sell quick............(wish i could buy it...)

 

Maybe the part where it hasn't been installed on all year Maxima's thus we're not sure about older ECU's. It is built for the Z. Our ECU is the same as the Z. The A33 is similar to our ECU but not the same. Hence his statement. It is not the same as the SAFC - it does not plug and play on every car under the sun. It is built for the Z. No wire's needed, you plug it in and play with it. What more can I say about this topic?

I don't really understand why you keep arguing, but I'm just going to let you do that from this point forward. I understand you are backing the reflash and thats fine. Like I said, I'll agree that the reflash has certain pro's that simply don't match what I want to do with the car.

I will say this one more time, and then I'm done. The Utec will work on our cars.

Joshua