weird engine whine noise
#41
My car is in the shop, I will update you and see what they say. They are also trying to look at that knocking sound I have during driving in bumps and after i put it in park.
The guy warned me that they might not be able to duplicate the whisle noise being that it is "too specific" (kind of a ***** response if you ask me) but we'll see what they say.
But I know the knocking sound is definitely there, if they come back with that "we couldn't duplicate the noise" crap, I am gonna be Pee O-ed
The guy warned me that they might not be able to duplicate the whisle noise being that it is "too specific" (kind of a ***** response if you ask me) but we'll see what they say.
But I know the knocking sound is definitely there, if they come back with that "we couldn't duplicate the noise" crap, I am gonna be Pee O-ed
#42
ascedantmax...i watched your video but can't really make out the sound for sure.
Does it sound like a whistling sound?
My 06 Max with 58K is making like a very faint bird chirping/whisteling sound when I am in 2nd gear right before it goes to 3rd. The more I rev, the more I hear it. It is not loud at all in the cabin, BUT i can hear it....
Sooo, can any car repair shops check tensioners?
Does it sound like a whistling sound?
My 06 Max with 58K is making like a very faint bird chirping/whisteling sound when I am in 2nd gear right before it goes to 3rd. The more I rev, the more I hear it. It is not loud at all in the cabin, BUT i can hear it....
Sooo, can any car repair shops check tensioners?
my car been out of the shop for almost a week now. the noise is completely gone.
#43
The clanking sound on my other video was due to bad motor mounts indeed. A whopping 375 bucks! Thank god I got the "gold" coverage with Fidelity. Had I gone with the silver, that would not be covered. I already dropped 6 bills on shocks and struts last week.
#44
If my tensioner go bad, it better go bad before 75k, that's when my warranty runs out. but it does cover it thank god.
#45
Mine was whistling when cold at idle, it was the belts tensionner pulley or something, was covered under warranty. They changed the belts too, and they charged me half the labor for that (retarded cause they had to take em out for the pulley that was covered, anyway).
Jeez are we all gfoing to get that chain problem? How many miles ?
Jeez are we all gfoing to get that chain problem? How many miles ?
#47
here's the two vids i just shot. the first link is startup and idle. the 2nd one is with some revs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHYUiz-kA2E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo9vVgUfpxs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHYUiz-kA2E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo9vVgUfpxs
It took my guys about 11 hours as the engine came out and coolant, oil, freon and power steering fluid had to be drained prior (mine is a 6 speed btw), they also had been kind enough to replace the drive belts while the engine was out (I paid that, $42.00). And of course everything had to be refilled and bled including evacuating and recharging the AC system after it was reinstalled. From what I have been told the new parts have been redesigned to prevent a reaccurence.
And yea the new tensioner caps are of a different material and i beleive the camshaft chains are as well but not 100% on this.
Typically for retail customer pay work we charge whatever warranty time is times 1.5 so in your case they should be quoting you 6.6x1.5= 9.9 hours approximately. So you figure 9.9 hours times whatever they charge per hour. We charge $150/hr of labor (SF Bay Area) so 9.9x150= $1485 just in labor is what we would charge. Plus about 100-200 in parts and fluids.
19 hours of labor seems very high to me. The only thing i can think of is either the service advisor is just taking a rough estimate and/or the advisor asked a tech what he thought would be a fair amount of time and being as these jobs really suck they probably gave some rediculous time like 19 hours lol. Thats prob somethin i would do haha.
little update...
car is slowly being worked on. the two old tensioners were replaced today. i snapped a couple of pics. the plastic was worn all the way down to the piston. there's no marks on the piston themselves from the chain rubbing on it. i guess it was only pretty recent that it went metal-to-metal.
the main tensioner will be replaced tomorrow.
car is slowly being worked on. the two old tensioners were replaced today. i snapped a couple of pics. the plastic was worn all the way down to the piston. there's no marks on the piston themselves from the chain rubbing on it. i guess it was only pretty recent that it went metal-to-metal.
the main tensioner will be replaced tomorrow.
Ok so the 60K warrenty good till the car reaches 60K or is it 60K or so many years what ever comes first? i only have 42K now my 04? I also have the 100K powertrain warrenty that came with the car i have that in writing straight from nissan..also is this covered under
powertrain?
powertrain?
Last edited by turbizzy; 12-12-2008 at 11:52 PM.
#48
here's the two vids i just shot. the first link is startup and idle. the 2nd one is with some revs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHYUiz-kA2E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo9vVgUfpxs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHYUiz-kA2E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo9vVgUfpxs
Can u here this whine during exceleration? or just idle and reving the motor?
#49
#50
Wow 19 hours if kinduv a jip. Warranty time is only 6.6 hours HOWEVER this job can be very intensive if your new at it and also 6.6 hours warranty time is total BS in the tech's point of view. During recent Nissan training i was hearing the fastest time for this job was around 8 hours. Theres alot of cleaning and envolved and meticulous work involved.
Typically for retail customer pay work we charge whatever warranty time is times 1.5 so in your case they should be quoting you 6.6x1.5= 9.9 hours approximately. So you figure 9.9 hours times whatever they charge per hour. We charge $150/hr of labor (SF Bay Area) so 9.9x150= $1485 just in labor is what we would charge. Plus about 100-200 in parts and fluids.
19 hours of labor seems very high to me. The only thing i can think of is either the service advisor is just taking a rough estimate and/or the advisor asked a tech what he thought would be a fair amount of time and being as these jobs really suck they probably gave some rediculous time like 19 hours lol. Thats prob somethin i would do haha.
Typically for retail customer pay work we charge whatever warranty time is times 1.5 so in your case they should be quoting you 6.6x1.5= 9.9 hours approximately. So you figure 9.9 hours times whatever they charge per hour. We charge $150/hr of labor (SF Bay Area) so 9.9x150= $1485 just in labor is what we would charge. Plus about 100-200 in parts and fluids.
19 hours of labor seems very high to me. The only thing i can think of is either the service advisor is just taking a rough estimate and/or the advisor asked a tech what he thought would be a fair amount of time and being as these jobs really suck they probably gave some rediculous time like 19 hours lol. Thats prob somethin i would do haha.
what they did was remove the passenger side motor mount and the timing chain side plate. front valve cover was removed as well to get to the front tensioner. as for the rear they took off the upper intake manifold and the rear valve cover to get to that back tenionser. then reinstalled everything once the new tensioners were in place.
#51
#52
that's the thing though, it could be wearing down close to the metal piston and you won't even know it. then when it does get down to metal, you'll hear that annoying whine. hopefully yours won't wear out for a long long time.
#53
Well i have a 100K or till 20011 whatever comes first if it goes bad im covered also why is it that some of are nit having this issue
#54
Turbizzy, not a tech anymore, I worked at a Nissan dealer nights while I was in the Coast Guard for extra scratch years ago and I was a mechanic (Machinery Technician) in Coast Guard lingo for twenty three years.
The noise starts under load (accelerating) as a faint whine like a turbo or alternator whine, as time goes by it gets progressively louder and will eventually be heard at idle and under no load.
The noise starts under load (accelerating) as a faint whine like a turbo or alternator whine, as time goes by it gets progressively louder and will eventually be heard at idle and under no load.
#56
The link above that explains this issue...do I have to register somewhere to open them? They all have a locked icon beside them.
#58
#59
I have another rquest can post a youtub clip when you have time of how your car sound now when you rev the engine i really need to determine if
im having the same issue because i can here what my be the same noise
or just the engine reving not sure because my engine is smooth no rattling
noise like your first vid on that side no clicking at startup but i want to be sure
Thanks
Last edited by Lovemycar; 12-14-2008 at 10:05 AM.
#60
Lovemycar, its not the rattly or clicking sound in the vid, those are normal (lol), the tensioner noise is the whine sound when you rev it. In fact, he's goosin the throttle kinda hard in those vids, which isn't necessary. Only giving it a little throttle to rev it to say like 3k rpms you should be able to hear it.
Whine kinda sounds like a really high pitched power steering pump sound, like when it runs out of fluid.
Whine kinda sounds like a really high pitched power steering pump sound, like when it runs out of fluid.
#61
#62
I have another rquest can post a youtub clip when you have time of how your car sound now when you rev the engine i really need to determine if
im having the same issue because i can here what my be the same noise
or just the engine reving not sure because my engine is smooth no rattling
noise like your first vid on that side no clicking at startup but i want to be sure
Thanks
im having the same issue because i can here what my be the same noise
or just the engine reving not sure because my engine is smooth no rattling
noise like your first vid on that side no clicking at startup but i want to be sure
Thanks
and yeah i gave it a bit of gas in that vid haha. i think revs were up to 4k or so. but it's definately noticable when the engine is at idle, and increases with engine speed.
#63
Alright, here's the replacement parts information as requested by some of you fellas. I typed it into Excel for easier viewing. This is what Nissan gave me when I took the car in for a diagnostic:
#66
Xterra Owner -- please help!
Hey guys -- I'm sorry to break into your forum as I don't have a Maxima, but I do have an 05 Xterra with the VQ40. I just started getting the whine at about 2500 RPMs about two weeks ago. You still can't hear it at idle, but it is definately there when accelerating. Anyway, my problem is that I'm stationed in Korea (with no Japanese company dealerships!), and therefore I can not have the car seen until May when I send it home. Turbizzy, or any other techs here, do you think I can stretch it for another 3000 miles or so? My current mileage is less than 34,000, and I already have this problem. If the chain were to go, would the repair still be covered if I "had no idea there was a problem?" I really have no choice, as I'm trapped over here with no alternative but handing my car over to a machanic whose only tool is a hammer.
What do you think?
What do you think?
#67
The way i see it you should be fine. Im pretty sure the chain won't let go, its tough. More than likely the piston in the tensioner will wear out before the chain breaks. You have until 2010 or 60k mile on your powertrain warranty so youll be ok.
#68
Great, now i'm convinced i have this issue too.
Does the sound kinda sound like what an alternator hum in a poorly grounded sound setup? I kept hearing this whine lately and thought something came undone from the carpc or something but even killing the radio all together i still hear it, just under acceleration.
Does the sound kinda sound like what an alternator hum in a poorly grounded sound setup? I kept hearing this whine lately and thought something came undone from the carpc or something but even killing the radio all together i still hear it, just under acceleration.
#69
That is exactly what it sounds like or a turbo whine, after a couple thousand miles it will grow louder and be heard all the time. What folks need to understand it's not if your car will do this it's a matter of when, it is a badly designed part and it will fail. Everyone needs to file a complaint with these guys -> http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/ If the receive enough complaints they may force Nissan to cover out of warranty and reimburse folks who paid out of pocket.
#70
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/ I went here and did a full text search on 2004 Maxima's, WOW! I hope you guys with automatic transmissions carry cab money with you. It looks like complaints on the Goodyear RSA's contributed to the recall, it may work as well with the cam chain tensioner.
#71
Hey guys -- I'm sorry to break into your forum as I don't have a Maxima, but I do have an 05 Xterra with the VQ40. I just started getting the whine at about 2500 RPMs about two weeks ago. You still can't hear it at idle, but it is definately there when accelerating. Anyway, my problem is that I'm stationed in Korea (with no Japanese company dealerships!), and therefore I can not have the car seen until May when I send it home. Turbizzy, or any other techs here, do you think I can stretch it for another 3000 miles or so? My current mileage is less than 34,000, and I already have this problem. If the chain were to go, would the repair still be covered if I "had no idea there was a problem?" I really have no choice, as I'm trapped over here with no alternative but handing my car over to a machanic whose only tool is a hammer.
What do you think?
What do you think?
#72
here's the two vids i just shot. the first link is startup and idle. the 2nd one is with some revs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHYUiz-kA2E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo9vVgUfpxs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHYUiz-kA2E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo9vVgUfpxs
What's that clicky/rattling noise when you crank the engine in video 1? My '06 SE with 17,500 miles has the same noise too when i give it lil' gas. I'll let the dealer know coz i got an appt for a failed lumber support next Monday.
#73
Thats the main timing chain rattling upon startup do to leakdown of the main timing chain tensioner oil supply. Many things can cause this such as low engine oil level, aftermarket oil filters, dirty oil passages, weak tensioner, internal oil passage leak through timing cover and just normal wear. Its nothing really to worry about PeaMax, i think just about everyone's car does it lol.
Just FYI guys, have a 2005 Frontier with rougly 34k miles in the shop right now and im barely starting to hear the whine noise. I ordered the parts but they're on national back order for some reason. It might be a few days before i get the parts.
Just FYI guys, have a 2005 Frontier with rougly 34k miles in the shop right now and im barely starting to hear the whine noise. I ordered the parts but they're on national back order for some reason. It might be a few days before i get the parts.
#75
Thats the main timing chain rattling upon startup do to leakdown of the main timing chain tensioner oil supply. Many things can cause this such as low engine oil level, aftermarket oil filters, dirty oil passages, weak tensioner, internal oil passage leak through timing cover and just normal wear. Its nothing really to worry about PeaMax, i think just about everyone's car does it lol.
Just FYI guys, have a 2005 Frontier with rougly 34k miles in the shop right now and im barely starting to hear the whine noise. I ordered the parts but they're on national back order for some reason. It might be a few days before i get the parts.
Just FYI guys, have a 2005 Frontier with rougly 34k miles in the shop right now and im barely starting to hear the whine noise. I ordered the parts but they're on national back order for some reason. It might be a few days before i get the parts.
#77
Whine Noise
I called the dealership today about the whining noise and he told me that there isnt a recall or any problem that he knows of. I asked if this would be a problem with the car in the future and he did not have a good answer. Need the experts here to chime in on this. Talon 05
#78
Noticed whining
I bought a 2005 SL with 37k miles about 5 months ago. I started noticing the whining noise shortly after. This was my first time being in a maxima for an extended period of time and the noise was so faint that I thought it was just the way the engine was built. Anyway, I began to hear the noise while idling and no longer just on acceleration.
Luckily, I found this message board and I now have an idea of what is going on with my ride.
I dropped my car of at the shop today, so hopefully it will get taken care of!!
Thanks for the posts!!
Luckily, I found this message board and I now have an idea of what is going on with my ride.
I dropped my car of at the shop today, so hopefully it will get taken care of!!
Thanks for the posts!!
#79
Glad to help. And Talon, its not a recall its a bulletin meaning its not mandatory. It may be possible some dealers haven't dealt with this yet, maybe some of the smaller dealers. Just show them the bulletin number and there you go.