Have any of you track guys ever gone toe to toe with an subaru wrx sti (straight line of coarse) if so share your experiences.

this was sparked by a guy who claims he has a "6th gen sti killer." just wanna know if there are others and with what mods.

last week at the track a stock 2010 sti and i went at it. He gained 2 car lengths off the line but i stopped the lead and closed in by 1 car at the end of the quarter. so i know its very likely the full bolt on and tuned guys have this covered.

please no illegal racing stories. you will be flagged and/or banned.

thanks.

5.5 gen topics are welcomed as long as they don't get too out of hand. friendly debates please. be mature.

 

I'm faster then a 6th gen and a wrx

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But not on water cuz 5th/5.5 gens aren't boats

 

-_- not funny. My Max didn't come with oars. Only pontoons.

 

Wow. Clashez made a funny.

A fully bolted 5.5 might outrun an STi. I don't know about 6th gens.

I'll be leaving now before the 10-more-horsepower nuthuggers come in here and start flaming me for that comment.

 

a stock auto 6th gen, or a lighty modded auto ( intake, exhaust, spacers, bop) wil not beat and sti or even come close.... sti's run 13 seconds i can only name 3 6th gens in the 13s and im one (6spd) so the sti driver didnt launch it in ur race bro...... a 6th gen will never be able to compete unless u have nos and running a 100 shot.. bottom line

 

So what time did you run at the track, and what was his time...

 

I knew he would come in and say something...

 

it isn't the 10 more HP, its the more efficient drive train and gear ratios that make the 6th gen faster. there is more to acceleration than HP:weight judging a cars performance based off of only those two variables is a newb move.

I have never been outrun by a 5.5, not when i was stock and definitely not as i am df

stock to stock auto to auto and 6 speed to 6speed the 6th>5.5 every time.

i am still willing to put my words to action and vid document the event, if anyone with a 5.5 wants to prove me wrong, hook up with me at tomorrows meet. PM me for contact info and ill see ya there

 

How many have you came across....

 

so far? 4.. 1 automatic and 3 manual. when i was stock one of them came very close to taking me we were neck and neck for the most part. He was also stock except for CAI and mufflers.

 

Do those people even know they were racing

 

What makes the 6th gen's tranny "more efficient" than the 5.5's? Do you have outstanding proof (stock dyno comparisons/blueprints/etc.) that show a more efficient design to the 6th gen's transmission?

The only apparent advantage the 6th gen 6MT has is that it has a shorter gear set. Reading up, this is what I've found:

Manual
2002-2003- 3.812
2004-2006 - 4.133


Automatic
All (2000-2002) - 3.789
2003 - 3.812
2004 RE4F04B - 3.789
2004 RE5F22A - 2.440
2005 9J500 - 2.269

My question is, do you have a 6MT or a 4/5AT? Because if you have an automatic, there is zero advantage in gearing, as the drive ratios show.

Welcome to the 6th gen forum.

You've apparently never lined up someone who can drive. I've seen plenty of 6th gens get walked on by 5.5s.

Too bad I live too far away.

 

I do not have proof, but with the gas prices problem and manufactures in the MPG efficiency race with each other in their new cars the place to start is their gearing and drive train efficiency and then with the engine. there is a reason why crank HP is NEVER the same as WHP. its energy is lost through all the mechanical parts. the best way to get more HP from the crank to the wheels is a more efficient path. there is your better mpg and there is your faster acceleration. this alone is more significant than any HP:Weight calculations when the differences are insignificant (10hp)

Now the 6th gen stock is heavier by 235 lbs curb weight to a 3.5 5th gen. but this is mainly do to its 5x (4 on the car 1 full rim plus tire spare) 58lbs wheels, not the chassis. slap on some new light weight shoes and you eliminate the only downfall against the 5.5. do a few more non-invasive weight reductions and you easily have a 6th gen lighter than a 5.5.

@ clasherz 3 of them yes, we started from a dead stop many times, wasn't just one race. the fourth guy actually the second time i went heads up) was from a roll. there was one time that we were neck and neck with no clear winner but that was because i spun too much off the line.

as my car stands now i am lighter than a stock 5.5. mix that with a newer system and shorter gear ratio and a stock 5.5 won't out run me. I am really down for a friendly race. I am going to set up a track day for the SoCal people sometime in the next month or so. Ill take lot of videos and stuff. If you are a 5.5 and live in SoCal please come out to make this meet!!


btw I have the 5AT. To be honest i think the one guy with the 6-speed i raced who had close to full bolt ons could beat me if he drove better. He wasn't bad at all, pretty good if you ask me, but a better drive probably could have beat me. Definitely to 60, maybe to 100. but again, i've been beat by measly early 90's civics that the owner spent too much money on. not a fair comparison unless you have the same mods. I am basing my conclusion on the guys that were semi-stock while i was bone stock.

 

I am hoping your right. I was really disappointed because i love STI's they were my favorite car for a very long time. He got off the line incredibly fast tho, its one of the better launches that i've seen. He probably didn't carry the boost throughout the rest of the race good enough. I didn't see him miss a gear or anything as i was fixated on his rear bumper the whole time.

 

13.3 thats what a lighty modded sti with a decent drive runs......

 

that is about a second faster than me.

but i don't know if that is very accurate. that seems really fast for an sti. i know thats what it says on 0-60 times.com but it also says: 2004 Nissan 350Z 0-60 mph 5.2 Quarter mile 13.6... we all know thats a bunch of bull..

this sounds more like it: 2011 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Limited Edition Sedan 0-60 mph 5.2 Quarter Mile 13.7 which resembles my experience very well.

the dudes sti was bone stock. He bought it last month still had dealer stickers on it. it looked like a 2010-2011 sti.

 

I don't think im going to this meet but for sure going to the track when they have it there or set up a date....might be going next month to CA Speedway if time persist, and get my parts back installed....

 

wait..wait... your tell me your car is a 14sec car...lol i spank tracked low 14 to high 13 sec cars all the time lol

 

my point is there is no way ur 14 sec maxima was that close to a 13 sec sti............ are cars are not fast, they were never ment to be fast, comepared to a turbo charge 4wd racing machine............. it took me alot to get my car to run what it does, stis are no joke, they are very fast, youd have a better time racing a EVO then a sti

 

well im glad im not faster than an sti, i love those cars, would never own one but love to drive them. i only have a few bolt ons and no tune.

im getting a zex kit and osirus uprev next month!! woo!! but right now, i don't expect my max to get into the 13's. Maybe on a cold day and the wind on my a$$ lol

still debating whether i should just get a dyno tune or go with a osirus and uprev. gunna cost about the same i think.

 

awesome! what mods do you have?

 

yeah, ill get in touch with Alex and see if he wants to make an official SCM meet out of it. I did a little asking around and a few people want to do it, so its just a matter of getting off our a$$'s and doing it.

 

Honestly what in the ****? Will somebody lock this stupid ****. 6th gens are slow, for that matter maximas are slow. A WRX is slow but the maxima is slower. The end. Stop arguing and making these stupid threads.