Hey, im am installing my CXJ thermal spacers and going to a shop to get a dyno tune this weekend. I won't be using any piggy backs, Im getting my ecu reflashed.

my questions are:

who else has done this?

how do you like it? what kinda butt dyno gains did you get?

am i going to lose fuel economy?

what should i expect to gain in HP/Torque numbers?

Should I get her tuned with my cutout open or closed? (a little worried about the effects of tuning with it open since i drive 90% of the time with it closed)

would getting headers right now make a large difference in the effectiveness of the tune? or is waiting not that big a deal? (i ask because i've heard the more mods you have the more gains you will see with a tune)

the engine mods i have are SRI, BOP, Thermal Spacers, Y-Pipe, and 3" cat back exhaust w/cutout.

Thanks!

 

You have to have some type of Piggyback...to Dyno Tune..they just cant do it without one...

 

They can if they have osiris.

 

??????

i asked the dude if i needed to grab a piggyback and he said no, that he's reflashed many 6th gens. all i gotta do is come with my car..

please explain

 

Your either have to run a piggy back like a Apexi SAFC or run the Uprev to turn our cars. IIRC just for the Uprev license is around $300 plus you have to pay for the dyno runs. A used SAFC will run you around $125-$200 plus the dyno time. I recommend getting all your bolt-ons then tunning it. I'm hoping to getting mine tuned next year after I install my Cattman headers and my nitrous kit, cause I'll be done with all my boltons

 

i look forward to your results

 

I say get all the bolt on's you can, it can only help. I an in for results either way

 

damn, so im wondering if the guy meant he will supply me with a piggy back when he said all i gotta do is come with my car.

if i need to start looking asap for the right piggyback what should i get then.. apexi?

please explain this to me. I've seen many shops plug their lap tops into a car, do some dyno runs, adjust the parameters and reprogram the ecu no external device needed

technosquare does this!! why can't a licensed performance shop do it? the main chunk of money is going towards buying the rights and credits to reflash the ecu?

are you guys sure i need to buy a piggyback? because its your word against the dyno guy, which means someone doesn't now what they are talking about. I would really like to know which it is, because if its the dyno guy i don't want to take my car to him.

He is strictly Nissan/infinity. He doesn't tune anything else.

 

Ask the shop/tuner what software he is going to use. If he is going to go with Uprev and just reflash the stock ecu, then that is the most ideal way to go then having to use a piggyback system like the safc/etc.

 

Didn't we already go through this in your first failed thread http://forums.maxima.org/6th-generat...mmers-ect.html

 

ok, this is what im trying to say. The dyno place reflashes ecu's, they don't use piggybacks (from what i understand) and i thought that was more common than buying a piggyback anyways. I was always told reflashing software and dyno runs is 110% better than street tuning with a piggyback.

a trained expert who tunes nissan for a living will give you better results on his dynamometer with flashing software that can measure and alture every little parameter, than you can messing with some buttons on a a/f controller.

so do we agree theres a diff between piggyback and a permanent reflash.

i am getting a reflash, they guy has software that will reflash my ecu.

just like technosquare.. am i clear? does this all makes sense to everyone?

 

no that was about which brand i should get and how to use it. I am not doing that anymore, im taking my ride to a professional for a reflash.

and we still haven't even gotten to my original questions. I really wanna know if its a good idea to tune with my cutout open or closed... like if it would really mess things up (performance and economy wise) if i drive 90% of the time with it closed.

as it stands right now, with the cutout open i get really good performance gains on the top end. especially noticable at higher speeds when the tach sits high for longer periods.

 

You obviously don't know what tuning is.

Call the guy and see what he's using to reflash your ecu so we know he's not taking you on a ride!

 

i know what tuning is...

and i will. stay tuned, ill report back this friday when i see him in person.

 

Uprev can be made to utilize two different maps so you can have on with the cut-out open or with it closed.

Basically find out what software the are using to flash cars with. If it is Uprev, then you are in good hands.

 

awesome! man that is great!

so the car basically knows the difference and the ecu automatically adjust accordingly?

 

Nope you set the maps yourself, depending on what you want. For example if you running nitrous you can set up a map for nitrous and another without. But the car doesn't do it automatically. I suggest you do more hw before you get it done. Sounds like the guy is taking you for a ride. Ain't a lot of 6thgens going the performance route and he said reflashed various 6thgens which I find hard to believe.

 

Maps are switched with the cruise control buttons when using Uprev. But yes, sounds like you need to do some research and get more clarification.

Who is this shop?

 

its called adkins performance. But they don't dyno at their location, they have contracted with many dyno shops dependant on make and model, so i don't know the other shop yet. but i will when i visit and talk with the people there on friday. They have been using this guy who specializes in Nissan/infiniti for a long time. He is mainly a 350z guy but max/350z.. same thing.. so i have high expectations.

 

I find it hard to believe as well.

If he's mainly been doing 350z's then he's probably using uprev. Get answers to all the questions in this thread, if I were you I'd call the guy ask him the questions, write down all the answers, and report back. That way we can be of more help to you. I'll leave the uprev stuff to the other guys as I don't know much about it but I will tell you this max and 350z is no where near the same thing. Different ecu, different tune all together, and different engine; just because its a 3.5 doesn't mean its the same.

 

i wouldn't waste my money on anything else but Uprev ... opens up the car quite nicely ....

 

A quick google of the shop and I find multiple threads about how Jonathon Adkins (adkins performance) is a crook, and from the sounds of what this shop told you that led me to think the guy was taking you for a ride in the first place is really now sounding like he's taking you for a ride

http://boardreader.com/thread/Adkins...855xX2xwg.html

http://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-ind...an-adkins.html

http://www.451s.com/forum/topics/adk...rmance-quality

I would proceed with caution, if even to mess with the shop at all. He has a very bad rep from what I found in a matter of 10 mins. I'm already paranoid of mechanic/performance shops as it is and refuse to take my car to anyone this would make me run away

 

Adkins performance were even banned from zilvia.net a Nissan forum for the silvia/z.

http://zilvia.net/f/members/adkins-performance.html

 

yet another http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178389 and recently (10/24/2011) looks like he's being shutdown for it

 

DAMN crazy finds there, might take em your car and your spacers disappear...

 

Yea it is crazy I was just searching to see if I find a website and what I found is bad. especially that last one that was just 0n 10/24/11.

Twenty don't take your car there. Go to the uprev website and find a reputable shop that does the tune.

 

holy ****.. yeah, i will for sure...

thats crazy...

anyone know any performance shops in SoCal i should go to instead?

thanks 2000

 

look at uprev website and get one that does their flash for your car, good thing you posted this you might have ended up at that POS shop. You dodged a bullet, thank me later

 

When I get my Max tuned im thinking about taking it to Church's auto in Wilmington California. They are authorize Uprev dealers, but I suggest you get all your mods done b4 tunning it. But if your balling go ahead.

 

haha yeah thanks man, i owe you one!!

thanks to you i will be sure to google any shop i take my car to in the future....

 

hey i tried a google search but nothing came up. do you have a link?

 

Here you go it's churches
http://home.earthlink.net/~spchurch/

 

LOL so guess what. I email adkins performance saying that i saw his stuff on many forums listing him as a crook. and he replied with this.

"Ya its a long story x partner was selling parts on side saying he was Adkins Performance. its just now going to court so when its all done hopefully ardor name will be fixed. I just got my name restored on the forums and Moderators are deleting threads related to this whole thing. I am still licensed by the Cali Bureau of Automotive Repair, obviously, or else i wouldn't be able to do business with you.

I am truly sorry for the misinformation and hope you will be understanding and give us a chance. This was partly our mistake for allowing my ex partner to sell from our wholesaler on the side.

John, Adkins Performance"

so what do you guys think? lol is it a lie? or makes sense? Its not actually going to be him who does the tuning anyways, just someone he contracts with.

im calling some of the licensed dealers on uprevs website, and haven't been able to reach anyone. Its a wednesday and that makes me nervous when a so called reputable company can't be reached.

i feel like a chicken running around with my head cut off.

 

thanks man i just emailed them. hope this works out.

 

The threads and problems with adkins performance specifically stated Jonathon Adkins himself was a crook, etc, etc. Its not like he was a bystander to problems by his employees or partners, it was him. His name was specifically the one being mentioned. The guys who had problems specifically dealt with him to the point where it sounds like he is heavily involved in the actual work, whether he is or not shouldn't matter anyway crooked is crooked no way around it.

 

agreed, no second change for mr. john