And whys the g a fake sports sedan? Btw the 3 series is much smaller than the G so yea.

That's the problem, it is NOT. If you LOAD up a G37 with AWD, premium package, nav package, tech package, and sports package its comes out to over $44k which is a few thousand more than the fully loaded Max at $40k.

When your talking fully loaded, what I list is fully loaded! That means all package, AWD, etc.

It's not, don't listen to people like him. I've driven a G37 and 335 back to back on the same route, and the only thing the BMW did slightly better than the Infiniti was ride quality/control over road imperfections. The acceleration, handling was all the same. The G37 has a hell of a lot more room then the 3-Series does as well.

I didnt mention anything about the all wheel drive model. If you go on the website the G37 6mt is base is more than a G37X. Thats why on the website they are listed in order from the less to greatest. Its starts from G25 at the bottom all the way to the G37 with 6 speed being at the top

Yeah, but what your talking about is not a fully loaded model, when you don't talk AWD and don't include certain packages that is not fully loaded. Your definition of fully loaded and the actual term is off! As I said before, when you say fully loaded, that means AWD, all packages, certain option extras (mats, door sills, etc).

Plus, I think not getting the AWD and only RWD would knock about $1k off the msrp so its still not within or near the price of a loaded Maxima when it is FULLY LOADED!

+1

Fully Loaded = EVERY OPTION imaginable INCLUDED

That's like saying I have a Fully Loaded Maxima that is only a Fully Loaded "S"

Agreed.

What is the point of this thread? MSRP vs MSRP? Or take home price vs take home price? Because honestly, nobody really cares about MSRP unless you are bragging about your sticker price or unless you are just that bad at making a deal. Nobody pays MSRP

i dunno i dont think you can negotiate a Lamborghini or a Ferrari....

G37>Maxima.

That pretty much says it all. But I'll keep talking anyway.

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Last month, I test drove the 2011 Mustang GT 5.0 6MT with the 3.73 rear end. Immediately after driving the mustang (and calming down), I test drove the Infiniti G37S Coupe. And immediately after that, I test drove the 2010 Maxima.

Now, I've driven all these cars before (except for the mustang), but never one right after the other. So this was a good wrap up for me, putting them side-by-side.

To the point of this discussion, the G37 and the Maxima are just two completely different cars. Other than sharing a NISSAN heritage, there is just no similarity. Comparing them with some kind of equivalence is pointless. Putting them on the same playing field for performance and comfort is downright silly.

For the record, I've also driven the G37S Sedan a few times.

All I'm saying is, you're not doing yourself any favor thinking they're comparable.

You can also S/C or TT the G (GTM ftw)... doing that to the Maxima would be pointless...

I couldn't have said this any better.

I know this is an old thread, why compare Maxima to the G? the Maxima is the top of line the family car for Nissan, it should be compared to the M-class which is the top of the line family car for Infiniti. G's are stretched out 350/370z. I do admit I do miss my trunk space from the Maxima, but F-it i love my G, there's nothing like fishtailing out of parking lots. #skyline

G's and BMW3 are in the same class, Bmw3 are a tad bit smaller, it's a bad *** car..... but G's out perform the bwm3 for a whole lot $$$ less... I wonder y BMW is beefing their torque and HP... I guess they miss wearing their crown because infiniti own it now.

Good thing this thread isn't in the "Other Cars" forum. You'd get pounded into newbie mush for ranking on BMW.

Should have left this thread for dead.

The maxima should not be compared to the M. The Maxima is a fwd, cvt vs the M which is an eight(?) speed AWD, dripping with luxury features and amenities. And looks much sexier than a Maxima.

Granted that most testing groups would not put the Maxima and M in the same category because of the great price difference. But that does not necessarily negate Rochester's premise.

Forget the looks. Looks are strictly subjective. I think the Maxima styling is vastly more appealing than the Infiniti styling, but that is nothing more than my opinion.

The Maxima with Premium Package and Tech Package is as well (or better) equipped FOR ITS PRICE RANGE as any car out there. As Rochester indicated, the Maxima and Infiniti M class are the top-of-the-line family sedans for their respective nameplates, and are not intended as sports cars. These are two cars that would normally be driven in a similar fashion. By the way, only the upscale Ms have AWD. RWD is standard.

The M is more expensive because of things like full luxury appointments, and the M has an automatic tranny, while the Maxima has a CVT. But that changes nothing as far as the intended use of these two vehicles as roomy family passenger vehicles. The Nissan Maxima is near-luxury, while the Infiniti M is full luxury, but they are both upscale family passenger vehicles of approximately the same size.

By contrast, the BMW 3 series, G, etc, are less roomy, more sporty, and usually classified as sports sedans.

I can see where Rochester is coming from. He is not trying to say the Maxima is 'as good as' the M. He is simply saying these are two vehicles that are top of the line family passenger sedans for two different companies, and these two vehicles should not be directly compared in handling, ride, acceleration, etc, to sports sedans such as the BMW 3 series and the G. We may or may not agree, but that doesn't make him right or wrong.

While I see where you are coming from my definition of a family sedan is the g and m. The m can be thrown around more than the maxima. The fact the g isn't as big as the maxima doesn't negate it's value as a family sedan. And while the g is not as sporty as the 3 series, it packs more value.

In fact the m, 750, lincoln town car and Sonota are other examples of family sedans.

In my view the m compares to the ls460 and 750. I guess it's like saying the top of the line Camry compares to the top of the line es350 because the interior volume is similar.

We'll just have to disagree on the G. The G is a fine car, and I have been considering Gs for almost ten years. But I always find myself both disappointed with how cramped the G seems, both in the front seats and the back seats, as well as the trunk. Ride is quite firm, also. A fine sports sedan, but not really a family sedan.

Consumer Reports seems to see the G as I do. Their words: 'Quick and sporty . . . loud at high revs . . . handling is agile . . . taut, compliant ride . . . cabin is snug . . . trunk is small'. It isn't a Ferrari, but CU's wording sounds like the quintessential description of a sports sedan to me. Certainly not a family sedan, such as the M and the Maxima.

Both paragraphs are spot-on, Lightonthehill. (I love reading your posts, man.)

You should take a look at the trunk in the G37 Coupe... it's a glorified glove-box. As for the back seats, they really are quite comfortable... if you can get in them, that is. And then once in the back seats, good luck getting out by yourself. It helps to have someone actually pull you out. I'm not making that up.

I realize discussion here is comparing sedans, but the Coupe is my next car, so I've got it on the brain. And yes, I'm very willing to forgo trunk and back-seat functionality, because 99.99% of the time, I'm the only one in the car, and my trunk is always empty.

Ummm. I've got several granddaughters I can loan you. Three of them spend lots of time in the back seat of my Maxima. I couldn't see them in the back seat of a G. One will soon be 21 years old. But then I'm sure you don't want them, as that would ruin your coupe plans.

I have an two little girls of my own... 11 and 7; both thin and bendy. When the oldest is of an age that she can complain with a justified gripe, she can either lose weight or get a car of her own.

Priorities, man.

Come April 1st, 2012, I start my car search in earnest. Getting pretty excited about it, too. Already have two buyers lined up for my Maxima, priced to sell immediately.

The problem is the G is not a family sedan. Its a sports sedan like the 3-Series and there is a big difference between family sedan and sports sedan when it comes to size and comfort. You'll always fine more of those two in a family sedan than you will in a sports sedan. It depends on what your looking for, what your situation is, and what your willing to sacrifice.

I read that the next gen g ipl will be a v8 with 400+hp and the v6s will have a 3.5 liter designed by mercedes.

Yes it depends on your definition of family. My family of 4 including twomchildren that are big adults are about to embark on a 1000 trip. Taking the g. Sure sounds like the definition of a family sedan to me with a bunch of sport thrown in.

But to each their own. My family sedan has never been as big as a maxima and have always made due.

Whether you agree with consumers or I agree or not, I bought the g as a family sedan for 4 people. Awd doesn't hurt it's agility either. My last car a Subaru was also bought as a family sedan.

My definition of a family sedan is different than yours.

If the next gen IPL has 400+ hp that will be insane, it will be up there with the M3 coupe, hoepfully the overhaul the suspension too!

You are correct that the definition of 'family sedan' is up to the individual.

If Several thousand drivers were asked to give a definition of 'family sedan', a few things that would be listed by the majority of drivers would be:

Comfortable ride
Roomy cabin
Back seat that can hold three people if needed
Roomy trunk

Whether the G meets the 'comfortable ride' criteria is strictly the perception of the driver. I found the G a little firm for comfortable riding.

The G does not meet the other three criteria listed.

I remember my family of four making a two week beach trip in a '78 Datsun 200SX. The trip went fine, but nobody in my family would mistake that 200SX for a 'family' car.

the infiniti G is a great car, but most of it is marketting gimmicks. The profit margin on a G is twice as much as it is on a a35 maxima (of equivalent options). Nissan would rather u buy the G instead of the a35 if they had a choice.

I don't know about other consumers but I tend to value a car based on it's core offerings without the "branding" appeal.

based on heirarchy, I see the G as entry, the a35 and mid level and the M as the higher end.

The G is entry level LUXURY. Entry level are ncars such as the Civic, Corolla, Sentar so on and so forth. The A35 is a mid level but not in the luxury category. Mid level luxury is E class, Infiniti M and BMW 5 Series. High end luxury is S class, 7 Series, Lexus LS and stuff like that. Infiniti M is NOT high end luxury.

The definition of luxuries are things that add performance or comfort or ease of use but are not actually necessary to the function of the car. So by getting a base model S you are not purchasing a luxury vehicle, by getting a fully loaded SV Premium you are. It may be only entry-level luxury, but it is by definition a luxury vehicle...because you have paid to have luxuries added to it. Features people used to pay for in luxury vehicles are now standard in all vehicles, so the definition of luxury is always dependant on what is standard and what is beyond the norm.

You are def right about that one Ghozt.

Since the 2010 model year, the G37S includes the Premium Package by default. There's no such thing as "S-Premium" anymore. That's why cost for a new G37 6MT has jumped up to nearly $40K.

So... "entry level luxury" is an accurate statement. Just saying.

See I think the G has a comfortable ride and roomy cabin. I have had 5 people in my car and I've loaded up the trunk with luggage.

Now for the disclaimer, coming from a small Subaru the G is pretty big. If I compare the G to the Tahoe I used to own, I could drive the G into the Tahoe. It all depends on your perspective.

Of course even the LS460 RWD falls short in the 3 people department in the back seat due to the drive shaft. So in essence the roomiest vehicles in the back are FWD only.

Yes the A35 is a mid-level upscale sedan.

The M56 while short in the amenity department compared to the LS is big in the performance dept compared to the LS. So what do you value more? Performance or amenities? The LS and M are equals in my mind with the 7 series leading the pack. Not to mention the Equus which people are saying is a 7 series sedan with a G37 price.

From the Truth About Cars: Excepting the subjective observations about the looks...

Bottom line: The M56x Infiniti loaned us tipped the scales at $66,850 which sounds expensive, but when you option up the E550 or 550i to similar equipment levels, the M56 offers an almost $9,000 advantage and delivering an interior that is superior to the Mercedes and sporting pretensions similar to the new softer 5-series. Compared to the A6 4.2, the Infiniti brings more power and features to the table for a similar price tag, along with an interior that is just about as good. If Infiniti could market them a better brand image, then the M might just be a better buy than an LS460. At the end of the day while I applaud Infiniti for creating a car that gives the major players a run for their money, the styling is enough for me to say “no thanks.” On the other hand, at least half of the people I ran into love the style, if the looks work for you, you can’t go wrong by putting one in your garage.

I could care less how much Nissan makes on the G. I agree about the branding appeal thing, but I can't dismiss the performance differential between the Maxima and the G.

While some may not care about the difference between a front-drive/cvt and a 7 speed AWD ATTESA, the latter is why I bought the G. Not to mention the hp difference.

Even if people say the G37 is a tarted up Altima, like I've read the ES350 is a tarted up Camry, I don't care. Those who think ES=Camry and G=Altima, let 'em think that.

Funny how the maxima is being compared to cars like the M and G. Totally different cars compared to the maxima. Only real competitor to the maxima, is the avalon. Flag ship cars of non luxury brands.

People compare across all sorts of metrics:

- performance
- price
- interior volume
- amenities

The maxima is a nice upscale sedan where Nissan has done a good job with the sports aspirations.

It has been said, both car are in different market. If someone is looking for a Maxima, obviously he need the space & maybe the 4 doors...

You can't really compare both car. Plus here in Canada, the price is not the same AT ALL.

MAXIMA
Base: 38 535$
Privilege package: 2800$ Navigation: 2200$
Sprot package: 2050$ Navigation: 2500$

G37
Base: 47 765$
Hi-tech package: 3750$

G37 sport
Base: 50 265$
Navigation: 2950$

G37X
Base: 50 265$
Hi-tech package: 3750$

G37X sport
Base: 52 765$
Hi-ech package: 3750$

A fully loaded MAXIMA here is the same price as a base 370Z. But again, if I went for the MAXIMA, it is because I need a 4 doors & trunk space...

I wonder what the stats are comparing US to Canada on the average annual cost of ownership for a car, particularly considering how much you pay for gas?

I don't know how you do it. You have my sympathy, Canadian Car Enthusiasts.