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Old Jan 25, 2007 | 01:52 PM
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How Much Neg Camber

I want to get the k-sport coilovers but i want to know how much negative camber can be done with that setup. And if i can't do too much negative camber which other brand of coilovers let you put negative camber? Thanks

By the way it's coilovers for a 4th gen (1998)
Old Jan 25, 2007 | 04:54 PM
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I'm not sure how much exactly you can dial in with them, but by looking at the k-sport camber plates (installed,) looks like adjustment range is high enough for any kind of driving.
Old Jan 25, 2007 | 06:24 PM
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there is plenty of adjustement...and i wouldnt run anythign more than -2.5 if your heavily roadracing or auto-x ing the car.....if its just spirited driving no more than -1.5
Old Jan 26, 2007 | 09:38 AM
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I'm mostly spirited driving. But thats only on weekends and what not. Its also going to be my daily driver. I'm also wanting negative camber so i can fit my 20x9 rims....And i also like the look of VIP cars but i can't afford to own/modify one. So i'm happy with my maxima.
Old Jan 26, 2007 | 09:56 AM
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i dunno if u have to adjust camber to fit...but if its that big of a problem ur going to have to run more than 1.5 of neg camber to fit them...and then you will just be killing tires....try to find 8.5" wheels...or run no drop at all which will look stupid on 4th gens.....so try to go with 19"s or narrower wheels...IMO anythign over 18 is a waste.... plus with that low of profile tire will turn ur irde to **** anyway
Old Jan 30, 2007 | 08:38 AM
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The most I ever got out of my Ksports was something like -3.5 degrees.

In addition to the camber plates, one of the holes for the lower mounts is elliptical to permit even more camber adjustability.
Old Jan 31, 2007 | 10:49 AM
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When you were at neg 3.5 deg was that car being driven daily?? If it was did you have to be very very careful. And if not then how much negative degree's did you run while daily driving your car?
Old Jan 31, 2007 | 12:00 PM
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You'd better believe I drove daily on it, and I drove pretty hard. It wasn't the grippiest setup I've had, but it was damn near the best-handling.

Of course, it only took a couple thousand miles to wear the inside edges of my front tires down to the cords (they were 205-section summer tires with a 280 treadwear rating). But even then it wasn't so bad because the angle on the worn edge was such that, when I rotated those tires to the rear, the exposed cord wasn't even touching the ground...


After that, I decided to switch to 225-section all-season tires and run -1.2 to -1.5 degrees camber. That worked out pretty well with the Toyo Proxes 4 and -1.2 degrees, and it's working out very well with the Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS and -1.5 degrees. Tire wear is pretty damn even with those numbers and my driving.
Old Jan 31, 2007 | 12:48 PM
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Thats good to hear b/cuz i will be driving daily and doing a lil hard driving once in a while (like we all do). The wheels i want to run are 255/35/R20. Now i know i know 20's are too big but in my situation i already have these wheels. They are coming off my 2006 max. No one is really interested in the wheels so i'm just going to put them on my 4th gen max. Reason why i want to go so much negative camber is so the wheels will fit. I'm not sure of the offset but they are 20x9. So it's going to be tough lowering it without negative camber. Also any suggestions would be a great help.
Old Jan 31, 2007 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by laflyer23
Thats good to hear b/cuz i will be driving daily and doing a lil hard driving once in a while (like we all do). The wheels i want to run are 255/35/R20. Now i know i know 20's are too big but in my situation i already have these wheels. They are coming off my 2006 max. No one is really interested in the wheels so i'm just going to put them on my 4th gen max. Reason why i want to go so much negative camber is so the wheels will fit. I'm not sure of the offset but they are 20x9. So it's going to be tough lowering it without negative camber. Also any suggestions would be a great help.
Minor point of clarification: I don't drive hard "once in a while". I drive hard most of the time. That's the only reason -1.2 to -1.5 degrees camber produces even wear on my tires.


As for your lowering plans, I have a few thoughts, since you asked:

1. Hard driving with massive wheels is a bad idea.

2. Those wheels are going to rub no matter how much camber you have.

3. Hard driving with wheels that rub is a REALLY bad idea.

4. Those wheels with those tires will raise your car 0.9" by themselves. That means you'll have to drop your car that much more just to get the same look, which in turn is going to leave you with bad suspension geometry without a low center of gravity to show for it.
Old Feb 6, 2007 | 01:31 PM
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even IFdoodfood doesnt know what he's talking about, it sure is a convincing post to make it look like he does! lol im j/k, he knows his stuff
Old Feb 6, 2007 | 06:32 PM
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He does know his stuff generally and is clearly a smart guy, but his tragic flaw is he believes Ksports can do no wrong! Just be sure to read what others say about Ksports too.
Old Feb 7, 2007 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by VQuick
He does know his stuff generally and is clearly a smart guy, but his tragic flaw is he believes Ksports can do no wrong! Just be sure to read what others say about Ksports too.
Thanks for the vote of confidence.

For the record, though, I'm pretty well over my initial opinion of Ksport coilovers and have no illusions about them. I think they're great for the price, but I know they're not exactly God's gift to suspension. I just recommend them because they're cheap, they're a known quantity, and they don't suck, which is more than can be said about a lot of performance products for the Maxima. The only time I really wave Ksport's flag is when people spread misinformation about them (e.g. they are unreliable), and that's only because I hate when people base decisions on misinformation...
Old Feb 16, 2007 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by d00df00d
3. Hard driving with wheels that rub is a REALLY bad idea.
Wouldn't know bout that.
Old Feb 16, 2007 | 10:24 PM
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Wouldn't know bout that.
Your car is powered by broken laws of physics. Stop confusing the n00bs.
Old Feb 17, 2007 | 08:37 PM
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agreed!!!
Old Feb 28, 2007 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by d00df00d
Your car is powered by broken laws of physics. Stop confusing the n00bs.
Hahaha

Ok in regards to the first question, you DO NOT want any negative camber. Even the slightest bit almost un-noticable to the eye will eat at your tires. Trust me if the camber isnt set just right it will in time destroy a set of tires.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 04:31 AM
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Actually, if you have no negative camber whatsoever, you'll wear the outside edges of your tires prematurely because you'll roll onto them every time you corner. You need a tiny bit for even tire wear.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 05:07 PM
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Thats news to me. Working at a large dealership i have never heard of such a thing. Anytime ive heard of camber issues positive or negative the goal is to have it as close to zero as it can be.


Originally Posted by d00df00d
Actually, if you have no negative camber whatsoever, you'll wear the outside edges of your tires prematurely because you'll roll onto them every time you corner. You need a tiny bit for even tire wear.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 05:41 PM
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d00d is right. In fact, the 1999 Maxima Factory Service Manual specifies a nominal front camber of −0.25°.
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Originally Posted by Jwad00
Thats news to me. Working at a large dealership i have never heard of such a thing. Anytime ive heard of camber issues positive or negative the goal is to have it as close to zero as it can be.
Wouldn't be the only time dealerships have acted on flagrant misconceptions about car maintenance...
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