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#41
Originally Posted by JClaw
So the displacement has no effect on that. Nissan just decided to go with a crappier knock sensor in 2000.
Actually, I have yet to read about any 00+ KS dieing. There are plenty of 99's that have dead knock sensors, but I have not seen ONE dead one on an 00+. I dout they are crappy.
#42
2k2 TB... Right now there is no idle control, it idles the same, cold or hot. I'm thinking about switching to a PF TB, but the 1500 idle doenst bother me TOO much
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#44
Originally Posted by allen222
How will switching to the PF TB fix the idle situation? Does it have a built in idle control system?
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The PF TB does have a throttle plate opening adjustment screw that you can use to control idle speed if you are not going to use the 4th gen IACV.
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
Actually, I have yet to read about any 00+ KS dieing. There are plenty of 99's that have dead knock sensors, but I have not seen ONE dead one on an 00+. I dout they are crappy.
About the idle situation: Tilley told his was fine. Both me ad Nismo have 1500 rpm idles. Even putting the IACV on didn't solve that situation. WTF is up with that?
#47
Originally Posted by JClaw
Plenty of 3rd gen Altimas have had dead KS, and at a much lower mileage than 4th gens. Sure, alot of 4th gens have dead KS, but that usually doesn't occur until fairly high mileage. 5th gen/Altima KS seem to be more sensitive about knock. So, they aren't exactly "crappier", but a more sensitive KS was not needed IMO.
About the idle situation: Tilley told his was fine. Both me ad Nismo have 1500 rpm idles. Even putting the IACV on didn't solve that situation. WTF is up with that?
About the idle situation: Tilley told his was fine. Both me ad Nismo have 1500 rpm idles. Even putting the IACV on didn't solve that situation. WTF is up with that?
Could be a throttle position sensor issue. With mine, I noticed a large jump in idle speed once I got above about .25 V. Try adjusting it with the engine idling and see if you can bring the rpm down.
#51
Originally Posted by Nismo3112
I set my TPS at the same position it was at on my 3.0 TB. What is the voltage the TPS sees @ idle? And which terminals do you test it?
I use my SAFC to monitor TPS volts. To use a multimeter, you would have to backprobe leads 2 and 3. Go to page 138 of section EC: http://members.dslextreme.com/users/...esm/a32-ec.pdf
#52
I'm not sure how 4th gens ECU are, but that sounds exactly like what happens, ie turning the idle screw but no change, on my 93 Sentra when I forget to disconnect the TPS beforehand.
Basically, you warm the car up. Shut it off. Disconnect the TPS. Start it and rev 2-3 times from 2000-3000 rpm. Set the timing by adjusting the distributor. Finally, adjust the idle RPM.
Not sure why, but it's a picky SOB if I don't follow that procedure.
Basically, you warm the car up. Shut it off. Disconnect the TPS. Start it and rev 2-3 times from 2000-3000 rpm. Set the timing by adjusting the distributor. Finally, adjust the idle RPM.
Not sure why, but it's a picky SOB if I don't follow that procedure.
#55
Some NPM useful info on KS and the pre vs. post 2000 ECUs:
Q: Can you elaborate a little as to what the knock sensor does and how to desensitize it? Is the dummy sensor an aftermarket item or just the original one moved and grounded?
Sarah: The knock sensor is like a microphone bolted to the block. When it senses knock, it sends a signal to the ECU to retard timing and prevent any damage to the engine. Before 2000, Nissan ECU's had an analog filter board that was tuned to filter certain frequencies with a bandpass filter. The ECU compared unfiltered and filtered signals to determine if the engine was knocking or not but at higher engine speeds, it can't reliably determine knocking. Also, a car running very low octane gas could fool the ECU into detecting knock and retard the timing. After 2000, Nissan changed to digital signal processing converting waveforms from analog to digital. Using complicated algorithms of digital sensoring techniques to determine knocking, this new system pushes the limit to find the most power right before the engine would begin to knock. However, real aggressive timing maps cause the ECU to overreact and pull timing before the engine knocks. Also, the sensor can confuse normal engine and valve train noise for knock and prematurely retard the timing, also causing erratic dyno runs. To keep the ECU from prematurely retarding the timing which will also produce more consistant dyno runs, Jim Wolf Technology determined that relocating the sensor from the block so it's still electronically connected to the ECU, but not receiving the brunt of engine vibration, is the best way to desensitize the knock sensor. Another way would be to plug in a ½ million ohm resistor to lessen the signal the sensor sends to the ECU. But don't completely disconnect the knock sensor- the ECU will default to low octane mode and you'll lose a lot of timing.
Sarah: The knock sensor is like a microphone bolted to the block. When it senses knock, it sends a signal to the ECU to retard timing and prevent any damage to the engine. Before 2000, Nissan ECU's had an analog filter board that was tuned to filter certain frequencies with a bandpass filter. The ECU compared unfiltered and filtered signals to determine if the engine was knocking or not but at higher engine speeds, it can't reliably determine knocking. Also, a car running very low octane gas could fool the ECU into detecting knock and retard the timing. After 2000, Nissan changed to digital signal processing converting waveforms from analog to digital. Using complicated algorithms of digital sensoring techniques to determine knocking, this new system pushes the limit to find the most power right before the engine would begin to knock. However, real aggressive timing maps cause the ECU to overreact and pull timing before the engine knocks. Also, the sensor can confuse normal engine and valve train noise for knock and prematurely retard the timing, also causing erratic dyno runs. To keep the ECU from prematurely retarding the timing which will also produce more consistant dyno runs, Jim Wolf Technology determined that relocating the sensor from the block so it's still electronically connected to the ECU, but not receiving the brunt of engine vibration, is the best way to desensitize the knock sensor. Another way would be to plug in a ½ million ohm resistor to lessen the signal the sensor sends to the ECU. But don't completely disconnect the knock sensor- the ECU will default to low octane mode and you'll lose a lot of timing.
#56
Originally Posted by JClaw
Plenty of 3rd gen Altimas have had dead KS, and at a much lower mileage than 4th gens. Sure, alot of 4th gens have dead KS, but that usually doesn't occur until fairly high mileage. 5th gen/Altima KS seem to be more sensitive about knock. So, they aren't exactly "crappier", but a more sensitive KS was not needed IMO.
About the idle situation: Tilley told his was fine. Both me ad Nismo have 1500 rpm idles. Even putting the IACV on didn't solve that situation. WTF is up with that?
About the idle situation: Tilley told his was fine. Both me ad Nismo have 1500 rpm idles. Even putting the IACV on didn't solve that situation. WTF is up with that?
#57
Originally Posted by Stephen Max
The FSM says .35-.65 V, but I could never set mine that high without the idle rpm going above 1000 rpm, even with the idle air adjustment screw fully closed. When I have the IACV hooked up, my TPS is set to about .23-.24 V. I have worked on other cars though, that idle just fine with the TPS at .35 V.
I use my SAFC to monitor TPS volts. To use a multimeter, you would have to backprobe leads 2 and 3. Go to page 138 of section EC: http://members.dslextreme.com/users/...esm/a32-ec.pdf
I use my SAFC to monitor TPS volts. To use a multimeter, you would have to backprobe leads 2 and 3. Go to page 138 of section EC: http://members.dslextreme.com/users/...esm/a32-ec.pdf
#58
Originally Posted by krismax
Just to add some info cars with WOT switch and TPS as mine is do not get adjusted this way. In the hynes manuel(page 6-9 step 12 for WOT/TPS ) it decribes very simply how to set TPS when you have a WOT switch. It involves using 2 diff sized feeler gauges and a multimeter to determine continuity and non continuity . If yours is done this way and you play with the throttle stop screw you are f$cked
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Originally Posted by krismax
I believe your problem is your TB your using i use the pathy TB which can have the TPS set 100% to our setting for our 4th gen TB's . My car idles perfect and just as good as my car did stock
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