4.16 final drive is from the 1988 and 1989 Pulsar 5-speed with the RS5F50A tranny and the 1.8L engine, NOT 1.6L.

More aggressive first, second, and third gear are also from the 88/89 1.8 Pulsar.

 

What about the 4.47?
Thanks for all the help in this JClaw..

Do you think a VQ would smash these parts to bits eventually? (probably dealing with 2x the Torque)

Cryo-treatment a good idea??

 

I have no idea I haven't seen the gears myself.

4.47 is from the 4WD (not 2WD) 1991 Axxess.

 

I find this topic really interesting..
If you were going to do it up as best as possible, how about- based on:
1st gear on our 5-speeds is 3.285, Altima is 3.40
2nd gear on our 5-speeds is 1.850, Altima is 1.955 (very interesting jump)
3rd gear on our 5-speeds is 1.206, Altima is 1.272
4th gear on our 5-speeds is 0.954, Altima is identical
5th gear on our 5-speeds is 0.759, Altima is 0.740 (better for fuel economy

Option 1:
4.16 final drive
Altima 3rd gear
Altima 5th gear

Option 2:
4.47 final drive
Altima 5th gear

Option 3: (the hardcore setup)
4.47 final drive
Altima 3rd gear
Altima 5th gear

Option 4: (also hardcore, good for drag racing on slicks?)
4.16 final
Altima 2nd
Altima 3rd
Altima 5th

Option 5: super-hardcore, forget 1st gear altogether unless on R-compound?
4.47 final
Altima 2nd
Altima 3rd
Altima 5th

What do people say as to the best route? My goal is to be really fast from 50-110 or so... Low RPMs on the Freeway is just a bonus.

Im leaning toward Option 1 at the moment..

 

cool, thanks-

 

Ive noticed that after some hard laps, sometimes my trannie just does not want to go from 2nd into third. Its like Im trying to shift into a wall... I have to wiggle it for a second or two to get it to land...
This seems to me like an important point, I do not want this drama to be a normal situation.
Would switching to a taller (e.g. stock ratio to altima) 3rd gear help, like I am guessing it would?

 

SMALL UPDATE: Looking at the 1995 FSM, it seems the 3rd and 5th gears are NOT the same as 1997+. I had assumed they were the same, but it's not the case:

1997-2001 5-speeds

1st=3.285
2nd=1.850
3rd=1.206
4th=0.954
5th=0.759
Final Drive=3.825

1995-1996 5-speeds

1st=3.285
2nd=1.850
3rd=1.272
4th=0.954
5th=0.795
Final Drive=3.285

This could be one of the reasons why 95-96s seems *slighty* faster than 97-99 (combined with less weight).

So we 95-96 guys don't have access to more aggressive 3rd and 4th gears since we already have the most aggressive ones available. We could switch the 1st for 3.400 and the 2nd for 1.955, and 5th for 0.740, for better fuel economy.

The perfect tranny would be:

1st=3.285
2nd=1.955
3rd=1.272
4th=0.954
5th=0.740
Final Drive=4.167

5th and the more aggressive final drive would cancel each other out, leaving 75 mph highway cruising at 3000, but the 1-4 would accelerate quicker.

 

Interesting find. Finally, some truth behind the "95/96's are faster" statement. Well, sorta

 

This is a typo, right? They both have the same final drive... im assume a little switcharoo with the 2 and 8...

I just got off the phone with a nissan service guy and he was basically taking a big dump on this idea, saying until you had the trannie all apart, there is no way you will know if the new stuff will fit in the casing, work together, etc, etc...
Kind of bumming me out.

 

He's full of sh*t. It will work and I'll prove it. This is probably the same kind of dealer mechanic who said the VQ35 swap was impossible, wont work, tranny wont bolt up. ect. load of crap. The only difference between our transmission and the altima/axxess/pulsar 5-speed is the bellhousing, the inner case is the same, nissan just uses the same case with different belhousings.

Give me 4-5 days and I will prove it. My transmission is out of the car, but everyone is closed this weekend, I can't order the parts until Monday.

I have both the Axxess and 95 Maxima FSM's. It's the same thing.

The guys at the dealer did not believe me until I popped my hood and showed them the 3.5. They had their heads too far up their @sses, and obviously would not take an 18-year old guy seriously. That shut them up real good. F*ckers.

 

I actually like that fact that the 3rd gear in my 01 tranny is longer legged because it just helps me stay in 3 rd at the strip and keeps me out of forth .
What my third gear goes to is insane .

 

What does FSM stand for?
Please continue to rock on!!

 

Factory service manual.

 

Around 115 mph at 7500 rpm, right?

If shifting into 4th takes so much time, then why did I trap 104.5 in a heavy car with the 2k2 crap intake manifold?

 

Iam not talking about trap ,ET is all that matters.
Ive seen a civic run 12.3 @ 100 mph.

 

trap=potential power

 

On a side note, I just opened my tranny, and it looks like 3rd is gone, but that's it. 1 and 2 are fine, the only reason it won't go in 1st or 2nd is that little pieces of gears all over are blocking it.. Other than a synchro and the 3rd gear set, it looks fine. Even the dreaded 95/96 diffy bearing is fine

The tranny is a real b*tch to open the first time you do it though.

 

No, real power=trap.

trap=potential E.T.

 

Then why aren't Tilley and Krismax trapping higher than me?

 

Real power vs. Peak power.

 

Your numbers are skewed. I just checked every Maxima book from '95-'01 and they ALL have the same gearing throughout. The '94 Maxima does have a different reverse.




Best viewed in IE currently... (work in progress)

http://www.poweredbynissan.com/trans...san-Trans.html

 

You forgot to add 4.16 and 4.47 to the final drives. These come directly from the FSM's they had at the dealership.

 

Maybe you just forgot to read





And I want to see actual scans of the ESMs.

 

Jclaw what FSM are you looking at? I just looked at all the gear ratios and they are identical.

 

Call the Local Dealership and ask for the final drive ratio of the 1988 1.8L Pulsar. They will tell you 4.167 if they can read.

 

Yes that is what I plan to do.

 

BTW, 1.8L only. 1.6L uses another tranny.

 

Interesting stuff all around- But does anyone have any practical experience mixing/matching RS5F50 internals? Is it safe to say "the Altima has this ratio, I'll use it"? I've been researching all of this in FAST, and I kinda doubt individual gears are direct drop-ins. The input and main shafts seem to really be specific to application. Will that 4.16 ring gear really mesh if you dont use the internals that match it? Probably a good idea if the
first to do this has a whole donor trans. I'll let you guys know if I find a CA18DE Pulsar!

 

Of course you have to have each 'pair' of gears in order to make it work. And in the case of the different ring & pinions it would require the mainshaft as well. Beceause Nissan FWD transmissions have the pinion gear machined as part of the mainshaft. The only question left would be about those alternative mainshafts fitting in the VQ version of the 50A.
I know the 51A VQ mainshaft is about 6mm too short to fit in the Tiburon 6 speed.

 

The only question left would be about those alternative mainshafts fitting in the VQ version of the 50A.

That, I think will work. The mainshaft bearings are the same all the way back to the late 80s Pulsar/Stanza, and most everything in between. I guess if dimensions on the mainshaft other than the bearing surfaces changed (splines for syncro hubs,etc) it might not work without changing all the pieces.

 

The box I'm getting from the vq20de is RS5F50V FG41 with a Diff ratio of 4.1:1, is the same box that comes with the Maxima VQ30DE?

 

Yes it should be the same. Do you have any Factory Service Manuals for it?

 

Unfortunately no, I'm flying blind so to speak

 

I went to pick up a 4.16 final drive today. On the phone the guy said he had it, 95$cnd, so I went down there and all they had was 3.82 and 4.47. F*ckheads.

Going to check a few other places tomorrow.

 

Any developments???

 

I used the first three gears of a 2000 altima and they work fine in my tranny. The car seems to pull really hard but I've been driving a 145 hp Taurus station wagon for nearly 3 weeks so it might just be that side effect...

 

So you swapped out the first 3 gears then? Nice..! No Final Drive change... why is that? Is it not viable?

 

The reason is that the only ones available for VLSD trannies are 3.82 (what we have), 3.89 and 4.47. At the time I thought 4.47 was too aggressive but now I'm reconsidering and it would let me finish at the end of 4th gear.

1st gear just died so I'll be opening it anyway. I'll put in a lower 5th gear so 75 mph cruising only goes up to 3250 (from 3000). That's going to be a 3.5L with Honda gearing

 

Update: Just bought the 4.47 final drive from a 1991 Axxess, as well as the mainshaft to match. Cost me 150$cnd together. I'll probably be pulling the trans this weekend, and saying goodbye to any kind of traction in 2nd gear.

Oh and for those who are wondering; yes the 3.400 1st gear helped me, my 60 foots went down to 2.02 on street tires, but I think the 2nd/3rd gear drop off made me slower. Went 13.79@105.29 mph on the street tires last weekend, which is still .11 off my street tire PB.

Anyway, I'll use the original 1-2-3-4-5 gears, except with the shorter final drive, see what that does.

 

This outta be good.

And I hope you have a LIGHT flywheel.