Correct .

 

you would only buy one SAFC-II between two cars? Thatd be annoying, having to re-install it everytime. It doesnt log the data into your ecu, you need it to be hooked up to your ECU at all times for it to be effective

 

Always wondered why you felt this way about JWT, but you never specify ... Maybe when they screwed turbo max's car Oh well, been using their products since 2000

I could care less about their cams though.

If they cracked the ECU code earlier, I would've gone with them for my ECU.

They were pretty shady with the TS for 5.5g autos, as tehy showed no gains what-so-ever, and finally fessed up to the conclusion with the auto they could never get consistent results, but it took a few members to complain to them for a while about their products before they offered a the L-spec.

 

Noooo...I was gonna use it on my next car also, as in after getting rid of my current one. Who'd do that?!? lol

 

No piggyback huh? Cool.

 

Until someone figures out what to about timing. Go ahead, try and figure it out ...

B/c taht's how long it took me to install it.

www.car-part.com

Well, I actually took my stock unit out and gave them what I had been using for years, then used the cheap core to drive around on, call me wierd but it made me feel better. Also confirmed that the cheap core worked, and that my old stock unit, for whom I had drove around on for years, was actually getting reprogrammed .. also gave it a few characteristic marks so when it came back I knew it was mine. Ben is a shady guy at times, but oh well, who in this buisness isn't.

 

Pretty sure he has a S-AFC-II ....

That's the idea lately.

Get the reflash w/ extended rev limiter, and adjust your own A/F ...

 

Your statements are bluring the lines between Technosquare and JWT, please be careful of that because not everyone knows who TS is.

I have specified several times in the past why I dislike JWT, even before the Turbo Max fiasco. My bad experiences from them are from over ten years ago when I had my B13 SE-R. And in that ten years it appears that their customer service has gotten only worse. Their arrogance is just plain disgusting and it greatly upsets them to think that a customer on the other end of the phone might perhaps know something that they don't know. Go read the latest news on Blubyu2k2s adventures with them. He was another person I gave a stern warning to when dealing with these dirtbags and now he's paying a big price for doing so.


Having said that, I don't expect any company to be perfect and I know TS has made their share of mistakes. But the one thing they do which is a MUST for customer satisfaction is admit where they were wrong and work with customers to correct such mistakes.

The personal experiences I have had in dealing with both of these companies is incomparable. Whereas the people at JWT only wanted to argue with me, tell me I was wrong and make feeble attempts to talk to me as if I were stupid vs. the people at TS, mainly Tadashi, spoke to me with mutual respect , graciously answered every question I had, delivered the product that was exactly what I asked for AND did so within a very short 2 day time frame (JWT takes months). To me that is a no brainer.

 

I didn't say I didn't have a piggyback. I just said I didn't get any software changes other than the L-Spec with the further extended rev limit. In the future I may send it back for a software change once I know exactly what it is that I want.

 

Now this makes sense ... After TS came out, I told myself I'd be finished with JWT since Ben himself is a pain to work with but at the time, all there was an option for was JWT .. ...

 

So the Lspec TS ecu you have is a piggyback? Why doesn't that make sense? I was jus goin by ur comment bout u havin the TS ecu and the fact that I didn't see any mention of whether or not u have a piggyback tuner (at least in any language I could understand). Sorry if I missed it.
Oh and in reference to the part about the Lspec w/ no new hardware n such, I'm assuming that was intended for someone else since I don't remember asking anything requiring mention of any new hardware for an ecu. Jus whether or not u use the SAFCII. I apologize if I wasnt clear about that.
Please don't think I'm bein rude, jus tryina sort out what info was meant for me and what wasn't. Thanx for your understanding.

 

Ok...? But I don't even know what problems were encountered with this procedure so I couldn't and wouldnt even begin an attempt.
Gotcha!
Thanx! Shoulda guessed that one. It seems they're a popular spot for spare Maxima parts. lol
Great idea!

 

309chp on my automatic....but that is a STD dyno, SAE its only 302. (233whp/transmission power transfer % = .77, Nissan 4ATs lose 23%, 6MTs lose 18). Now its up to 235 after some more dyno tuning and should go even higher in the months to come.

 

hm i thought your 239whp was sae...oh well

 

This was my dilemna a little while back when trying to decide what ECU to go with. For a later 4th gen such as mine (98) I became frustrated with the lack of good tuning solutions. No matter which I picked, there seemed to be a downside. I needed the extended rev limit for my VI and TS told me they couldn't guarantee that it would work. They said it wasn't even an auto vs manual problem, but an ECU version problem. Since they couldn't guarantee me the rev limit I reluctantly went with JWT. In a year or so when I do the 3.5 swap I won't need it anymore.

But I'm having headaches with it right now: eg-codes for an auto tranny on a 5-spd ECU?! Plus it's not mapped right for my liking... above 7000 rpm and my A/F is 14.3?! Yikes. Now I'm about to send it back for reprogramming.. hoping I won't be given a hard time about it but prepared to insist on what I want.

 

How far past 7k do you have your limtier set?

 

use an SAFC-II to correct the problems with your a/f

 

Sorry brain fart, I meant to say above 6500 to 7000. Limit's currently at 7000... but I will be increasing that.

 

Well, I will be giving JWT one try to fix it as I want the rev limiter increased and the code problems fixed anyways. If they don't do it acceptably then I'll consider a piggyback but I've read other comments here stating that changing fuel via piggyback on a JWT ECU messes with the timing also. Is this accurate?

Interestingly enough, I was expecting to be rich with the JWT due to DEK injectors but the WOT table is corrected for fuel trims it seems. Which means the JWT tune is lean. On my stock ECU, I'm seeing 11.8 to 12.2 A/F as expected (stock tune?).

I'm also following the eManage Ultimate developments with interest but probably won't jump on that just yet until I have all the info I need (also thinking about future swap and/or boost plans, not just my current VQ30)

 

Even if you have to use JWT you DON'T have to have them screw around with the fuel MAPs and the open/closed loop settings. Just freakin tell those morons to leave the fuel map alone and ONLY extend the existing OE map to the desired RPM. If they don't touch the loop points then there will be no issue with using a piggyback. If they don't want to listen then have them call me, I'll be happy to go a few rounds with them on the phone and hopefully on one of my very rare bad days.

 

The joys of modding maximas.

 

haha, i want to make a three way call and just hear SR go off.
if TS could get the issues solved with raising the rev limiter, it wouldnt be a doubt in my mind to go with them. Id just hate to get it and still have the stock limiter.

 

Lol. You really have a bone to pick with them I see...

Makes me wonder though, if I were to get them to leave the fuel alone, and subsequently add a piggyback, then even for the VQ30 there's no real point in having the JWT anymore IF the eManage Ultimate can indeed reliably increase rev limit and timing. But it's so new... it would be nice to have good confirmation that it can do those things before spending the cash on it. If indeed the EU can do all that then I sure wish it would have come out a while ago when (before) I first bought the JWT.

 

Tell me about it! I've uttered that phrase in frustration a few times for sure! Makes it worse too working on my buddy's Firebird (LT1) and seeing how easy he's got it.

 

I stress things such as this because I genuinely care that you all do well with modding your cars. I know that many people here may not see it that way but I hate seeing people make the same mistakes over and over and I hate seeing terrible companies thrive on the misery of others.

 

No matter how desolate it may seem you should remember that it could always be worse. Acura CLs get a quarter of the aftermarket love that we get and there are plenty of better examples than that.

 

Yeah, I hear you. And it wasn't that I blindly chose the JWT. Like I said, I RELUCTANTLY chose JWT because at the time, there didn't seem to be better options for the VQ30, unlike the VQ35. TS couldn't guarantee me the rev limit increase and no piggyback could do it, and with the VI that was a must. At least I got it used and saved some money not having to buy a core or pay full JWT price.

Maybe there's a reason for optimism with the new EU but still it'd be nice to have something like Zemulator, Hondata, LT1Edit, TunerCat etc available for our cars.

 

I wasn't trying to single you out, if thats how it sounded. I know most ppl use them because of the lack of alternatives. To me it looked as if you and perhaps a few others wanted some clarification on my harshness towards them (JWT).

 

Yes that's true, but especially when you've got friends with well-supported cars, in those particular moments of frustration you can sure feel like you're last on the "love list." lol.

 

No worries man, I didn't take it that way. I was just explaining the reasons for my choice, in case anyone would care to know.