I have a 96 body with the de-k, intake , full exhaust no cats, precats or mufflers back, and ran a 13.8 yes

 

no ecu, or tuning of any sort? timeslip? trap speed and such?

 

i dont believe until i see it, scan your timeslip or make somthing up and give us 60' 1/8 1/4 trap speeds ect...

 

13.8@102.49, somethin like that, it was last month at lacr i think, thats here in southern cali, if this helps guys, i also had bad runs too like a 14.4 was my worst, when i was drivin, i let my brother drive the last two runs , which were the best times, also i had the stock 215/15's on the front instead of my 19's all the way around at the track and i had a smaller belt with no ac connected if that helps??,

 

joosdawg ...--->What did the timelslip look like .... 60' .. 1/8 ET/MPH?


Are your pre-cats gutted, or do you have a y-pipe?

 

yeah man, more details are needed, because i find this hard to believe

 

yea, i double checked last night and asked my bro, he says it was 13.8, like i said personally i only got 14.4, 14.1 that i remember , ive only been to a lacr track once, and he doesnt think he still has the timeslip, i am repeating all this outta memory but anyways for my exhaust its not a bought y pipe, my friend welds and we just took all my stuff off i.e. cat, precats, mufflers, took the factory bends outta the b pipe, so now its like 2.5 from headers back, lol its homemade but its good

 

i must be retarded, i cant seem to put my car pic on here?? ne one wanna help me feel stupid?

 

Dude....at lacr i got a 15.2 with y-pipe, b-pipe, catback, magnaflow, intake and flywheel and i was happy(and i do know how to drive). how the hell did you get a 13.8.....one of my friends in a 02 auto with 100 shot of nx got a 14.4, another friend got a 16.2 with a 01 5 speed.... i just dont see how you could ahve gotten that at LACR, its too much above sea level.

 

Any real #'s?

 

Those are the ****tiest numbers I have ever heard of reguardless of elevation.

 

yeah, half of that has to be that your friends dunno what they are doing

 

OK Running 15.2 is REDICULOUS if you are 5 SPD. The fastest BARE BONES stock 5 SPD ran 14.8 I think.

 

all of us went to a different track and ran atleast .3 seconds faster.....you should take my car more into consideration then theirs....the point is he ran 1.4 seconds faster than me(and i had a damn good 60 ft).....


go to lacr......350z's and g35's run 14.7-14.8. i went to a different track(not 2000 ft above sea level) and ran a low 14.8....and where did you get that 14.8 figure from??? 15.1 is the factory number with a professional driver...


i think 200ft above....im not sure.


BTW these are about the same numbers i got with my previous 4th gen....so i know there is nothing wrong with the cars....have any other peeps in SOCAL gone to lacr??

 

Sorry clicked too many times

 

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Dave B runs @ nearly 5x that .. and I run at nearly 30x that ... That's not considered a "high" track ... maybe a slow one, but definately not high. ...

 

what is the difference from DEK cali or fed? does this deal with the precats in the header exhaust or something to the engine, im going to be ordering my dek tomorrow or the next day need the maxima running!
It seems some cars run better than others but for a 13.8 theres gotta be weight off the car plus an ecu and 00VI at least, the exhaust of course adds hella more.

 

WHAT!!! Many people have ran 14.8-14.9stock. I met the guy at ran 14.7 stock. And Neal ran 14.5 STOCK. I hope you don't think magazine drivers are "professionals"

 

A 15.2 for a 4th gen wouldn't be too bad at the drag strip at SLC. It's elevation is 4600ft. The NRHA correction factor is something like 0.96sec for the elevation.

I doubt he's anywhere near 4600ft, so a 15.2 is prolly a pretty $hitty. And a 14.4 for with a 2002 max with a 100shot of juice is laughable. I smell a troll.

 

ok for the guys talking bout numbers in the high 14's low 15's thats ridiculous, a stock 4th gen runs mid high 14s stock, and guess what ur friends 01, yea fast engine but heavy *** car and probably auto right, im a 5speed 96 with dek, and in the 01s the ecu is set to open the oovi at 5000rpm, my msd switch opens it at 4400rpm right now, so actually 13.8 isnt all that outta the blue im sure theres lots of max's on here runnin around that, and if those are ur times at lacr go to there website and they will show u how to convert that into the actual time u would get at a flat track, due to the incline u would normally have a better run, check it out, ok and to MAXGORDON, lol dont worry about whether its cali or fed spec, and dont worry about the precats and exhaust, just get the engine, itll work, the only exhaust u have to worry about is if the egr tube of the back header will line up with ur 4th gen egr system , me tho i just cut all that out, dont need it, and i dont have weight reduction or ecu tune, and the oovi its the manifold that comes with the dek engine dude, lol ull have it too

 

How does this help? .. Dyno proof

Not where I'm from

I'd like to see pics of your exhaust set-up ..sounds interesting

 

haha, when i get a camera i will, my exhaust is ugly its not store bought or mandrel bent, its just galvonized pipe i think welded and bent and stuff

 

oh yea, and theres a thread on here somewhere in all the vi threads how it would be more efficient to open it at like 4600, i keep tryin different chips all the time and i stuck with the 4400 one, not sure if theres proof but it feels better...

 

5200RPM is best for VI to open up, if you open it up any sooner you loose torque.

As for 01 5spd being a heavy pig, I dunno but my car weights only 100lbs more than a 99 5spd- stock for stock, and I have quite a few weight reduction items on my car, like no precats in the manifolds, no stock manifolds, no steel hood, light weight 17" wheels vs 15" steelies, flywheel, udp, no stock exhaust, all these mods alone shaved off 145lbs off my cars curb weight when repleaced with lighter, better high performance aftermarket items. So my HEAVY 01 probably weights less than yours does when its in FULL race trim.

Read up bout Maximas specs before you make stupid statements like that, newbie.

 

Without some significant weight reduction and tuning, it's extremely hard for any 3.0L to break into the 13's. Most of the 3.5/6spd folks are running low 14's, a few are in the high 13's. SR20DEN blows everyone else out of the water who's N/A.

If you were a deity and weighed 95lbs, I might say 13.8 is possible without weight reduction and tuning. Timeslip por favor.

 

What do you mean you keep trying different chips? Doritos? Lays? Fritos? JWT? TS? The ECU in a 4th gen has nothing to do with when the VI opens, the RPM switch opens it. The best place to open up the 00vi is between 5000 and 5200rpm. The nissan engineers spent a lot of time designing the 00VI and figured out the best place to open it would be at 5000rpm. Different mods may alter that slightly, but now way it's at 4400 or 4600rpm.

 

ok i kno ur car weights more then 100lbs more then mine, and my car weighs a bit less due to i took some un needed stuff off around the car,so when it comes down to it, no ur car doesnt weight less sorry,infact i had a carbon fiber hood for a while, didnt do a damn bit of difference, and all the weight reduction if not major didnt make nething different for me and just cause ur ecu is set to open the vi at 5200 doesnt mean its most efficient, u cant change yours i can and i feel power difference in mine, i speak from experimenting with all , u havent tried anything but what u r stuck with , the flywheel lightening i cant talk about cause ive never done that, alls i kno is that if u raced me my car would probably pull on u hard, every 00-02 that i race is no challenge here , only the new max's put up a fight

 

see, thats what im saying. with the info he's given, 13.8 is not attainable. opening at 4400? Are you kidding me? Dyno it and you'll see the dip in hp/tq until you reach 4900/5000 rpm. What chip are you talking about? And if you arent tuned, another reason why i dont believe it, you will be running rich since the 4th gen ecu is programmed for different injectors. Even if you weighed 45 lbs i wouldnt believe the 13.8.

 

i put lays chips in it

 

no, i have the msd rpm switch u have to either plug in a **** with rpms from like a 3k range to a 4k range in 200 increments, or like i do now, just pay 5 bucks a chip , plug it in the side and it opens at the rpm , the rpm the little chip is set at

 

lol, an 02 max would put up more of a challenge than the "new" maximas. maybe you meant 00-01, but that would go to show your lack of knowledge

 

ok honestly guys im kinda sick of arguing that time, believe , dont, doesnt matter, my car is hella fast for a max, i kill all my other friends max's bad dont kno cant explain it but i do, im not down with the fighting stuff , im just on here to learn and to help ppl that want help, k thanks

 

yea ur right, i couldnt remember what year the 3.5 started , i dont really follow those cause i guess im not that interested unless i had one

 

and dont say i lack knowledge just because i couldnt remember the year of a model that i dont follow, if i lacked knowledge i wouldnt have been able to put a dek in by my self with no experience, also all the extra engine work, body work interior /exterior work , i did everything to my car myself, yea kinda proud of that fact haha

 

I give you kudos for putting in a DE-K, but BlackBirdVQ would walk all over you.

He has:

-tuning
-extrude honing
-an ECU matched with the engine (01 engine with 01 ECU)
-prolly better driving skills
-headers
-full catback
-UDP
-light flywheel
-some other mods that I'm forgetting


You have:
-Richy Rich A/F ratio, especially in the high RPMs.
-opening up your VI in the wrong RPM range
-100lbs lighter
-home depot galvanized steel exhaust


A CF hood may not make a measureable difference in the butt dyno or in the 1/4 mile, but combined with other weight reductions, it will make a difference. It's simples physics.

The more I think about it, the more I think that there's no way in hell a 13.8 is possible with your setup. Not with your getto home depot y-pipe, getto exhaust, and lack of tuning. With the rich A/F ratio and your getto exhaust, you might be making less power than the car came with stock.

You *need* to get a SAFC and tune it. You're probably losing a lot of HP because of the rich A/F ratio and getting crappy gas mileage as well. By cutting back the fuel, you'll also be advancing the timing as well because the ECU will use more agressive timing maps when it thinks less air is coming in. Your catback exhaust may not be causing a power loss, but a custom y-pipe prolly is. Get a real y-pipe.

 

+1 SR71...thats what im starting to think...that there is no way it's possible without being tuned. With tuning, MAYBE. But with the rich A/F, there's no way. But he said he did it...at a track known to be slow...so should he be like mid to low 13s? Highly doubt it, but maybe home depot exhausts really do add power...

 

it might actually be 10,000 im not sure all i know is i ran 4/10th faster at a different track, and i know there isnt anything wrong with my driving becuase im jugding my times agaisnt other cars that go to the track and the differences are about right, everyone seems to run a lot slower....For example the g35s/350z's running 14.7-14.8 and the 05(ls2) gtos running 14.4......but enough talk about this, it isn't even relevant to the thread....

 

no no no, ok on the exhaust trust me , im making power there a lot, and my vi isnt opening at the wrong time, just for u ok , ill go tomorrow and put the 5200 **** back on and double check but i bet 10 bucks its lil slower, with less pull definently, yea i am running rich i think its robbin me a little , but i dont wanna buy the afc or jwt , maybe the greddy, but im just gonna go have it computer tuned by a pro i think, i want my rpms all the way till 8k too, but i wont push it there, thats one thing im not sure of is whats a peak rpm range for me, i kno the vi peaks more at higher rpms, question is what exact rpm

 

why dont you dyno it and find out...