is there anyone else besides dandy max that has good #s from using an EU?

I realize it does alot...but do we actually need it? majority of us maxima owners won't get past headers/IM....a simple afc tune will cover that...now I realize some go turbo or built na...this is where EU would be beneficial...but the big question is, is the EU really worth it for the average maxima tuner? more than an AFCII? if nobody has else has EU #s on the dyno besides dandymax....i would like to see more to prove its worth it

 

Well a member on altimas.net is putting down around 260-265 whp with his car tuned with a EU as well.

 

I doubt it... but I think that's also too subjective of a question.

 

It just depends on how far you are willing to go. With that comes the fact that you need to spend time with it and not just think the gains will come if you take it to a dynoshop and they tune for you.

There will be trial and error, more failures than rewards, until you start getting more familiar with it.

This is for the enthusiast that actually knows how exactly their car works, and how it reacts to different parameter changes.

It's not for everyone.

That's my opinion.

 

That's Velicos and he's putting down 260/258. He has the 5MT, stock cams, bolt-ons, and the EU. His baseline before tuning with the EU was already 248 whp, so the 12 whp from tuning is still similar to what the Apex units do.

Here's a link to his EU review:

http://www.lanknights.net/cteague/eManageLite.doc

 

he was at 248whp untuned? do you know what mods he had when he ran that baseline?

man that sure is impressive...and yes, 12whp from tuning is nothing an apex-i vafcii can't do (harmbone2k2 got 14whp)....when I think of EU, i'm thinking of 20whp range....dandymax is pushing 220whp on a vq30...thats damn impressive if u ask me...

 

hey puppet, do u have any more info on that altima? thats real impressive...248whp...or maybe thats a norm over there becuz of there more efficent 5spd tranny

 

If all goes as planned this spring, I expect to be into the 230-240whp range easily on my 3L... N/A (no juice or boost)... and without aftermarket cams or flywheel either. Stay tuned..

What's amusing to me is people saying my power #'s are due to the EU. Well at this point, they're really not, for the most part. I have done nothing timing-wise with it yet, and whatever I've used it for so far could also have be done with other readily available means. I think there are other better, but less obvious explanations for the results I've gotten...

However having said that I do think the EU will be a powerful tool at full functionality though, which I expect to have soon. And I have talked many times with Velicos and I know what he's done with it. As far as whether the EU is right for a particular person.. well it's up to that individual. What kind of goals the person has, their level of knowledge and ability, what features they would actually use vs what's available, cost etc.. all those things play into it. If someone is just going to slap on some bolt on's and adjust A/F and stop there the EU is probably overkill.

 

hey Dandy...you haven't touched your timing but still able to squeeze 220whp!?! thats crazy man....most vq30s with bolt ons and VI+ECU are barely squeezing 200whp....how is that your 20whp over the rest of the gang...without even touching the timing?

 

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Many orgers neglect the obvious and expect similar gains with the same 'mods'... when some items aren't totally considered an aftermarket modification....

Elbow grease > *

 

I am no professional, and only just getting started with my Maxima (2nd year now-it's very much a work in progress), and there are others more knowledgeable than I, but FWIW, here's my philosophy on it:


1. Each mod is not complete on its own. Rather, the end goal for the car as a whole is the puzzle, and each mod should fit into the final picture by adding to the whole. The whole can be greater than the sum of the parts.

2. To borrow a phrase from the weight reduction world - "take care of the ounces and the lbs will take care of themselves". In my experience attention to detail is often what makes the difference between "good" and "great" results. This usually requires patience, extra time and effort, and elbow grease.

3. Modification IMO, does not mean just slapping on a bolt-on part. Yes that can be a big part of it, but when I look at my car I am always thinking of ways of customizing and improving systems and/or parts that are already on the car or that I am in the process of putting on the car.

 

the difference between a 5spd and a 6spd is not far apart.

 

its not that far...but its enough to put out noticeably higher #s than maximas...and with us being heavier, it doesn't help much either

 

so wait is AFC tuning illegal?

 

Why wouldn't it be?

 

yes very illegal

 

I have seen no proof to suggest they put out more power, and the advertised weight for the 2002 Altima was 1 pound heavier than the 2002 Maxima.

 

it's all subject to the dyno. what's important is not the peak gains. is how smooth your power curve becomes. how much you gained on your power curve. I see an advantage on the eu for nitrous people who can retard timing and make a big shot. f/i obvious reasons. N/A? i don't see the point unless you are planning to go crazy.
velicos did make 260 whp up in north carolina. who knows what correction they used . 248 seems high for an untuned vq35

 

when I went to the altima boards...I normally see 240s and maybe a 250 being the norm for I/H/E/tuning over there....I don't see any maximas pushing those #s over here...

and according to edmunds, here are the specs of both 2002s

Altima = Curb Weight: 3178 lbs.
Maxima = Curb Weight: 3224 lbs.

its only when the 05's came out, the altima gained weight and is 1lb heavier than the 5.5 max...pre 05 altimas were lighter than 5.5 gen maxes....25-30lbs isn't big...but i'm just sayin, 2002 altima is lighter than a 2002 maxima

 

That might be Edmunds, but understand that I looked both cars over with a fine tooth comb before I decided to go with the Maxima over the Altima. I went by Nissan's published data of that year.

 

This thread just turned into an Emanage thread.

 

The question is will I need double the points? Realisticly are those 12 extra points needed? The S-AFC 2 has 12 and they are spread out over a 200 rpm The V-AFC 2 has 24 and they are spread over 100 rpm. Also another thing that somebody migth answer is the installation of these untis. Since the S-AFC 2 is for a MAF and the V-AFC 2 is for a MAP sensor what needs to be modified becasue I am assuming that the voltage readings will be different between the MAP and MAF sensor. Also the Vtec option will never be used so there is no point in that. But the V-AFC 2 has a low V-tech and a high V-tech which is for us the VI. So low V-tech will be the VI not open and High V-tech will be with the Vi open correct? But then for people that have a IM that is always on the short runners there is no point in high and low v-tech correct? And bot of these units are exactly the same except for the things that i just described right?

 

I just noticed on that document that this guy dynoed his car on the CPRace dyno. This basically means the numbers are worthless compared to a Dynojet.

I need to track this guy down and have him run on our dyno at P1atuo, he WON'T go away happy if he does.

 

this isn't just the only altima in the 240s...i've seen quite a few over there....

iirc, there aren't any 5.5's that dyno in the 240s...i know your 263, but you have further mods including that SSIM...that one guy Jon610 did like 244whp but hes got an SSIM too...has anybody with a 5.5 gen dyno in the 240s with just i/h/e/tuning?

 

248whp at CPR = 230whp on a dynojet.

 

i hope i will lol. anybody want to answer my questions?

 

Ulysis did 250. And many of those Altimas in that range are posting STD numbers which again don't directly compare to my SAE number of 263. My STD number was 270whp.


If people want to play this dyno numbers game they should be forced to play fair.


One day this summer I'll put my car on the dyno at CP and simply present the results to everyone, along with brand new Dynojet results and the results from our Mustang Dyno at P1. It will be my new signature on all of the message boards.

 

Yes, with all bolt ons... No AFC or SSIM.

 

I agree, I've PM'd many of the 240-250 whp alti guys demanding files, and most didn't know they were (runfiles)

And many (not all) of them don't state what correction factor was used.

 

Who?

10charsc

 

He doesn't post anymore.

Mods were everything except for what I said earlier.

He had UDP/I/H/E/TS FS/Flywheel..

ULISES got there(252) w/o any tuning but he had a cool IM

 

His car actually was slightly worked over by TS, but not to the extent of my liking.

 

Here is a link to more awesome work by that same race shop.

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...AD23CA9564.htm

 

I knew that dyno screenshot looked familiar...


Maybe with a twin "blower" set-up I'll break 250 whp...

 

Didn't you just dyno 240 with no tuning?

 

You don't need help breaking 250whp on their dyno.

 

I did...but I didn't want to include myself until I saw some other members...

so Manny...who is the guy?

 

Interesting thread. I can't believe I missed this one.
I hope there is a place local to me.

 

what exactly did u miss?

 

what exactly did you miss?