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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 03:07 PM
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Great reading for the tuning n00bs

Info about tuning the Air Fuel Ratio on a car:
http://www.bristoldyno.com/tech/airfuel.htm
Good quotes about the AFR tuning----You should read the entire article though.

The "best" air/fuel ratio for a particular vehicle is a matter of great debate and I will do my best to avoid that debate in this article. Simply put, there are a number of factors that one must consider in determining the best ratio, including power, safety, and fuel economy. Fuel economy is the easiest to understand, as a lower air/fuel ratio means more fuel and obviously lower fuel economy. As far as safety is concerned, richer is considered safer (to a point) as the extra fuel helps things run cooler. The lower temperatures help reduce the chance of autoignition and can literally keep engine components from melting. The safest air/fuel ratios are continuously being debated, but it is widely accepted that 13:1 is a good ratio for normally aspirated engines and 12:1 is good for forced induction engines. Many choose to go even richer, even 11.5:1. Autoignition (or "detonation" or "knocking") is considered a critical concern with rotary engines, and many tuners choose to go even richer than that. One must also keep in mind that these "safe" ratios are considered safe because they have been tried with many thousands of vehicles over many years by dyno operators that use the same equipment that most people are likely to encounter. Therefore, a safety margin that takes into account the accuracy of that equipment is inherently factored in. If it were common for turbocharged cars to blow up at 12:1 as measured on commonly used equipment, then the "safe" air/fuel ratio would have been lowered.
As far as power is concerned, I'll say only this: Every vehicle is different. If one wants to find the best air/fuel ratio for generating power, one should put the vehicle on a dyno and test it. Many believe that a particular ratio will result in the most power under any circumstances, and that belief is just too narrow-minded. There are far too many factors involved to make such blanket statements.
Yes I know that site says 14.6 is "stoich" IIRC it should be 14.7.

Another AFR article:
http://autospeed.com/cms/A_1595/article.html

Now for Ignition timing--Once again read the entire article.
http://www.bristoldyno.com/tech/ignitiontiming.htm

As an engine speeds up, the spark plug should fire earlier (timing should be advanced) for the simple reason that there is less time for the combustion to happen as the piston speeds increase. The engine tuner's job is to make that spark happen at just the right time throughout the rpm range. For those that want to get technical, it turns out that the spark should occur at a point so that the flame front travels through the mixture and burns it completely, and the heated, expanding combustion products reach a maximum pressure when the piston is about 15-20 degrees after TDC. With a dynamometer at his disposal, that job would be very easy if it weren't for all of the variables mentioned earlier. Fortunately, the effect those variables have is very well understood and they can be accounted for if the engine has the right management system.

http://autospeed.com/cms/title_Getti...2/article.html
New timing read, GREAT article for NA and BOOST

Happy reading.

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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 07:56 PM
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good f-ing reads
Old Jul 11, 2006 | 08:40 PM
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How dare you post useful info on the org.

How dare you.
Old Jul 11, 2006 | 09:17 PM
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I vote sticky. Especially in this forum, it's needed. I know nothing about tuning, so those articles are great for me.
Old Jul 12, 2006 | 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by sonicrunch
How dare you post useful info on the org.

How dare you.

Jk man, that was a good read and confirmed what I thought I knew
Old Jul 12, 2006 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
I am still looking for weather I should tune 12.7 - 13.0 - 13.2 - 13.5.
Go get on the dyno and find out!
Old Jul 12, 2006 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DandyMax
Go get on the dyno and find out!

130dolla an hour
That's how much it was last time I went. Hopefully it's less since I will use my wideband.
Old Jul 12, 2006 | 01:58 PM
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THANKS for the reading , also confirm what i lean (on this site)

but why i wonder why they always talking about 14.6 like you said ?? weird

cant wait to 3.5 swap + Eu
Old Jul 15, 2006 | 06:33 AM
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Figured this would get more interest...
Old Jul 15, 2006 | 10:19 AM
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Very informative information.

Isnt 13.5:1 a good A/F for most of us to strive for? I know call the cars are different and throwing it on a dyno would help to determine the best and exact ratio for your specific car. But most of us are running basically the same mods so a ratio in that area would be good. The only realy differences after our mods would be elevation level, air temperature etc.

I look forward to dyno testing and finding out. I'm guessing that 13.2 would be a good mixture
Old Jul 15, 2006 | 12:06 PM
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Don't believe the hype. A straight line isn't always the best. +1 for the a/f article.
Old Jul 15, 2006 | 12:11 PM
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It seems as if that is what most strive for. You see threads full of people complementing a dyno graph with a Flat A/F Line. Or people suggesting to tune and get a Flat A/F Line.

why is this?
Old Jul 15, 2006 | 06:10 PM
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Great shznit to read. Thanks a lot. I need this as I'm stepping into the Greddy EU tuning stage.
Old Jul 15, 2006 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by GodFather
Great shznit to read. Thanks a lot. I need this as I'm stepping into the Greddy EU tuning stage.
Feel free to PM me if you need to.
Old Jul 17, 2006 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GodFather
Great shznit to read. Thanks a lot. I need this as I'm stepping into the Greddy EU tuning stage.
im in the same boat as you. looking to tune my car to its maximum potential intill i can afford a supercharger.. then once there i can retune and pwn! haha


But +5 for these articles. very informative
Old Jul 23, 2006 | 08:30 PM
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I vote sticky. Especially in this forum, it's needed. I know nothing about tuning, so those articles are great for me.
I 2nd this to be a sticky
Old Nov 30, 2008 | 11:05 PM
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Thumbs up

2 years later and its still useful info.
Thanks for the resource kevlo.
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 06:30 AM
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if this becomes a sticky there is a very good thread in the nyc forum about tuning that should be added
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 06:58 AM
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This thread is already included in one of the stickies.
Old Aug 18, 2009 | 12:47 PM
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Added a new timing thread, it is awesome. Everyone should read
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great $hit. getting the whip tuned today after work matter of factttt
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