00VI Adapter Diagrams
#82
Originally Posted by Tatanko
Also, if anyone has pictures of how they have all the vaccuum hoses routed, where things are hooked up, which nipples need modified/removed/added-to, etc. that would be awesome. I've already done searches and they aren't of much help
#85
Originally Posted by DandyMax
That's because the hose routings can be done many different ways, and everyone's preferences/ideas are all different. There is no 1 correct way. Once you get doing the swap spend the time with the FSM diagram to figure out which line is what and then decide where/how you want to route them around.
#87
Originally Posted by chillin014
i can find caesars 00vi gallery for some reason..anyone else know where its at?
#88
Originally Posted by Business810
#89
Originally Posted by speed racer
I took off my adapter plates but I truelly think the only way to get the 4th gen IACV to work is to use a nipple that provides a good amount of flow. I used a 3/8" barb fitting and I thought the flow was too little.
#91
Only one way to find out. I'm avoiding the experiment and fabricating my own spacer plate and IACV mouting plate. I'm using 1 1/2" Pipe, so it will be the same as the stock opening.
#92
Originally Posted by toddemullins
Only one way to find out. I'm avoiding the experiment and fabricating my own spacer plate and IACV mouting plate. I'm using 1 1/2" Pipe, so it will be the same as the stock opening.
#93
Question to anyone that might read this:
Are the ECU pin-outs on Jime's website that he has listed for a '97 going to work if I try to use them for my '95? All I need to know for is to hook up my RPM switch, so I only need to know which is the RPM signal/tach.
AND...where did you happen to mount your RPM switches at? I'll have a sizeable MSD box to mount.
Also, does anyone have the EC (engine control) page for the PDF version of the FSM? I don't have it, and re-downloaded the FSM from phatg20.net and it seems to be missing (for '95 atleast).
Are the ECU pin-outs on Jime's website that he has listed for a '97 going to work if I try to use them for my '95? All I need to know for is to hook up my RPM switch, so I only need to know which is the RPM signal/tach.
AND...where did you happen to mount your RPM switches at? I'll have a sizeable MSD box to mount.
Also, does anyone have the EC (engine control) page for the PDF version of the FSM? I don't have it, and re-downloaded the FSM from phatg20.net and it seems to be missing (for '95 atleast).
#94
Ah, it's not really all that much trouble. I picked up a 4"x4"x2" block of 6061, a piece of 3/8" 6061 plate, and a piece of 1.5" O.D. pipe from a local aluminum supplier for around $20. A little drilling here, a little tapping there, followed by a little TIG welding, and you're done.
#95
Originally Posted by toddemullins
Ah, it's not really all that much trouble. I picked up a 4"x4"x2" block of 6061, a piece of 3/8" 6061 plate, and a piece of 1.5" O.D. pipe from a local aluminum supplier for around $20. A little drilling here, a little tapping there, followed by a little TIG welding, and you're done.
#96
Originally Posted by toddemullins
Ah, it's not really all that much trouble. I picked up a 4"x4"x2" block of 6061, a piece of 3/8" 6061 plate, and a piece of 1.5" O.D. pipe from a local aluminum supplier for around $20. A little drilling here, a little tapping there, followed by a little TIG welding, and you're done.
#97
Originally Posted by toddemullins
Ah, it's not really all that much trouble. I picked up a 4"x4"x2" block of 6061, a piece of 3/8" 6061 plate, and a piece of 1.5" O.D. pipe from a local aluminum supplier for around $20. A little drilling here, a little tapping there, followed by a little TIG welding, and you're done.
#98
Originally Posted by speed racer
2" is thick. You could make it with 1/2" or even 3/4" inch at most. Where will the remote location be?
#99
Originally Posted by chillin014
Where do you get the metal from? The iacv plate looks fairly easy but I haven't seen the tb one. What do you mean by remote location?
#100
Well, I'm in the process of putting together a detailed account of my 00VI installation including part numbers, cost, templates for plates and adapters, as well as detailed photos of each step. It will all be in .pdf format and available on cd after the project is done. Unfortunately, it is going to take a while to complete the installation because of this.
The plate comes from a company called Research Alloy in Columbus Ohio. The reason the TB spacer is 2" thick is because the IACV has to mount to the plate which requires the same airflow as stock, through a 1"+ tube. The design is very similar to what you've seen on Stephenmax car and some others.
There is a ton of time involved in making the plates and spacer if you want it to be high quality. You basically have to have or have access to machining tools such as a drill press, upright band saw, various hole saws, a TIG (tungsten inert gas) welder and good taps. If you have the tools and the time, anyone can make them.
The plate comes from a company called Research Alloy in Columbus Ohio. The reason the TB spacer is 2" thick is because the IACV has to mount to the plate which requires the same airflow as stock, through a 1"+ tube. The design is very similar to what you've seen on Stephenmax car and some others.
There is a ton of time involved in making the plates and spacer if you want it to be high quality. You basically have to have or have access to machining tools such as a drill press, upright band saw, various hole saws, a TIG (tungsten inert gas) welder and good taps. If you have the tools and the time, anyone can make them.
#101
As far as remote installation, there are two ways you can do it. Build a plate and tube design that runs directly off the air intake as it passes the TB and into the UIM (similar to stock) or use fittings and hose to remotely mount it. The latter is obviously easier, but I am not completely sold on the idea that the IACV will work properly. When you live in Ohio or cold climates, being able to start your car and have the idle adjust properly is important to me. If I lived in a warm climate, I would not be as concerned.
#102
Originally Posted by toddemullins
As far as remote installation, there are two ways you can do it. Build a plate and tube design that runs directly off the air intake as it passes the TB and into the UIM (similar to stock) or use fittings and hose to remotely mount it. The latter is obviously easier, but I am not completely sold on the idea that the IACV will work properly. When you live in Ohio or cold climates, being able to start your car and have the idle adjust properly is important to me. If I lived in a warm climate, I would not be as concerned.
#103
Originally Posted by Tatanko
Well I just decided to bust out the dremel and try my luck. The results are good
Sorry for the crappy pic, and I forgot to do a before shot, so I pieced everything back together to do the comparison. What you see on the left is the height it normally is, and on the right is after I hacked out all the length inbetween.
There's the outside tube that you see, and then an internal tube as well (not really sure why). Hacking it the way I did, I kept the 90 degree bend section as well as the very top of the internal tube. I then hacked it almost right at the base. What I plan to do is put the top of the internal tube right onto the base and then put that 90 degree bend section over top of it. Need to go buy some more JB weld
Sorry for the crappy pic, and I forgot to do a before shot, so I pieced everything back together to do the comparison. What you see on the left is the height it normally is, and on the right is after I hacked out all the length inbetween.
There's the outside tube that you see, and then an internal tube as well (not really sure why). Hacking it the way I did, I kept the 90 degree bend section as well as the very top of the internal tube. I then hacked it almost right at the base. What I plan to do is put the top of the internal tube right onto the base and then put that 90 degree bend section over top of it. Need to go buy some more JB weld
i actually bought the same pcv valve as you and will be attempting to hack and jb weld it tonight. hopefully get the 00vi in and running tomorrow.
#104
Originally Posted by aznsap
i actually bought the same pcv valve as you and will be attempting to hack and jb weld it tonight. hopefully get the 00vi in and running tomorrow.
#105
Man good luck I tried it but mine got stuck so I gotta buy a new one and try again. Tatanko just straight up cut off the inside tube that's what I'm gonna do and then shorten the 90 angle piece and "glue" that straight on. I just hope the travel and fact that the inner nipple is gone doesn't have any negative effect.
Hey tatanko why can't you just use the injector o rings already on your stock manifold?
Hey tatanko why can't you just use the injector o rings already on your stock manifold?
#106
Originally Posted by chillin014
Man good luck I tried it but mine got stuck so I gotta buy a new one and try again. Tatanko just straight up cut off the inside tube that's what I'm gonna do and then shorten the 90 angle piece and "glue" that straight on. I just hope the travel and fact that the inner nipple is gone doesn't have any negative effect.
Hey tatanko why can't you just use the injector o rings already on your stock manifold?
Hey tatanko why can't you just use the injector o rings already on your stock manifold?
chillin, I could use the o-rings on the car but I just want to be safe...don't want to take the chance that the current ones could be on their last leg or something, because then removing them could be it for them. I don't know, maybe I'll remove one and see what kind of condition it's in and just clean them before I put them in my new, drilled manifold.
#108
Originally Posted by Tatanko
I wish mine were going on that soon I still have to pick up some injector o-rings, the lower manifold -> heads gaskets, still waiting on my adapter plates to be made, still have to do some modifications to the manifold, and I need to do SOMETHING with my intake...not sure what. I don't feel like ordering another accordian section from Nissan, so I think I'll just buy a cheap eBay CAI or something like I should have done a long time ago.
i'm reusing the o-rings, reusing the lower manifold->head gaskets, using a 5th gen TB w/ IACV, and my fingers are crossed. i have a feeling it may not work out and i just have to return my setup back to stock. oh and i'm also using the stock intake resonator and accordian section hooked up to my jwt popcharger. i'm hoping the accordian section can stretch out far enough to where i need it.
actually, my friend, nismo3112 came by tonight to dremel the pcv valve and jb weld it for me, and also drill a hole in my throttle cable bracket since all i have is the 4th gen one. i guess i'll know by tomorrow night and i'll let you guys know how it goes.
#109
Originally Posted by aznsap
i'm reusing the o-rings, reusing the lower manifold->head gaskets, using a 5th gen TB w/ IACV, and my fingers are crossed. i have a feeling it may not work out and i just have to return my setup back to stock. oh and i'm also using the stock intake resonator and accordian section hooked up to my jwt popcharger. i'm hoping the accordian section can stretch out far enough to where i need it.
actually, my friend, nismo3112 came by tonight to dremel the pcv valve and jb weld it for me, and also drill a hole in my throttle cable bracket since all i have is the 4th gen one. i guess i'll know by tomorrow night and i'll let you guys know how it goes.
actually, my friend, nismo3112 came by tonight to dremel the pcv valve and jb weld it for me, and also drill a hole in my throttle cable bracket since all i have is the 4th gen one. i guess i'll know by tomorrow night and i'll let you guys know how it goes.
"Dremel the PCV valve" eh? What do you mean? You mean you're doing the same mods to it as I did? Definitely let us know what it's like, whether or not it works right, how easy it is to access with the 00VI on, whether it clears, etc.
#110
Originally Posted by aznsap
i'm reusing the o-rings, reusing the lower manifold->head gaskets, using a 5th gen TB w/ IACV, and my fingers are crossed. i have a feeling it may not work out and i just have to return my setup back to stock. oh and i'm also using the stock intake resonator and accordian section hooked up to my jwt popcharger. i'm hoping the accordian section can stretch out far enough to where i need it.
actually, my friend, nismo3112 came by tonight to dremel the pcv valve and jb weld it for me, and also drill a hole in my throttle cable bracket since all i have is the 4th gen one. i guess i'll know by tomorrow night and i'll let you guys know how it goes.
actually, my friend, nismo3112 came by tonight to dremel the pcv valve and jb weld it for me, and also drill a hole in my throttle cable bracket since all i have is the 4th gen one. i guess i'll know by tomorrow night and i'll let you guys know how it goes.
#111
Originally Posted by speed racer
If you have anti-lock brakes than using one air duct (accordian section) won't work. I am using two air ducts the 4th gen resonator and the stillen pop charger. The fact is that the 00VI puts the TB closer to the firewall and you need to extend the intake tubing so that the resonator box is not being obstructed by the anti-lock system by the brake master cylinder.
#112
Gahh. I still have a wiring question that never got answered in my other thread. Since I have the MSD 8969, it comes with cylinder # settings, and reccomends 1-cylinder for cars with coil packs. Is that the setting I should be using if I'm tapping the ECU tach wire?
EDIT: Nm, Jime answered my questions.
EDIT: Nm, Jime answered my questions.
#114
Originally Posted by Tatanko
That's good. As long as you're not attempting to use all the stock pre-bent hoses with the stock midpipe, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. Although it may not fit simply because of lack of space, I'm not sure. Since we gain some low end with this swap, I'm willing to take the plunge to full CAI on this swap and lose 2 WTQ (or atleast have a straight through midpipe in place of the stock box one...but I'll leave the accordian section).
"Dremel the PCV valve" eh? What do you mean? You mean you're doing the same mods to it as I did? Definitely let us know what it's like, whether or not it works right, how easy it is to access with the 00VI on, whether it clears, etc.
"Dremel the PCV valve" eh? What do you mean? You mean you're doing the same mods to it as I did? Definitely let us know what it's like, whether or not it works right, how easy it is to access with the 00VI on, whether it clears, etc.
tatanko- i did the same thing as you to the pcv valve.
*ATTN* it did not work for me. here's pic w/ the modified pcv valve:
you can see even if the upper is touching the lower on the left, on the right there is a little less than 1cm before the egr guide tube is flush w/ the upper. if you wanted to have the egr guide tube flush w/ the upper, it just rock over and there would be a gap in between the lower and upper.
therefore, you're going to need either a) an elbow that fits in the pcv valve grommet, but the part that connects to the hose will have to be of minimal diameter OR b) just get the 5th gen valve cover.
at this point my car is back to stock since i need it. maybe winterbreak i'll attempt this again. not sure, i may sell my 00vi setup (upper, drilled 4th gen lower, 5th gen TB+IACV, jbwelded all the things i was supposed to, 5th gen egr guide tube) if i can get a good amount i'll defnitely think about it. i'm starting my 2nd year of medschool and i really don't have much time to be messing around w/ this and it's already become more of a chore than something enjoyable.
#115
Originally Posted by chillin014
you have any pics of your set up? i just bought a new resonator/accordian air duct cause mine broke but its not like i have any couplings to replace it with..
Here the picture
#117
I'll be going to Lowe's tommorrow to pick up an elbow. aznsap, do you think one with a diameter as big as the PCV valve opening (the hole on the valve cover) is going to fit under the manifold? That would place it at almost the same height above the cover as my current PCV valve.
Also, you mentioned the EGR guide tube creating problems involved with this. Since I'm removing the EGR system as part of my swap, will that allow me to mount things so they clear better? I'm sort of confused as to your description of how your manifold sits.
Also, you mentioned the EGR guide tube creating problems involved with this. Since I'm removing the EGR system as part of my swap, will that allow me to mount things so they clear better? I'm sort of confused as to your description of how your manifold sits.
#118
Originally Posted by Tatanko
I'll be going to Lowe's tommorrow to pick up an elbow. aznsap, do you think one with a diameter as big as the PCV valve opening (the hole on the valve cover) is going to fit under the manifold? That would place it at almost the same height above the cover as my current PCV valve.
Also, you mentioned the EGR guide tube creating problems involved with this. Since I'm removing the EGR system as part of my swap, will that allow me to mount things so they clear better? I'm sort of confused as to your description of how your manifold sits.
Also, you mentioned the EGR guide tube creating problems involved with this. Since I'm removing the EGR system as part of my swap, will that allow me to mount things so they clear better? I'm sort of confused as to your description of how your manifold sits.
okay, if you have an elbow w/ the same diameter on both bends, i don't think it will work well. getting rid of EGR gets rid of one problem, but i'm worried that if you 00vi upper is sitting on your fat elbow, it may not be totally flush w/ the lower IM, do you see what i'm saying? the 5th gen gaskets aren't as thick as the 4th gen ones either. the same pcv valve that we modified is deceptively higher than it looks, because the flat round part doesn't sit in the grommet, and it's of decent thickness.
i went to a menards to look around for an elbow and didn't come up with anything, please let me know if you find anything. it would have to be a certain material that can withstand high temps, so either a similar plastic to the pcv valve or i was thinking maybe even a metal elbow might work.
so i think i saw a thread before how somebody modified their 4th gen rear valve cover, but i can't find it. i think vipervadim did the work, i sent him a pm but haven't heard a reply yet.
#119
Originally Posted by aznsap
okay, if you have an elbow w/ the same diameter on both bends, i don't think it will work well. getting rid of EGR gets rid of one problem, but i'm worried that if you 00vi upper is sitting on your fat elbow, it may not be totally flush w/ the lower IM, do you see what i'm saying? the 5th gen gaskets aren't as thick as the 4th gen ones either. the same pcv valve that we modified is deceptively higher than it looks, because the flat round part doesn't sit in the grommet, and it's of decent thickness.
i went to a menards to look around for an elbow and didn't come up with anything, please let me know if you find anything. it would have to be a certain material that can withstand high temps, so either a similar plastic to the pcv valve or i was thinking maybe even a metal elbow might work.
so i think i saw a thread before how somebody modified their 4th gen rear valve cover, but i can't find it. i think vipervadim did the work, i sent him a pm but haven't heard a reply yet.
i went to a menards to look around for an elbow and didn't come up with anything, please let me know if you find anything. it would have to be a certain material that can withstand high temps, so either a similar plastic to the pcv valve or i was thinking maybe even a metal elbow might work.
so i think i saw a thread before how somebody modified their 4th gen rear valve cover, but i can't find it. i think vipervadim did the work, i sent him a pm but haven't heard a reply yet.
#120
Originally Posted by Tatanko
At this point, I'm basically saying screw it. I'll likely end up ordering a 5th gen rear valve cover from a junkyard, they aren't that expensive.
don't forget the 3 rear coils. if that guy that modifies the valve cover does it for a reasonable price (less than the cost of a used 5th gen valve cover and rear coils), i may just end up doing that.