00'VI / JWT Ecu Setup ?
09-18-2006, 05:42 PM
#41
Originally Posted by Cdg2125
Ok cool. Any idea if that writeup works the same with the v-acf 2? The v-acf 2 is better than the JWT as well so I won't need to upgrade that.
Don't forget that without the JWT, you'll be stuck with the stock rev limit.
09-18-2006, 06:01 PM
#43
Originally Posted by Cdg2125
damn I forgot about the rev limit. Well idk if I would need the extra rev for now. I guess I'll go with msd and then get the jwt later if I find one for cheaper.
09-18-2006, 06:14 PM
#44
well Im going to need either the apex or the msd 8969 anyway right? The JWT will possibly come later. I dont know about money. It could be very far in the future, idk. But you and todd did the msd correct?
Btw I think I'm going with setup 8 on your site. I think that's my favorite and doesnt require too much money and work. Did you go with the 00 valve cover? I wanted to go with that because I didnt think there was modification needed to it. Am I wrong?
:edit: I'm looking at this thread in the motor forum about the v-acf II tuning or the JWT ECU. A lot of those guys said to go with the v-acf II which makes me think that the JWT wouldnt be necessary with the v-acf II.
Btw I think I'm going with setup 8 on your site. I think that's my favorite and doesnt require too much money and work. Did you go with the 00 valve cover? I wanted to go with that because I didnt think there was modification needed to it. Am I wrong?
:edit: I'm looking at this thread in the motor forum about the v-acf II tuning or the JWT ECU. A lot of those guys said to go with the v-acf II which makes me think that the JWT wouldnt be necessary with the v-acf II.
09-18-2006, 06:38 PM
#45
Originally Posted by Cdg2125
well Im going to need either the apex or the msd 8969 anyway right? The JWT will possibly come later. I dont know about money. It could be very far in the future, idk. But you and todd did the msd correct?
Btw I think I'm going with setup 8 on your site. I think that's my favorite and doesnt require too much money and work. Did you go with the 00 valve cover? I wanted to go with that because I didnt think there was modification needed to it. Am I wrong?
:edit: I'm looking at this thread in the motor forum about the v-acf II tuning or the JWT ECU. A lot of those guys said to go with the v-acf II which makes me think that the JWT wouldnt be necessary with the v-acf II.
Btw I think I'm going with setup 8 on your site. I think that's my favorite and doesnt require too much money and work. Did you go with the 00 valve cover? I wanted to go with that because I didnt think there was modification needed to it. Am I wrong?
:edit: I'm looking at this thread in the motor forum about the v-acf II tuning or the JWT ECU. A lot of those guys said to go with the v-acf II which makes me think that the JWT wouldnt be necessary with the v-acf II.
Setup 8 won't be nearly as cheap, since you'll have to source a PF throttlebody (isn't cheap in itself). I am using an '00 valve cover, yes, however I'm stubborn and retarded and modifying my 4th gen coil packs rather than buying '00 ones. So far it looks like all I'll have to do is flip them around and drill a new hole in their little mounting tab next to their existing hole.
The V-AFC 2 is better than the JWT because essentially (with some other tricks) you can do everything the JWT can (and more), minus raising the rev limiter. It's also cheaper.
09-18-2006, 06:47 PM
#46
Ok Im starting to see the difference between the two now. Well I've found the pf tb's for fairly cheap on car-part.com. What year would I need to look for, just to be sure. I'm a little confused on the valve cover still. What mods need to be done if the 00 cover is used with 00 coil packs, or if the 4th gen cover and all. I see and hear so many damn ways to do this I get confused with everything haha.
:edit: I found a 1997 PF TB for $35 on car-part. It says no tps sensor tho? Also found a q45 TB for $54 will this fit the TB Adapter plate?
:edit: I found a 1997 PF TB for $35 on car-part. It says no tps sensor tho? Also found a q45 TB for $54 will this fit the TB Adapter plate?
09-18-2006, 07:29 PM
#47
Originally Posted by Cdg2125
Ok Im starting to see the difference between the two now. Well I've found the pf tb's for fairly cheap on car-part.com. What year would I need to look for, just to be sure. I'm a little confused on the valve cover still. What mods need to be done if the 00 cover is used with 00 coil packs, or if the 4th gen cover and all. I see and hear so many damn ways to do this I get confused with everything haha.
:edit: I found a 1997 PF TB for $35 on car-part. It says no tps sensor tho? Also found a q45 TB for $54 will this fit the TB Adapter plate?
:edit: I found a 1997 PF TB for $35 on car-part. It says no tps sensor tho? Also found a q45 TB for $54 will this fit the TB Adapter plate?
The 1997 would be no good. You want non-e-gas VQ35 PF throttlebodies, which is 01-03 I believe, but I could be wrong. The Q45, however, should work. It isn't the same, and not many people have used it, so you'll have to do your own research on that. The same adapter plate will not work with all throttlebodies, you need one custom-tailored to the throttlebody you'll be using (4th gen, PF, Q45, etc.).
09-18-2006, 07:35 PM
#48
Damn. I have no idea who could make a Q45 adapter plate. I'll have to look for the 01-03 pf. I didnt no about the non-e-gas thing.
So using the 00 valve cover and coil packs is cool. How many do I need? Anything change with the front coil packs?
So using the 00 valve cover and coil packs is cool. How many do I need? Anything change with the front coil packs?
09-19-2006, 03:32 AM
#49
Originally Posted by Cdg2125
Damn. I have no idea who could make a Q45 adapter plate. I'll have to look for the 01-03 pf. I didnt no about the non-e-gas thing.
So using the 00 valve cover and coil packs is cool. How many do I need? Anything change with the front coil packs?
So using the 00 valve cover and coil packs is cool. How many do I need? Anything change with the front coil packs?
You'll need all 3 rear coil packs if you decide to use them. Front stays the same.
09-19-2006, 08:33 AM
#50
Originally Posted by Cdg2125
The msd or v-afc 2 is spliced into the ecu wires and set to the specific rpm right?
The VAFC-II has a lot more wires than that, but you don't actually have to hook the other ones up until you're ready to tune your car.
Originally Posted by Cdg2125
:edit: I'm looking at this thread in the motor forum about the v-acf II tuning or the JWT ECU. A lot of those guys said to go with the v-acf II which makes me think that the JWT wouldnt be necessary with the v-acf II.
The VAFC-II is good because it's cheap, it can activate your VI by itself, and it can let you create a tuning program that is customized to your vehicle. The downsides are that it only really controls your air/fuel mixture, has a small and indirect effect (if any) on your timing, takes time to install, and requires you to spend time on a dyno to tune it.
The JWT ECU is a completely new program including new air/fuel and timing maps, as well as an extended rev limiter that will be excellent in combination with your new VI. It has the potential to give you greater power gains than you could ever get with just a VAFC-II. It is also completely plug-and-play, and requires NO wiring work or dyno time whatsoever. On the downside, a JWT ECU obviously costs a lot more and cannot activate your VI, which adds even more to the cost since you will have to purchase an RPM switch in addition.
The real cost of a JWT ECU in your case is ~$600 plus the $115 for the RPM switch, which is a good $250 more than the cost of a VAFC-II plus tuning. Is it worth it? That's your call. In all honesty, you'd have a hard time finding a mod for $250 that would give similar gains.
Personally, since I only ever drive my car on the street, even an untuned DE-K + Y-pipe setup is just about good enough for me and I can't remotely justify the extra cost of a JWT ECU. I also have an RPM switch that I could sell to partially offset the cost of a VAFC-II, so that kind of seals the deal (assuming I can actually get the VAFC-II for what I think I can). But, as I said, that's really just me.
09-19-2006, 09:34 AM
#52
Originally Posted by NmexMAX
They offered to add an activation point for mine for 200$ more
I stand corrected.
That doesn't really sound economical, though, considering that it costs so much more than an MSD 8969 and cannot be adjusted...
09-19-2006, 11:36 AM
#53
Well its a tough call because there seems to be a few combo's that can be used. I would probably go for the msd rpm switch and then wait to get the JWT. I donyt have access to a dyno and that would be extra money to find and use one. So I think that with the VI with the rpm switch and a new exhaust setup will give me enough gains that I would want for daily driving till I can afford the JWT ECU.
09-20-2006, 11:46 AM
#57
WoW, that is a really great work on that site. Big Props for you ,Tatanko! But i have a question, which TB is the best to go with, when you take setups 6-8, I mean with lower 4th gen IM? Thank you.
09-20-2006, 11:51 AM
#58
Originally Posted by DuMKuH
WoW, that is a really great work on that site. Big Props for you ,Tatanko! But i have a question, which TB is the best to go with, when you take setups 6-8, I mean with lower 4th gen IM? Thank you.
09-20-2006, 11:56 AM
#60
Originally Posted by DuMKuH
I want the setup which will work the best failurewise, so I wouldn't have problems in the future...
09-20-2006, 12:00 PM
#62
I just wanted to add that I cannot recommend Spec clutches to people anymore after my experience with 2 of their stage 2's. The first one had a spring pop out of the disk in less than a year, and now about a year after that one was fixed, I'm having a problem with my new Nissan TO bearing. Either Tilley is doing something wrong in the install, or Specs aren't to be trusted.
09-20-2006, 12:03 PM
#63
Originally Posted by DuMKuH
And Stephenmax makes both adaptor plates for 4th gen IACV and PF TB?
09-27-2006, 08:05 PM
#70
Hey I know this might not make sense, it's late and Im just looking around the forums tho....is there a cover like the 3.5 or the MEVI has that would fit somewhat over the 00vi swap? I'm sure there isnt since no one has done it. I just like that look and would be cool to have with the 00vi.
:edit: also, any parts from 2000-2003 with work for the swap correct? doenst all have to be the same year for everything?
:edit: also, any parts from 2000-2003 with work for the swap correct? doenst all have to be the same year for everything?
09-27-2006, 08:41 PM
#71
Originally Posted by Cdg2125
....is there a cover like the 3.5 or the MEVI has that would fit somewhat over the 00vi swap?
Originally Posted by Cdg2125
also, any parts from 2000-2003
) are different than 00-01(3.0L DEK ) ..
09-27-2006, 08:49 PM
#72
hey thanks for that quick response. I can't believe I forgot about the 3.5L. I do feel like a dumbass but what about the cover? Any details on being able to install it in the 4th gen for the 00vi swap? Also where is the best place to the cover?
09-27-2006, 09:02 PM
#73
For a 5th gen, the P/N's are in the link, and at the bottom of the link, that's the cover on a DEK.
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...24&postcount=3
Here
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...24&postcount=3
Here
09-27-2006, 09:12 PM
#74
Ok thanks for that link for the hardware. Will I have to do the 5th Gen UIM and LIM swap to make it fit? My guess is that it won't fit correctly with just swapping the 5th Gen UIM.
And South Point Nissan says the sell them but they are not on the website for some reason. Ever dealt with them?
And South Point Nissan says the sell them but they are not on the website for some reason. Ever dealt with them?
09-27-2006, 09:38 PM
#75
Originally Posted by Cdg2125
And South Point Nissan says the sell them but they are not on the website for some reason. Ever dealt with them?
09-27-2006, 10:04 PM
#76
Well I have no idea who to deal with. I just want to know if I do the 00vi swap, which exact things should I be using to fit this cover. Do I need to do the 5th Gen LIM and the UIM or can it be used if I just swap the 5th UIM? My guess was that I would have to do the UIM and the LIM to make the cover fit. But will the cover even fit in my 4th gen?
09-28-2006, 03:32 AM
#77
I was once told it fits even with the 4th gen USIM. How, I don't know, that's just what I was told. I'm not honestly sure how it's even secured...the only 2 bolts I see holding it on have to go into little "posts" sticking out of the 5th gen front valve cover that the 4th gen front valve cover doesn't have.