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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 12:13 PM
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Old Aug 8, 2008 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by LA02MAX

Alright here's the long awaited update, and I'm afraid it's not what ya'll want to hear.

I made the test fit this morning, and unfortunately everything seems to be spaced out about 4mm or so. The distance between the bolt holes and studs on the two heads is larger on the new VQ than it is on ours
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How the heads still have the same part #, I haven't the slightest of clues.



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If the L32 block has a taller deck height, L32 heads on a DE block might still be too *far *apart for the LIM to fit. The injector distance thing could be easily fixed by using an L32 fuel rail, methinks.
I'm a little confused here still and need some clarification. Als, just double check my correction to your *misspelling above.

The cliffs of what I took from all of these three posts are:

The studs sit to much on the inside of the L32 LIM, because the L32 LIM was designed for a block with a taller deck height. And the L32/HR heads are possibly dimensionally the same as DE ones? IE location of LIM flange surface in relation to headgasket surface might be the same between all vq's.

Is this correct?

Also, did you mention that complete head assembelies for both L32 and HR have the same part #'s, yet individually everything is different. If so, yes, that's odd.
Old Aug 8, 2008 | 08:44 PM
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If the L32 block is taller the heads would still sit too CLOSE together to mount the L32 LIM since the taller the deck height, the more the heads are spaced out relative to each other.




And regarding the part #'s, you are correct.


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And after checking both the L32 and A33B FSM, the spec for deck height (as defined by the distance from the main bore centerline to the deck) is identical between the two.






Old Aug 12, 2008 | 12:53 AM
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If I were to pick up this item manifold, I would cut the shelf out. Basically an atempt at a plastic SSIM
Old Aug 14, 2008 | 07:11 AM
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would gains really be noticable??
Old Aug 14, 2008 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by mastercater7
If I were to pick up this item manifold, I would cut the shelf out. Basically an atempt at a plastic SSIM
IMO, defeats the purpose of it, since it is a pseudo and as close as possible to an SSIM BUT still includes VIAS, so no low end loss.

My theory anyhow.

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would gains really be noticable??
Difficult to say at this point since the L32/A35 engines are different not only by the IM.
Old Aug 15, 2008 | 09:26 AM
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IMO, defeats the purpose of it, since it is a pseudo and as close as possible to an SSIM BUT still includes VIAS, so no low end loss.
Agreed.
Old Aug 16, 2008 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
The FSM doesn't really give a good explanation as to when that occurs. It might be more complex than just a certain RPM, etc.

Either way, it is a superior design to the A33B. But the heads & LIM need to be figured out first, IMO.
me thinks it may be triggered like the old ve30de manifold. not by rpm but by a pressure solinoid. anyone follow me or did someone spike my honeycomb?
Old Aug 16, 2008 | 10:09 AM
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Old Aug 16, 2008 | 10:50 AM
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so i was close?
Old Aug 16, 2008 | 10:55 AM
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Manifold pressure is not a part of the logic.
Old Aug 16, 2008 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by nismology
Manifold pressure is not a part of the logic.
burn in hell logic. so how does the vq's with the MEVI work? is it the same set up as this?
Old Aug 17, 2008 | 02:58 PM
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VI'd USDM'd A32's work on RPM.

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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by nismology
And after checking both the L32 and A33B FSM, the spec for deck height (as defined by the distance from the main bore centerline to the deck) is identical between the two.
Then wtf? What explains the additional distance between the LIM studs then? The patterns were the same and if the head and block deck heights are the same between engines, what's making it not fit?
Old Aug 21, 2008 | 11:18 AM
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Looks like it comes down to stud placement. Using this pic (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...6/DSC01378.jpg) as a reference and looking at the spare 3.5 LIM that I have, it appears that the stud holes are closer to the center of the port on the L32 LIM when looking from the side. This would of course, move the stud holes outward if looking at it from the top. Looks like L32 heads would do the trick. They are surprisingly cheap too.


Pic taken with my phone, but you get the point.


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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 11:21 AM
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As a side note, the L32 LIM is >>> the regular LIM in terms of how straight a shot it is from the UIM to the heads. I suppose that's where the extra height comes from. That alone would be good for a few horsies.
Old Aug 21, 2008 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by nismology
This would of course, move the stud holes outward if looking at it from the top. Looks like L32 heads would do the trick.
How many times have I said that.


With that said, what would that do to CR re: DE pistons?
Old Aug 21, 2008 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
How many times have I said that.



I wasn't sure of that myself until now though. I guess I needed to convince myself. The block height issue was a very real possibility though, no?



Evidence-based conclusions FT*?
Old Aug 21, 2008 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by nismology


Originally Posted by nismology
I wasn't sure of that myself until now though. I guess I needed to convince myself. The block height issue was a very real possibility though, no?
I hadn't gone that far 'down' yet.


BTW:



Now, we just need a scale on each pic.


sniff...sniff... I smell .... thread merge

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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackwind
me thinks it may be triggered like the old ve30de manifold. not by rpm but by a pressure solinoid. anyone follow me or did someone spike my honeycomb?
Now that I see the light, combination of throttle angle &/or load perhaps from MAP?
Old Aug 21, 2008 | 12:56 PM
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TPS + MAF + RPM = load.
Old Aug 21, 2008 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by nismology
TPS + MAF + RPM = load.
Which =
Engine "load" is just the ratio of the current airflow to a pre-determined "peak" airflow number. It is independent of speed and only really depends on engine speed and throttle position.
Old Aug 21, 2008 | 02:13 PM
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Truth. In any case, the MAP sensor is not needed for this system.
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If it fit, I could use the EMU to control it, right?
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