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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 12:43 PM
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Decisions, decisions, decisions - clutch time

Here is a quick rundown of the car. 3.5 swap, ypipe/headers, SSIM, Stillen flywheel, motostorm underdrive pulley, phenolic lower intake spacer, pathfinder throttle body. I currently have a SPEC stage 3, which I think is overkill.

I want to downgrade to a different clutch, with lighter pedal feel, but still want good gripping force for good amount of spirited driving. I was specifically looking at:

-Exedy OEM Replacement Clutch Kit #06044 – Your Price - $144 shipped

-Exedy Stage 1 Organic Clutch Kit #06803A - Retail Price - $446.51 - Your Price: $291 shipped

-SPEC Stage 1 #SN441
Torque Capacity: 360 ft/lbs.
Retail Price: $319.00 - Your Price: $274 shipped

-SPEC Stage 2 #SN442
Torque Capacity: 395 ft/lbs.
Retail Price: $349.00 - Your Price: $301 shipped
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 12:59 PM
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I have a Spec stage 2 on my swap, and athough the rating is overkill for the amount of power Im making, its not as if its a stiff clutch beating the living out of my tranny like say ACT clutches like to do with their ubber-stiff pressure plates. If its working fine for you and its not creating hell for your drivetrain, then why bother changing it? Unless you want to sell it to me for a reasonable price :-D I kid I kid

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well, the reason i want to possibly change it out is because of winter. I can never smoothly ease off the stiff-*** pedal because my shoes are wet, and it slips, and theres no tolerance for such behaviour on a Stage 3, lol. My foot has to be in the air to semi-smoothly release the pedal, and that is a *****, until my shoes and the pedal drys up from the heat.....
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 01:12 PM
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well, the reason i want to possibly change it out is because of winter. I can never smoothly ease off the stiff-*** pedal because my shoes are wet, and it slips, and theres no tolerance for such behaviour on a Stage 3, lol. My foot has to be in the air to semi-smoothly release the pedal, and that is a *****, until my shoes and the pedal drys up from the heat.....
F that, I drive barefoot. No traction problems here lmao! I cant drive with shoes on, lol

How many miles on your clutch? Cus from my experience and that of others that I've talked to, the Spec clutches (at least stage 2 and up) are pretty hard to smoothly engage 1st gear for just over the first 1000 miles. IDK if maybe they require a longer break-in period (not so according to the instructions from Spec) but 1st gea used to shatter like hell until maybe 1200 mi that it smoothed itself out and it became super easy to engage.
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 01:17 PM
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It came with the car, but Im pretty sure is has more than 1k miles on it.
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 01:18 PM
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but then again, are you sure that the clutch was broken in properly? -since you didnt do that yourself
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Oh yea, another question. When you are just easing off the clutch without adding throttle, does your car shake the **** outta you as the clutch is trying to grab? like on stock cars there is almost no shaking whatsoever and it is very smooth if only releasing the clutch. knowwhat I mean?
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 01:19 PM
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but then again, are you sure that the clutch was broken in properly? -since you didnt do that yourself
good theory....
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 01:31 PM
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Oh yea, another question. When you are just easing off the clutch without adding throttle, does your car shake the **** outta you as the clutch is trying to grab? like on stock cars there is almost no shaking whatsoever and it is very smooth if only releasing the clutch. knowwhat I mean?
Well, the car will shake, but not due to the clutch skipping around, it'll do it because of the rpms dropping and the engine is trying to stay on. I seriously havent had clutch shatter since the first 1000 miles (oh and a few weeks ago cus I was teachin a lady friend how to drive stick... she musta burnt the f out of it, lol but w/e after a week all of a sudden it went back to normal... self-revitalizing clutch FTW!)

Also, ask Nismo3112, he had a Spec Stg 3 on his swap (no point asking the new owner of the car since he stuck the ubber 6spd on it, lol). IIRC, he said his clutch was smooth as stock when driving normal, and ubber grip when getting on it.

Edit- that being said... I suspect you have a clutch that was not broken in properly.
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 01:35 PM
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better yet, i should let someone who has driven on a stage 3 before(or not) try driving the car and letting me know what they think of it?
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 01:37 PM
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better yet, i should let someone who has driven on a stage 3 before(or not) try driving the car and letting me know what they think of it?
sounds like a plan. I think the new owner (the s/n slipped my mind, its the dude with the 6spd swap sticky IIRC, lol) lives in IL as well
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 01:40 PM
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I pretty sure i know who ur referring to, I think hes actually selling that car right now..
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 01:45 PM
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I pretty sure i know who ur referring to, I think hes actually selling that car right now..
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=396124
^^him!^^ lol

Il, IN, close enough, lol
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by goldtooth
well, the reason i want to possibly change it out is because of winter. I can never smoothly ease off the stiff-*** pedal because my shoes are wet, and it slips, and theres no tolerance for such behaviour on a Stage 3, lol. My foot has to be in the air to semi-smoothly release the pedal, and that is a *****, until my shoes and the pedal drys up from the heat.....
sounds like it's time for some NISMO pedals hehehe.. your foot will never slip and you'll gain at least 3.2HP
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 02:56 PM
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Would they actually help me in this application? (Seriously) Cuz I can drive fine on the stage 3 just the pedal is starting to aggrevate me. Link me to some pics and places to purchase please. Thanks
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 04:53 PM
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spec clutchs are complete and utter trash. I have seen 3 spec clutch explosions in person. two of those cars were actually totaled by insurance because of the damage. i have heard of many more spec clutch explosions. I cannot say this adamantly enough, YOU COULD NOT PAY ME to run a spec clutch in my car. stay as far away from them as you possibly can or you may learn the hard way.

go with the exedy.
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 06:04 PM
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Anyone know the torque spec for the Exedy Stage 1 Racing Clutch? I did some research and came up with 231-295-320 ft/lb....? That sounds way too vague.... Also, assuming I get the Exedy Stage 1 Racing clutch, I should expect a much different pedal feel as compared to the SPEC stage 3?

One more thing, the Exedy Stage 1 Racing clutch should hold all the power Im making correct? (mods @ post #1) I don't plan to boost anytime in the near or present future.

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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by goldtooth
Anyone know the torque spec for the Exedy Stage 1 Racing Clutch? I did some research and came up with 231-295-320 ft/lb....? That sounds way too vague.... Also, assuming I get the Exedy Stage 1 Racing clutch, I should expect a much different pedal feel as compared to the SPEC stage 3?

One more thing, the Exedy Stage 1 Racing clutch should hold all the power Im making correct? (mods @ post #1) I don't plan to boost anytime in the near or present future.
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...55&postcount=5
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I think Exedy measures their clutches in clamping force at the pressure plate, and not the typical ft/lbs. of torque like many of the other manufacturers. IIRC the Exedy Stage I is 1760 lb/in., the OEM 4th gen is 1275 lb/in. and the 5th gen is 1400 lb/in.
Most specific information I could find in a quick search.
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 07:07 PM
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I seen that already. How to convert those figures to ft/lb?
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Originally Posted by goldtooth
I seen that already. How to convert those figures to ft/lb?
I would imagine just divide by 12, as regular in/lbs, but that produces some very low figures.

I somehow doubt the Exedy stage 1 only handles 146 ft/lb of torque...
Old Nov 23, 2007 | 10:43 AM
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I back up neoloc187... spec clutches ARE garbage. I have a stage 2 and its a real POS. I did the whole break in period drove it slow shifted like a granny and all for 3000miles... but when this pos clutch gets hot 1 it slips a bit... 2 it had a WORLD of clatter to it... the pedal feels like ****...even after i bleed everything still.

Ive had many clutches on my previous cars.. and i can tell you from expeirence spec clutches SUCK.... never again will i buy a SPEC product.
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I've heard both sides for spec clutches. I've heard either they are terrible or they are terrific.

I myself still have my spec stage 2 in my car, grabs well, feels like stock, all around excellent, maybe I just happened to get one of the good ones.

A Friend of mine was running the spec in his swapped car, then took the spec out, and put it in his 240 and its still a champ to this day.

Originally Posted by Nealoc187
spec clutchs are complete and utter trash. I have seen 3 spec clutch explosions in person. two of those cars were actually totaled by insurance because of the damage. i have heard of many more spec clutch explosions. I cannot say this adamantly enough, YOU COULD NOT PAY ME to run a spec clutch in my car. stay as far away from them as you possibly can or you may learn the hard way.

go with the exedy.
Neal, the spec explosions, what car was equipped with the spec?

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Oh yea, another question. When you are just easing off the clutch without adding throttle, does your car shake the **** outta you as the clutch is trying to grab? like on stock cars there is almost no shaking whatsoever and it is very smooth if only releasing the clutch. knowwhat I mean?
clutch chatter, usually experience during clutch break in process
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i've seen explosions from them in LS1 cars and DSMs, personally.
Old Nov 29, 2007 | 01:46 PM
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Okay, so I bought the Exedy Stage 1 Racing Clutch yesterday, and goddamn it was here today before I even got the tracking number!! LOL was NOT expecting that at all. sweet.
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Okay, so I bought the Exedy Stage 1 Racing Clutch yesterday, and goddamn it was here today before I even got the tracking number!! LOL was NOT expecting that at all. sweet.
I know that you've already bought the thing, but before you drop your tranny you may want to think about getting a stage 2. My brother's Exedy stage 1 used to slip a bit w/ just a 3.5 swap and an ECU.
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I'm just gunna hope for the best.... lol. How do your numbers look like with the V1?
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I'm just gunna hope for the best.... lol. How do your numbers look like with the V1?
I don't know--I haven't dynoed or taken the car to the track since I put in the v1.
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aha. but it feels like the stage 1 is holding up fine?
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aha. but it feels like the stage 1 is holding up fine?
It holds up fine on the street, but I think that I'd like a stage 2 so that I could launch more aggressively at the track. Also, according to my butt dyno, I'm not making as much torque as my bro's 3.5 swap.
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For anyone else:

Please don't go with spec. RPS clutches are SOOOOOOOOOOO INCREDIBLE!!!!!! Every comparable one is priced slightly higher, rated slightly less, but soooooooooooooooo awesome it's not even funny. Please, anyone who finds a spec appealing, get an rps instead.
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