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Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by spdfreak
As far as some I am concerned the HR oil pump isn't better, esspecially if your going the get max HP out of a VQ, which is the title of this thread.

To get as much hp out of a NA VQ you will need revs, and dandymax proved that the pump couldn't rev to 8k.
A Revup is NOT an HR. Revup motors came in 05 G35 coupe manuals, 350Z tracks and 350Z anv. and ALL 06 manual G's and Z's.

The HR is very different.
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by AltimaIceman
Revups have VVT on both intake and Exhaust Sides of the head, better rod bolts, and a better oil pump as well.
I'm aware, but since we were discussing heads I just noted the relevant differences.

The first VQ35's heads do flow like crap. I'll see if I can dig it up for you.
The Pathfinder VQ35 heads were very similar in design to the VQ30 heads but with 1mm larger intake valves. It's no surprise that they don't flow as well as Gen. II and III VQ35's.

But here, let me save you the trouble...
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...81&postcount=1

If you don't think so, how can a car with less drivetrain loss, and same mods put out less power?
Which two cars are you referring to?
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by nismology
I'm aware, but since we were discussing heads I just noted the relevant differences.


The Pathfinder VQ35 heads were very similar in design to the VQ30 heads but with 1mm larger intake valves. It's no surprise that they don't flow as well as Gen. II and III VQ35's.

But here, let me save you the trouble...
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...81&postcount=1


Which two cars are you referring to?
Gen 4 350Z heads flow over 340cfm for the record.
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by spdfreak
As far as some I am concerned the HR oil pump isn't better, esspecially if your going the get max HP out of a VQ, which is the title of this thread.

To get as much hp out of a NA VQ you will need revs, and dandymax proved that the pump couldn't rev to 8k.
First of all, DandyMax had a rev-up oil pump. Secondly, it wasn't the pump that was faulty. If you balance the rotating and reciprocating assemblies the rev-up pump is proven to be reliable above 8000 RPM. His bottom end was untouched.
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by AltimaIceman

The Revup does infact have VVT on both intake and Exhaust side. I'm 110% sure of that,
Tell us something we don’t know, (re: rev up having VVT on the I/E side of things) it’s in the stickys.
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:04 AM
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I'm not going to argue some points, but Someone tore down a pathfinder VQ and compared it to the 350Z vq, and commented on how everything from the cams, to the heads were ****.
youre talking early pathfinder here. they also had different intake, throttle body, ECU, vtc's. the early pathfinder has more parts in common with the vq30 than all the other vq35's

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The Revup does infact have VVT on both intake and Exhaust side. I'm 110% sure of that,
common knowledge. if anyone said otherwise it was a typo. were not talkin about the revup though. this is about the engine that came in 90% of 350z's
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:06 AM
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Jesus, let's just post 73 posts in less than 5 minutes mmmkay?
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:07 AM
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Jesus, let's just post 73 posts in less than 5 minutes mmmkay?

lolza, just trying to straighten this guy up
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by AltimaIceman
Gen 4 350Z heads flow over 340cfm for the record.
Gen. IV VQ35 = HR. Completely irrelevant to the discussion.


In any case, got a link? I'd like to see that.

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Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by nismology
Gen. IV VQ = HR. Completely irrelevant to the discussion.


In any case, got a link? I'd like to see that.
Stop being so smart, Stupid called, and they need your resume’ . IBhedeletesthispost.
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
Stop being so smart, Stupid called, and they need your resume’ . IBhedeletesthispost.



Shush! We're being schooled. Focus!!
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:29 AM
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chances are it wasnt the pumps fault. the case wasnt designed to run with a 3.0l, its designed to match the vibrations and whatnot of the hr. the pump is good to a stock revlimit of 7500, which means its most likely good to 8k+ in the same engine
Very possable, but no one will know till they ballance their rotating assembly and test it out.

Originally Posted by AltimaIceman
A Revup is NOT an HR. Revup motors came in 05 G35 coupe manuals, 350Z tracks and 350Z anv. and ALL 06 manual G's and Z's.

The HR is very different.
Originally Posted by nismology
First of all, DandyMax had a rev-up oil pump. Secondly, it wasn't the pump that was faulty. If you balance the rotating and reciprocating assemblies the rev-up pump is proven to be reliable above 8000 RPM. His bottom end was untouched.
I meant the rev up, but mixed it up with the HR as I usually do. Again, my mistake.
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by nismology



Shush! We're being schooled. Focus!!
Schooled would mean proof is readily available, or on order, and the delivery man is late.
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
Schooled would mean proof is readily available, or on order, and the delivery man is late.
He must be digging real deep into all that bull sh** because he hasn't posted in the last few minutes.
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:38 AM
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Gen IV is not the HR, because this testing was done before the HR was released.

Gimme a sec, I have the headflow numbers saved..
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by spdfreak
He must be digging real deep into all that bull sh** because he hasn't posted in the last few minutes.

You were saying?
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:44 AM
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*Waiting for someone to be a smartass.*
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:46 AM
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Something similar:
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=544013
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:48 AM
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How the hell do you dig up those threads so quickly?
I was looking for that!
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:50 AM
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I remember who started it so, that sorta narrowed down my search criteria.
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:51 AM
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Hey NmexMAX, I sent you a PM.
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
I remember who started it so, that sorta narrowed down my search criteria.
Good job.
You always beat me to it.
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:55 AM
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I know you did, I just didn’t feel like replying
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:56 AM
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I was goingto pull up some dynos of 350Z's that got to the 300whp mark with just a tune and bolt ons, and another dyno of a 350Z with a tuned cams, but its 5am. maybe tomorrow. But I think you understand.
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
I know you did, I just didn’t feel like replying
Can't you help a fellow member out?
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by AltimaIceman
I was goingto pull up some dynos of 350Z's that got to the 300whp mark with just a tune and bolt ons, and another dyno of a 350Z with a tuned cams, but its 5am. maybe tomorrow. But I think you understand.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=401360
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=357766
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=314559
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by spdfreak
Can't you help a fellow member out?
PM sent
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 02:27 AM
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Don't forget to check the pressure on the head flow data.. IIRC Joe's were done at 28 in-Hg, don't remember what the Cosworth tests were and I don't feel like bothering to search now but it's usually good to know it's apples to apples...

AFAIK there are only a very small few who have achieved a DYNOJET 300whp on an N/A VQ35, Adam at Z1 being the most recent. And he certainly has a lot more than "just a tune and bolt-ons." But hey, if there's others I haven't come across then I'll be happy to see a mod list and a Dynojet printout/file.

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Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AltimaIceman
Gen IV is not the HR, because this testing was done before the HR was released.

Gimme a sec, I have the headflow numbers saved..
According to Nissan literature, it goes as follows:

Gen I VQ35 = Pathfinder 3.5
Gen II VQ35 = Maxima/Altima/Murano/Quest 3.5
Gen III VQ35 = Non-HR RWD 3.5 (both revup and non-revup)

That leaves the HR as the Gen IV VQ35. Thanks for playing.
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AltimaIceman
I was goingto pull up some dynos of 350Z's that got to the 300whp mark with just a tune and bolt ons, and another dyno of a 350Z with a tuned cams, but its 5am. maybe tomorrow. But I think you understand.
awaiting said dynos and mod lists
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by AltimaIceman
You were saying?
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...81&postcount=1

and

http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...19&postcount=1 (which NmexMAX just posted)

Looks like cosworth's figures are inflated due to testing at a higher pressure. In any case, what are you trying to prove? The point is you were wrong about maxima/350Z heads being different.
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by nismology
According to Nissan literature, it goes as follows:

Gen I VQ35 = Pathfinder 3.5
Gen II VQ35 = Maxima/Altima/Murano/Quest 3.5
Gen III VQ35 = Non-HR RWD 3.5 (both revup and non-revup)

That leaves the HR as the Gen IV VQ35. Thanks for playing.
Wait, so Nissan DOES list the VQ in the G35/Z as a different generation vs the FWD cars? The SE-R uses the Gen III block then.

Cosworths test were on the DE/Revup motor, I was sure they were 4th generation.
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 02:07 PM
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Don't forget to check the pressure on the head flow data.. IIRC Joe's were done at 28 in-Hg, don't remember what the Cosworth tests were and I don't feel like bothering to search now but it's usually good to know it's apples to apples...

AFAIK there are only a very small few who have achieved a DYNOJET 300whp on an N/A VQ35, Adam at Z1 being the most recent. And he certainly has a lot more than "just a tune and bolt-ons." But hey, if there's others I haven't come across then I'll be happy to see a mod list and a Dynojet printout/file.
Adam from Z1 is a idiot. And he dynoed on a Dyno Dynamics dyno, which reads lower than a Dynojet. I know of members who dynoed near Adams Whp on a Dynojet.
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 02:16 PM
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Adams Dyno
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 02:17 PM
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Adam is an idiot thats gonna have a 4.1l. Maybe not a total idiot.
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Originally Posted by AltimaIceman
Wait, so Nissan DOES list the VQ in the G35/Z as a different generation vs the FWD cars? The SE-R uses the Gen III block then.
The SE-R is FWD, so it is a Gen II VQ. The reason they list the RWD VQ's as different is because the block is different (for obvious reasons), the oil pan is different, as well as the induction system. The non-revup heads are identical to FWD heads and pistons/crank/rods are the same. I've personally compared part numbers.

FYI, the SE-R engine is nothing special. Same internals as every other FWD VQ35.

Cosworths test were on the DE/Revup motor, I was sure they were 4th generation.
I don't care what cosworth calls it. All non-HR Z motors are Gen III.

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Old Dec 30, 2007 | 02:21 PM
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Adams Dyno
I don't mean to be rude, but we've seen this stuff already.
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 02:24 PM
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Look were I corrected someone on stating Adams dyno was done on a Dynodyamics and not a dynojet.
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Adam is an idiot thats gonna have a 4.1l. Maybe not a total idiot.
It's kwame that's gonna increase the displacement, last I knew.
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 02:35 PM
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On a side note, even if someone does reach 300 WHP without touching the bottom end, those horses won't be utilized fully without the ability to rev past the HP peak a significant amount reliably.



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