It's official. Cammed DE-K in!
07-30-2008, 03:38 AM
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It's official. Cammed DE-K in!
So if you didn't know I purchased DandyMax's cammed motor. I officially picked up my car today with the complete swap, Greddy EU, Innovative WB and Cattman Headers.
So we went out and did some datalogging and tunning. MAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!! It was fun, this car could pull. It was fun going to 7500rpm and it still wants to go and man does it get up there fast.
Again I couldn't thank DandyMax more as he did a great job on the swap and base tunning of the car. I recognize I won't get the 270whp he got out of it due to limitations (mainly damn auto tranny) but it's still amazing.
And man did I have fun on the way home. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
So we went out and did some datalogging and tunning. MAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!! It was fun, this car could pull. It was fun going to 7500rpm and it still wants to go and man does it get up there fast.
Again I couldn't thank DandyMax more as he did a great job on the swap and base tunning of the car. I recognize I won't get the 270whp he got out of it due to limitations (mainly damn auto tranny) but it's still amazing.
And man did I have fun on the way home. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Maybe even some vids. How is your cat-back set-up?
07-30-2008, 07:11 AM
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I just have a Budget B-pipe with stock muffler. I'm going to keep my MAF in.
07-30-2008, 07:16 AM
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Still trying to work out the a/f past 7200 as Dan and I spent a good part of last night trying to solve why the stock ECU is dumping so much fuel. I'll try to post the datalogs on the weekend if I get a chance. Once I get that fixed then I will try to book some dyno time. Unfortunately I am not as lucky as Dan to have good area's to due some street runs. Track times may have to wait until next year as I now a baby and things are always coming up.
I just have a Budget B-pipe with stock muffler. I'm going to keep my MAF in.
I just have a Budget B-pipe with stock muffler. I'm going to keep my MAF in.
Well, in any case, looks like a nice set-up and glad to see it being done on an auto.
I just hope people don't fail to see that your set-up will be quite different and people should not expect the same numbers, etc. Dandy had open exhaust, 5MT and a different tune, that is all very significant. I would like to see what that thing would put down with the stock muffler and stock airbox
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07-30-2008, 07:51 AM
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Do you still have a cat under there?
Well, in any case, looks like a nice set-up and glad to see it being done on an auto.
I just hope people don't fail to see that your set-up will be quite different and people should not expect the same numbers, etc. Dandy had open exhaust, 5MT and a different tune, that is all very significant. I would like to see what that thing would put down with the stock muffler and stock airbox :Wall:
Well, in any case, looks like a nice set-up and glad to see it being done on an auto.
I just hope people don't fail to see that your set-up will be quite different and people should not expect the same numbers, etc. Dandy had open exhaust, 5MT and a different tune, that is all very significant. I would like to see what that thing would put down with the stock muffler and stock airbox :Wall:
)On my intake I just have a filter at the end of the MAF (WAI setup) and I left the stock resonator in. The Cat is still there. May look into a test pipe in the future but I don't see that doing much.
07-30-2008, 08:15 AM
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on the highway. But
on the initial take off.
07-30-2008, 12:22 PM
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Good job guys. 
Do you know if Dan had to do anything beyond the ordinary (ordinary being what he states in his EU writeup) to get past the fuel cut at 6500rpms considering you have a 2000 Max?
I wish I could redline at 7200rpm's (maybe even 7500) in my '99...
Dan is the Man.
Do you know if Dan had to do anything beyond the ordinary (ordinary being what he states in his EU writeup) to get past the fuel cut at 6500rpms considering you have a 2000 Max?
I wish I could redline at 7200rpm's (maybe even 7500) in my '99...
Dan is the Man.
07-30-2008, 05:05 PM
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07-30-2008, 07:37 PM
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Actually now that I'm thinking about it, remember that crank POS code that popped up? I'm wondering if maybe your flex plate/timing ring/torque converter assembly isn't true enough or balanced well enough at that rpm.. maybe the crank signal starts to get wonky and hence the ign timing too... hmmm... I've never taken an auto up that high before so I don't have any comparison but I know the manuals don't experience that of course. This will require more playing with it to see what's actually happening post 7300...
His car threw quite a few challenges at me including a horridly stuck axle/hub so at times I was cursing lol but in the end it was all back together. (Darn Montreal cars eh Kev? lol)
Almost no intake restriction, ease of fabrication for custom intakes/diff TB's etc, can be useful to run a speed-density tune on a boosted car etc. But not necessary for most cars, the downside is a lot of tuning time to do it well. N/A it's probably not what most people will choose, consider the big MAF options around also...
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07-30-2008, 07:47 PM
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Just FYI, as for key differences in the mods between his car and mine they are as follows:
VIAS Power valve: mine was removed, his is not
TB: mine was a Pathy, his is 5th gen
Intake: mine was MAF-less and custom fabbed, his is WAI.. basically MAF, resonator, and filter
Tranny: I was 5MT, he is 4AT
Exhaust: I had full Cattman all the way, and an exhaust cutout before the cat. He has Catttman headers, Budget B-pipe and stock muffler, not sure what make of cat he has (but it is there) and no cutout
There are a few other differences that would contribute to whp levels being different and of course the 1/4 mile will only introduce more variables and differences... but the engine internally is the same - same valvetrain, VQ35 oil pump with oil pressure cutoff switch etc
VIAS Power valve: mine was removed, his is not
TB: mine was a Pathy, his is 5th gen
Intake: mine was MAF-less and custom fabbed, his is WAI.. basically MAF, resonator, and filter
Tranny: I was 5MT, he is 4AT
Exhaust: I had full Cattman all the way, and an exhaust cutout before the cat. He has Catttman headers, Budget B-pipe and stock muffler, not sure what make of cat he has (but it is there) and no cutout
There are a few other differences that would contribute to whp levels being different and of course the 1/4 mile will only introduce more variables and differences... but the engine internally is the same - same valvetrain, VQ35 oil pump with oil pressure cutoff switch etc
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07-30-2008, 08:26 PM
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The issue I had on the top end past 7300 was not so much fuel related.. the problem was the ign timing jumping all over the place.. ran out of time to attack that area further (as you know) but the car does seem to go to just about 7300 pretty well until all the funkyness happens...
Actually now that I'm thinking about it, remember that crank POS code that popped up? I'm wondering if maybe your flex plate/timing ring/torque converter assembly isn't true enough or balanced well enough at that rpm.. maybe the crank signal starts to get wonky and hence the ign timing too... hmmm... I've never taken an auto up that high before so I don't have any comparison but I know the manuals don't experience that of course. This will require more playing with it to see what's actually happening post 7300...
His car threw quite a few challenges at me including a horridly stuck axle/hub so at times I was cursing lol but in the end it was all back together. (Darn Montreal cars eh Kev? lol)
Actually now that I'm thinking about it, remember that crank POS code that popped up? I'm wondering if maybe your flex plate/timing ring/torque converter assembly isn't true enough or balanced well enough at that rpm.. maybe the crank signal starts to get wonky and hence the ign timing too... hmmm... I've never taken an auto up that high before so I don't have any comparison but I know the manuals don't experience that of course. This will require more playing with it to see what's actually happening post 7300...
His car threw quite a few challenges at me including a horridly stuck axle/hub so at times I was cursing lol but in the end it was all back together. (Darn Montreal cars eh Kev? lol)
From now on I will research where a car is from before buying lol.
07-30-2008, 09:05 PM
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I got no problem with 7300 right now lol. I went out for a quick run tonight and think I hurt my neck when I stomped on it in second. The bogging was still there around the 7500 area but I wasn't logging at the time.
From now on I will research where a car is from before buying lol.
From now on I will research where a car is from before buying lol.
PS has the wife driven it yet.. what does she think of the new power?
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07-31-2008, 03:55 AM
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Wife hasn't driven it yet but she did come with me yesterday and she loved it especially the sound of the motor once VIAS kicks in.
07-31-2008, 05:49 PM
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Are you asking me?
It was the crank POS sensor. I wouldn't worry about it as long as it's driving normally. Every once and a while mine would throw it but generally only on a rough start/idle misfire etc which isn't a huge surprise with the cams but your ECU seems to be pickier and as I said there may be a balance issue at high rpm, we don't really know yet. Although it might help to check the freeze frame data with an OBD scanner to see at what rpm it detected the "misfire"
Thats true. I think I threw another cam position code (I think that's what it was before) but you said not to worry too much about it. Might just become a nuissance resetting it all the time.
Wife hasn't driven it yet but she did come with me yesterday and she loved it especially the sound of the motor once VIAS kicks in.
Wife hasn't driven it yet but she did come with me yesterday and she loved it especially the sound of the motor once VIAS kicks in.
08-01-2008, 03:27 PM
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Thats true. I think I threw another cam position code (I think that's what it was before) but you said not to worry too much about it. Might just become a nuissance resetting it all the time.
Wife hasn't driven it yet but she did come with me yesterday and she loved it especially the sound of the motor once VIAS kicks in.
Wife hasn't driven it yet but she did come with me yesterday and she loved it especially the sound of the motor once VIAS kicks in.
08-04-2008, 09:24 PM
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05-06-2009, 04:56 AM
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Bumping up an old thread with a vid during my dyno run for those who wanted to hear how the motor sounds. Mind you this is inside a shop.
- Cammed DEK, Cattman headers, Budget B-pipe, stock axle back
- Cammed DEK, Cattman headers, Budget B-pipe, stock axle back
05-06-2009, 05:15 AM
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Hey Dan, I see you did a great job again, that is making me salivate... Just so you know you inspired me for my DEK build. TDotMax, you are going to have a lot of fun with this car, but for most I think you are going to surprise a lot of car on the road, be careful you now on have a little one and the mommy that need your support.
05-06-2009, 07:54 AM
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Hey Dan, I see you did a great job again, that is making me salivate... Just so you know you inspired me for my DEK build. TDotMax, you are going to have a lot of fun with this car, but for most I think you are going to surprise a lot of car on the road, be careful you now on have a little one and the mommy that need your support.
05-06-2009, 09:18 AM
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I posted in the dyno section. 200whp, 183tq. I had some A/F and breathing issues with the stock axle back. Will be getting a Greddy Evo2 in a few months to help the breathing, also the new manifold spacer Aaron made. Once all that is sorted out I'm hoping 250 once I get it properly dyno tuned. Probably won't be until July.
05-06-2009, 09:23 AM
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I posted in the dyno section. 200whp, 183tq. I had some A/F and breathing issues with the stock axle back. Will be getting a Greddy Evo2 in a few months to help the breathing, also the new manifold spacer Aaron made. Once all that is sorted out I'm hoping 250 once I get it properly dyno tuned. Probably won't be until July.
05-06-2009, 10:09 AM
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05-09-2009, 11:49 PM
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Sorry to veer off topic but
It was the crank POS sensor. I wouldn't worry about it as long as it's driving normally. Every once and a while mine would throw it but generally only on a rough start/idle misfire etc which isn't a huge surprise with the cams but your ECU seems to be pickier and as I said there may be a balance issue at high rpm, we don't really know yet. Although it might help to check the freeze frame data with an OBD scanner to see at what rpm it detected the "misfire"
Would this be an issue of performance?? On the 3.5 swapped car I have... I keep getting the Crank POS code, we've replaced the crank POS with a new sensor, we've shaved it down a bit so it could reach the fly, we have no shavings on the magnet, etc.... car tends to backfire alot. Is there any way to solve this issue?
It was the crank POS sensor. I wouldn't worry about it as long as it's driving normally. Every once and a while mine would throw it but generally only on a rough start/idle misfire etc which isn't a huge surprise with the cams but your ECU seems to be pickier and as I said there may be a balance issue at high rpm, we don't really know yet. Although it might help to check the freeze frame data with an OBD scanner to see at what rpm it detected the "misfire"
