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01-22-2003, 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by Pearl96Max
Diamond Audio TDX12D4
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Diamond Audio TDX12D4
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01-22-2003, 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by MrCollegeGuy
Good Lord that's not even close to what I was asking for! Not only is it 1500 Watts but it's 4 Ohms!!! I can't even imagine paying that much for ONE sub.
Good Lord that's not even close to what I was asking for! Not only is it 1500 Watts but it's 4 Ohms!!! I can't even imagine paying that much for ONE sub.
Correction....it is dual 4OHMS....meaning you can run it at 8Ohm or 2Ohm....like YOU asked for....2Ohm...
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01-23-2003, 05:26 AM
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Originally posted by Pearl96Max
Correction....it is dual 4OHMS....meaning you can run it at 8Ohm or 2Ohm....like YOU asked for....2Ohm...
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Correction....it is dual 4OHMS....meaning you can run it at 8Ohm or 2Ohm....like YOU asked for....2Ohm...
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01-23-2003, 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by MrCollegeGuy
2 Ohm was ONE of the requirements. The other was 600W. The easiest way to blow a sub is to underpower it, which is asinine to do on a $400 sub.
2 Ohm was ONE of the requirements. The other was 600W. The easiest way to blow a sub is to underpower it, which is asinine to do on a $400 sub.
01-23-2003, 06:04 AM
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Originally posted by Pearl96Max
Uhhh isnt that exactly what I just said????
Uhhh isnt that exactly what I just said????
01-23-2003, 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by MrCollegeGuy
WTF? Go take some Paxil or something. Try putting together complete thoughts, too ("O really, now I always thought it was distortion..") and people might have a clue of what you're talking about. My point was that underpowering your speakers leads to distortion which leads to blown speakers. I don't know what you were trying to add...
WTF? Go take some Paxil or something. Try putting together complete thoughts, too ("O really, now I always thought it was distortion..") and people might have a clue of what you're talking about. My point was that underpowering your speakers leads to distortion which leads to blown speakers. I don't know what you were trying to add...
I am not the one getting all worked up over it, so please keep your Paxil jokes to yourself.
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01-23-2003, 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by Pearl96Max
When your original post was copied into my especially the part where it stated "the easiest way to blow a sub is to underpower it". I simply replied with " I thought it was the level of distortion".
I am not the one getting all worked up over it, so please keep your Paxil jokes to yourself.
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When your original post was copied into my especially the part where it stated "the easiest way to blow a sub is to underpower it". I simply replied with " I thought it was the level of distortion".
I am not the one getting all worked up over it, so please keep your Paxil jokes to yourself.
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01-23-2003, 09:13 AM
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A 1500 watt sub may also be overpowered by a 100 wtt signal. It's a matter of differentiateing between the voice coils thermal RMS limit and the extremes that the sub may be pushed in different enclosures. Build an SPL ported box and you can blow a huge voice coil. Also, FYI, the impedance is determined by the voice coils of the speaker, not the amp. But the enclosure also affects impedance as impedance varies depending on the position of the voice coil. Nominal impedance and actual impedance are quite different.
01-23-2003, 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by jmax
A 1500 watt sub may also be overpowered by a 100 wtt signal. It's a matter of differentiateing between the voice coils thermal RMS limit and the extremes that the sub may be pushed in different enclosures. Build an SPL ported box and you can blow a huge voice coil. Also, FYI, the impedance is determined by the voice coils of the speaker, not the amp. But the enclosure also affects impedance as impedance varies depending on the position of the voice coil. Nominal impedance and actual impedance are quite different.
A 1500 watt sub may also be overpowered by a 100 wtt signal. It's a matter of differentiateing between the voice coils thermal RMS limit and the extremes that the sub may be pushed in different enclosures. Build an SPL ported box and you can blow a huge voice coil. Also, FYI, the impedance is determined by the voice coils of the speaker, not the amp. But the enclosure also affects impedance as impedance varies depending on the position of the voice coil. Nominal impedance and actual impedance are quite different.
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01-23-2003, 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by MrCollegeGuy
COOL! Thanks for all the info! On that note, do you have any recommendations on what I should do? Don't you think it would sound better for me to run a single sub at or near 600W as opposed to 2 subs @ 300? What is better for a tighter cleaner sound? Right now I have 2 IDQ 12's running in a sealed enclosure off of a JBL BP600.1 amp. What would be a good single sub to run off of that amp in a sealed enclosure?
Thanks!
COOL! Thanks for all the info! On that note, do you have any recommendations on what I should do? Don't you think it would sound better for me to run a single sub at or near 600W as opposed to 2 subs @ 300? What is better for a tighter cleaner sound? Right now I have 2 IDQ 12's running in a sealed enclosure off of a JBL BP600.1 amp. What would be a good single sub to run off of that amp in a sealed enclosure?
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01-23-2003, 11:49 AM
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Diamond Audio M612D4
Diamond Audio M612D4
My M612D4 is taking a POUNDING at a true 600W RMS into 2 ohms. It takes it like a champ.
If you would open your eyes a little bit dude you would know that Pearl96Max is one of the MOST respected audiophiles/dealers on this forum. Appologize now and maybe he'll help you into a M6 12D4 like myself.
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01-23-2003, 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by namike
Well put!
My M612D4 is taking a POUNDING at a true 600W RMS into 2 ohms. It takes it like a champ.
If you would open your eyes a little bit dude you would know that Pearl96Max is one of the MOST respected audiophiles/dealers on this forum. Appologize now and maybe he'll help you into a M6 12D4 like myself.
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Well put!
My M612D4 is taking a POUNDING at a true 600W RMS into 2 ohms. It takes it like a champ.
If you would open your eyes a little bit dude you would know that Pearl96Max is one of the MOST respected audiophiles/dealers on this forum. Appologize now and maybe he'll help you into a M6 12D4 like myself.
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01-23-2003, 12:37 PM
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Hmm..how about Orion P2 or H2 subs.
http://www.orioncaraudio.com/subwoof...b_p_series.asp
http://www.orioncaraudio.com/subwoof...b_p_series.asp
Originally posted by MrCollegeGuy
I would definitely love to go with a JL Sub. That one is only rated for 250W though. Anything closer to 600W for around $200-$250?
I would definitely love to go with a JL Sub. That one is only rated for 250W though. Anything closer to 600W for around $200-$250?
01-23-2003, 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by MrCollegeGuy
WTF? Go take some Paxil or something. Try putting together complete thoughts, too ("O really, now I always thought it was distortion..") and people might have a clue of what you're talking about. My point was that underpowering your speakers leads to distortion which leads to blown speakers. I don't know what you were trying to add...
WTF? Go take some Paxil or something. Try putting together complete thoughts, too ("O really, now I always thought it was distortion..") and people might have a clue of what you're talking about. My point was that underpowering your speakers leads to distortion which leads to blown speakers. I don't know what you were trying to add...
dude, word to the wise, dont mess with don. secondly if he makes a recommendation it's obviously a good one. and third, shut the hell up.
01-23-2003, 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by MrCollegeGuy
I would definitely love to go with a JL Sub. That one is only rated for 250W though. Anything closer to 600W for around $200-$250?
I would definitely love to go with a JL Sub. That one is only rated for 250W though. Anything closer to 600W for around $200-$250?
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01-23-2003, 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by C-Dawg
Just like a drug dealer, always trying to push your product huh?
Just like a drug dealer, always trying to push your product huh?
Yes Sir, BUT drugs....bad for you,
Diamond Audio....good for you, your car will thank you too !
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01-23-2003, 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by MrCollegeGuy
Where can I go to look at the specs?
Where can I go to look at the specs?
http://diamondaudio.com/
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01-23-2003, 01:35 PM
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Eat me.
Eat me.
Then you waste everyones time by not giving all of the info up front on what you really want. See, what you really want is a cheapo sub that sounds like a million bucks at 2ohms that can handle 600 watts rms. hmmmm, If thats what you would have asked in the beginning we all could have given you and your question the respect that it deserves, and you would not have gotten flamed. Since thats not what you said, I would of course said Diamond tdx 12d4. Good Choice Don!!!
To answer your question then I would go with 1 kicker l7 or l5 but wait you don't want one sub either you want 2!!! Picky aint we!! why the hell dont you just keep the subs that you have?? Otherwise Kicker CompVr's will do you fine! See If you know what I know Namike was telling the truth when he said:
If you would open your eyes a little bit dude you would know that Pearl96Max is one of the MOST respected audiophiles/dealers on this forum. Appologize now and maybe he'll help you into a M6 12D4 like myself.
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01-23-2003, 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by Redmax
Ok What gets me MrCollegeGuy is that you didn't know what you were talking about in the beginning saying that underpowering a sub blows a sub. Jmax Handed you your a** nicely on that one. But you bashed Don on that one!! He only gave you the facts about distortion.
Then you waste everyones time by not giving all of the info up front on what you really want. See, what you really want is a cheapo sub that sounds like a million bucks at 2ohms that can handle 600 watts rms. hmmmm, If thats what you would have asked in the beginning we all could have given you and your question the respect that it deserves, and you would not have gotten flamed. Since thats not what you said, I would of course said Diamond tdx 12d4. Good Choice Don!!!
To answer your question then I would go with 1 kicker l7 or l5 but wait you don't want one sub either you want 2!!! Picky aint we!! why the hell dont you just keep the subs that you have?? Otherwise Kicker CompVr's will do you fine! See If you know what I know Namike was telling the truth when he said:
In closing I have only two things to say!!!
In the Words of Don " RockFart Sucks" Oh and
Hey Don, my TDX Still in your garage? I'll See you soon for it!!!
Ok What gets me MrCollegeGuy is that you didn't know what you were talking about in the beginning saying that underpowering a sub blows a sub. Jmax Handed you your a** nicely on that one. But you bashed Don on that one!! He only gave you the facts about distortion.
Then you waste everyones time by not giving all of the info up front on what you really want. See, what you really want is a cheapo sub that sounds like a million bucks at 2ohms that can handle 600 watts rms. hmmmm, If thats what you would have asked in the beginning we all could have given you and your question the respect that it deserves, and you would not have gotten flamed. Since thats not what you said, I would of course said Diamond tdx 12d4. Good Choice Don!!!
To answer your question then I would go with 1 kicker l7 or l5 but wait you don't want one sub either you want 2!!! Picky aint we!! why the hell dont you just keep the subs that you have?? Otherwise Kicker CompVr's will do you fine! See If you know what I know Namike was telling the truth when he said:
In closing I have only two things to say!!!
In the Words of Don " RockFart Sucks" Oh and
Hey Don, my TDX Still in your garage? I'll See you soon for it!!!
But of course it is in my car "in my garage"
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01-23-2003, 01:43 PM
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I don't like any of the rockford subs...especially the Punch series.
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What do you guys think about Rockford Fosgate Punch amps? They have the HX2 RFD2112 that's 500W RMS, 1000W Peak. Do you think that would be good?
What do you guys think about Rockford Fosgate Punch amps? They have the HX2 RFD2112 that's 500W RMS, 1000W Peak. Do you think that would be good?
01-23-2003, 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by Redmax
Ok What gets me MrCollegeGuy is that you didn't know what you were talking about in the beginning saying that underpowering a sub blows a sub. Jmax Handed you your a** nicely on that one. But you bashed Don on that one!! He only gave you the facts about distortion.
Ok What gets me MrCollegeGuy is that you didn't know what you were talking about in the beginning saying that underpowering a sub blows a sub. Jmax Handed you your a** nicely on that one. But you bashed Don on that one!! He only gave you the facts about distortion.
Ok genius, Underpowering ANY speaker and driving it too far on the little power you are giving it WILL blow it. If you don't believe me, that's fine. I don't have time to teach your a** a physics lesson.
Then you waste everyones time by not giving all of the info up front on what you really want. See, what you really want is a cheapo sub that sounds like a million bucks at 2ohms that can handle 600 watts rms.
hmmmm, If thats what you would have asked in the beginning we all could have given you and your question the respect that it deserves, and you would not have gotten flamed. Since thats not what you said, I would of course said Diamond tdx 12d4. Good Choice Don!!!
To answer your question then I would go with 1 kicker l7 or l5 but wait you don't want one sub either you want 2!!! Picky aint we!!
why the hell dont you just keep the subs that you have?? Otherwise Kicker CompVr's will do you fine!
Because I don't want the subs I have. I want ONE sub. I want more trunk space, and I want less bass. IS THAT OK WITH YOU?? Some of you people take yourselves WAY too seriously. I'm actually very appreciative of the advice Don is giving me. He's actually been helpful as opposed to you tag-team f**** that keep ganging up on me.
01-23-2003, 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by Pearl96Max
When your original post was copied into my especially the part where it stated "the easiest way to blow a sub is to underpower it". I simply replied with " I thought it was the level of distortion".
I am not the one getting all worked up over it, so please keep your Paxil jokes to yourself.
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When your original post was copied into my especially the part where it stated "the easiest way to blow a sub is to underpower it". I simply replied with " I thought it was the level of distortion".
I am not the one getting all worked up over it, so please keep your Paxil jokes to yourself.
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01-23-2003, 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by MrCollegeGuy
Ok genius, Underpowering ANY speaker and driving it too far on the little power you are giving it WILL blow it. If you don't believe me, that's fine. I don't have time to teach your a** a physics lesson.
I'm actually very appreciative of the advice Don is giving me. He's actually been helpful [/B]
Ok genius, Underpowering ANY speaker and driving it too far on the little power you are giving it WILL blow it. If you don't believe me, that's fine. I don't have time to teach your a** a physics lesson.
I'm actually very appreciative of the advice Don is giving me. He's actually been helpful [/B]
No sarcasm intended here but then My Phoenix Gold 600Ti pushing my two M612D4s wrong? 600Ti=600 watts.
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