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Old Nov 22, 2003 | 11:11 AM
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is it bad to twist a pair (+/-) speaker wire?

I'm talking about the wires from the aftermarket wiring harnesses that I have...

If i twist each negative/positive wire for each speaker together ( i don't mean twisting the exposed ends to connect), does it cause any interferance or distortion? If I do this, It will be more organized... also, i always thought twisting wires together like that is good (the inside +/- wire in the monster RCA cables are twisted, as it is the same in telephone, cat5 cables, etc.).

Lemme know, thanks.
Old Nov 22, 2003 | 11:23 AM
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twisting it might cause some resistance in the lines since it will sorta act like a coil. but i don't know if it's noticeble though.

someone correct me if i'm wrong.
Old Nov 23, 2003 | 10:06 AM
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when i got my system installed for the first time, i went to an audio shop and they twisted the speaker wires. since then, i've been twisting my own too.
Old Nov 23, 2003 | 05:10 PM
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On an install I did in my previous car I twisted the wire as you said to make it look better. It came out great and I had absolutely no problem with interference with it. Scored perfect in that department in a competition that I entered!!
Old Nov 23, 2003 | 08:03 PM
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Yup, we used to do this all the time at Best Buy when running speaker wire across the car. We'd put the loose ends in the drill chuck, lock it, and squeeze the trigger until it was at optimum "twist". You will be fine.
Old Nov 23, 2003 | 08:10 PM
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can't it be just zipped tied?
Old Nov 23, 2003 | 08:13 PM
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Actually, now that I remember, we only did that for alarm wires....not speaker wire.
Old Nov 23, 2003 | 08:19 PM
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I'm confused...what wires are you twisting together??
Old Nov 23, 2003 | 08:54 PM
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I'm confused...what wires are you twisting together??

just the aftermarket nissan harness wires. I wanted to know if twisting them had any negative effects... but i guess they don't. I know the RCA jacks that I am splicing to them (monster cables) have twisted wires inside of them so I was wondering if I can do the same to the harness wires. Thanks for the input guys.
Old Nov 23, 2003 | 10:08 PM
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The speaker wires should be high enough voltage that twisting them won't be of audible benefit.
Old Nov 23, 2003 | 10:09 PM
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it def looks cooler when you twist the sub wires.

There wont ever be a noticeable difference when you twost wires though, IMO its just a sell gimmick, and something that definately looks pimp.
Old Nov 24, 2003 | 03:08 AM
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twisting wires is actually used to shield interference. it rejects noise. so, technically theory you are better off to twist the wires...but truth be told you won't hear any difference.
Old Nov 24, 2003 | 12:21 PM
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but don't they twist the negative, posititve, and another un-used wire to shield interference?
Old Nov 24, 2003 | 12:44 PM
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Can anyone get a pic of this? I'm utterly confused as to what the heck we're talking about here...
Old Nov 24, 2003 | 12:57 PM
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CAT5/CAT5e twisted pair network cable (ethernet wire) uses twists (hence the name "twisted pair") for interference/noise reasons... the idea is that with twists throughout the pairs, interference will impact both wires similarly, so the interference is cancelled out. I'm not sure if anything special is required in the transmitting/receiving circuitry to make that happen...
Old Nov 24, 2003 | 01:33 PM
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 01:36 PM
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what I was aiming for each pair of speaker wires:



except more tighter.
Old Nov 26, 2003 | 10:04 PM
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Twisted pair definitely will help shield from interference. Best to do this with signal lines, but it will work with speaker lines too . . . No third wire is needed, although, I have seen this option considered as well . . . Cat5 cable may be used with RCA connectors on each end with good success.
Old Nov 29, 2003 | 02:50 PM
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Twisted pair definitely will help shield from interference. Best to do this with signal lines, but it will work with speaker lines too . . . No third wire is needed, although, I have seen this option considered as well . . . Cat5 cable may be used with RCA connectors on each end with good success.


ok i need to clarify a few things here. twisting the wires together will not cause any kind of problems whatsoever. cat5 and those types of wires are twisted because twisting helps to cancel possible noise in the signal. the optimal way of doing this is to have the wires cross each other at 90 degree angles. that is the reason why, for example, rockford fosgate uses a 3rd dummy wire in the line. its easier to achieve the 90 degree angle with the 3rd wire in the middle. voltage on the line has little to do with it. its actually more reasonable to do this at a lower signal voltage because noise is more easily induced in those types of lines. higher voltage signals, like 8 volts RMS, shouldnt have that much noise in them, and wouldnt normally need to be twisted. then again we are talking speaker wire here and not signal wire although they both carry signals lol.
Old Oct 21, 2022 | 09:07 PM
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Rockford 3rd wire nothing to do with twisting

That third dummy wire that Rockford uses can be used for a amp turn on or can be used as a balance line ground where you ground to the chassis on each end of the line. You would need equipment on both ends that support balanced line signals. Zapco did this for many years but they had line driver and proprietary cable system called symbilink
Old Oct 22, 2022 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by dananton485
That third dummy wire that Rockford uses can be used for a amp turn on or can be used as a balance line ground where you ground to the chassis on each end of the line. You would need equipment on both ends that support balanced line signals. Zapco did this for many years but they had line driver and proprietary cable system called symbilink
Thanks very much for this insightful reply … 19 years later.
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