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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 07:49 AM
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Listening to FM radio

You think it's justified to have a nice setup of 3-way DLS component speakers with a 100 watt RMS x 2 DLS amplifier if I'm just gonna be listening to FM radio and not CDs? Or do you think I should just get a pair of basic aftermarket coaxials? Alsoi, does anybody know if satellite radio sounds clearer than FM radio, as in a stronger signal?
Old Dec 14, 2005 | 07:51 AM
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transmission from sattalite is subject to weather conditions just like sat TV but its digital signals will give you higher quality than FM radio plus u don't have to deal with aftermarket HU reception problems from those dame Nissan diversity antennas.
Old Dec 14, 2005 | 09:36 AM
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all that nice equipment just to listen to FM is overkill IMO. you won't put those speakers to full use.
Old Dec 14, 2005 | 09:46 AM
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I know that CDs are obviously the best for sound quality. But when I use them, I get bored of the music and find myself a lot of times switching tracks. But when I listen to the radio, each song that gets played that I like is like a bonus, and because I know it will end soon and I can't play it again, I listen to it. Satellite radio has too many channels, too many different options. While I can see how the digital signal will produce better sound, I find that having to put the antenna on top of the car and routed through the top of the window very inconvenient. Also, the abundance of channels will incline me to do the same as with CDs, flip through too much and never settle on anything. While I hate the commericals and occasional static of FM radio, I'll stick with it for now. When HD FM radio is available in my area, I'll definitely get that. Thanks guys.
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AscendantMax
all that nice equipment just to listen to FM is overkill IMO. you won't put those speakers to full use.

yes, I agree that the DLS setup would be limited to the FM radio source and the fact that FM radio is inferior in sound quality compared to CDs. However, the sound quality is still better with the DLS setup than it would be with a less expensive speaker setup, even though the signal is FM radio. Getting better speakers and adding an amp increases sound quality, regardless of what the source of the music is.
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ElVito1981
Getting better speakers and adding an amp increases sound quality, regardless of what the source of the music is.
I beg to differ

The source of the music is very important IMO. You can take noise, amplify it 100X and feed it to nice speakers, you'll just get very loud replication of that noise.
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 05:26 PM
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maybe if you had a good setup you would enjoy your cd's.
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AscendantMax
I beg to differ

The source of the music is very important IMO. You can take noise, amplify it 100X and feed it to nice speakers, you'll just get very loud replication of that noise.
I didn't say the source wasn't important. Of course it is. Actually, it's the most important factor because it's the first step in the music reproduction process. However, with a good amp and speakers and the proper soundstage, you can make even an inferior source sound better than it would with mediocre speakers, no amp, and an incorrect soundstage. When you look at it logically, improving speakers and soundstage and adding an amp always improves sound playback regardless of the source. The purpose of an amp is to allow you to hear the music louder rather than turning up the volume without the amp and creating distortion. I understand that even with this equipment, I will be limited to the source, but the output from that source logically will be improved dramatically.
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 08:38 PM
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it'll improve, but i doubt dramatically...
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 08:44 PM
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sounds like he has made up his mind. install the equipment and let us know.
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 09:11 PM
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This may be a little off-topic now since everybody's stopped talking about satellite, but I'd just like to point out that if you get satellite and just use the wireless FM modulator, you're basically wasting your money anyway. The digital signal is great, but once you use the modulator, you're just converting it back to crappy FM anyway. It'll sound better than most FM you pick up because it's being transmitted from only a few feet away, but I would only get satellite if you're going to have a dedicated aux input through which to feed the "line out" on the satellite receiver. Just a thought.

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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 11:40 PM
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Using the DLSs is going to make FM sound worse, bringing out more imperfections in it than you heard before.

Now grow them ***** a bit more, get a bigger amp, a few more channels and run it active.

Leave the FM option alone.



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Originally Posted by Pearl96Max
Using the DLSs is going to make FM sound worse, bringing out more imperfections in it than you heard before.

Now grow them ***** a bit more, get a bigger amp, a few more channels and run it active.

Leave the FM option alone.




I still disagree, and the fact that you say that adding channels is the way to go leads me to question your expertise in audio equipment. Music is intended to be heard in stereo---2 channels in front of you. One, because that's the way it's encoded, and more importantly, because when you go to a concert, the band is in front of you, not surrounding you. I've made up my mind. I'm definitely listening to FM radio and no longer to CDs. What do you guys suggest I should get as far as a head unit and amp/speakers then? I still haven't used the DLS amp and speakers. You're saying I should sell them?
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ElVito1981
I still disagree, and the fact that you say that adding channels is the way to go leads me to question your expertise in audio equipment. Music is intended to be heard in stereo---2 channels in front of you. One, because that's the way it's encoded, and more importantly, because when you go to a concert, the band is in front of you, not surrounding you.
WhereTF did he say to add speakers behind you? You obviously do not understand what 'active' means

You should read more carefully, and educate yourself prior to questioning someones expertise.

Yes higher fidelity speakers bring out both the best and WORSE out of the signal. And AM/FM is the most **** poor signal you can put throgh any speaker. Now your preference for FM radio, really speaks volumes on your idea of sound quality.
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 06:32 AM
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WhereTF did he say to add speakers behind you? You obviously do not understand what 'active' means

You should read more carefully, and educate yourself prior to questioning someones expertise.

Yes higher fidelity speakers bring out both the best and WORSE out of the signal. And AM/FM is the most **** poor signal you can put throgh any speaker. Now your preference for FM radio, really speaks volumes on your idea of sound quality.

He said to add a "few more channels," which obviously means having more than 2 channels. And I know what "active" means. It means having an electronic crossover filter the music before amplifiction and then amplifying each frequency separately using multiple amps, as opposed to a passive crossover which filters the music after amplification from only one amp. And I never said I'm switching to FM radio for quality reasons. I know the quality is inferior. I said that I wanted to switch because it allows me to enjoy the music that is played on the radio rather than having many songs on CDs and being being tempted to flip through them all and having to go out and buy more CDs to add to my collection after I get bored of what I'd already have. I think you're the one who needs to read more clearly.
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 07:22 AM
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Better off keeping speakers/amps stock and using your stock radio for reception.
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by nismos14
Better off keeping speakers/amps stock and using your stock radio for reception.

but in the other thread you're saying I shouldn't have a problem using my eclipse HU for FM radio
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 08:02 AM
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I still disagree, and the fact that you say that adding channels is the way to go leads me to question your expertise in audio equipment. Music is intended to be heard in stereo---2 channels in front of you. One, because that's the way it's encoded, and more importantly, because when you go to a concert, the band is in front of you, not surrounding you. I've made up my mind. I'm definitely listening to FM radio and no longer to CDs. What do you guys suggest I should get as far as a head unit and amp/speakers then? I still haven't used the DLS amp and speakers. You're saying I should sell them?

Question my expertise all you like. Who said to add rears? Obviously you dont fully comprehend the term active. Your using a three way setup, using multiple channels will allow you to use your three way setup powering each speaker independantly. Still a front stage, still a left/right. Just not using the passives.

Im guessing in your world, only two channels of amplification is the only proper way to go??
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 08:20 AM
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Question my expertise all you like. Who said to add rears? Obviously you dont fully comprehend the term active. Your using a three way setup, using multiple channels will allow you to use your three way setup powering each speaker independantly. Still a front stage, still a left/right. Just not using the passives.

Im guessing in your world, only two channels of amplification is the only proper way to go??
i know what active is, but it's too much of a hassle, too much work in my opinion. I'll stick with the passives and my one amplifier and FM radio. Thank you for your help.
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 08:25 AM
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i know what active is, but it's too much of a hassle, too much work in my opinion. I'll stick with the passives and my one amplifier and FM radio. Thank you for your help.

Then why would you have "questioned" me? If its too much work, just say so. My first post saying to grow your ***** a bit more was definately intended with sarcasm, hence the "" in it. Although for you to come and "question" what I was recommending to do, was not needed. I do indeed know a bit about the 12V industry and how things work.
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Pearl96Max

Im guessing in your world, only two channels of amplification is the only proper way to go??


Originally Posted by ElVito1981
And I know what "active" means. It means having an electronic crossover filter the music before amplifiction and then amplifying each frequency separately using multiple amps, as opposed to a passive crossover which filters the music after amplification from only one amp
Great you looked it up...good for you.

It can be done with the digital xovers in your HU, the analog ones on your amplifier, or a combination of both- an external electronic unit is not the only way FYI.

Hence why he said 'more channels', but your reaction was insinuating that would result somehow that you wont get stereo left/right sound in front of you...wtf? Do you truly believe that? Think about it.

Besides if you know what active means, simply a ' no thanks' is in order, rather than insult someone's intelligence simply because his recommendation is not in your best interest.

Its ok to to grow some 'huevos' and admit you are wrong and overreacted by way of your misunderstanding. I can respect that, but i cannot respect someone dancing around it. You are lucky anyone responded to this very dumb thread to begin with.
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 08:42 AM
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A boombox on the dash would probably work well.
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I come back after being gone for a while, and now people are questioning the Don's expertise???

What is this world coming to?
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 09:13 AM
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sounds like he has made up his mind. install the equipment and let us know.
yeah...I'll quote myself. but it was much more fun to read all of the posts!
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 09:23 AM
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sorry if i insulted pearlmax, that wasn't intended. I was responding to his claim that I needed to "grow my ***** a little more" Anyway, this thread is done now, let's move on.
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 09:24 AM
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haha well Don's a mod in the forum for a reason...otherwise we'd get Avi as the mod
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