I need Help choosing a killer setup.
01-11-2006, 05:17 PM
#1
I need Help choosing a killer setup.
Ok I'm pretty new to the whole audio stuff. So maybe you guys can help me out.
Basically money isn't an issue just nothing over $2000 to invest in the Subwoofer setup only.
Ok The head unit I'll prob use a Pioneer EQ and a touch screen TV Audio.
Now what I'm looking for is really really deep bass, something like 10Hz-33Hz I think and some mind blowing 110 db or better sounds that will literally blow your eardrums
I was thinking of Two W7's being pushed by I have no idea, with caps and a yellow top battery.
Why do people always refer to the excursion of a woofer?
Thanx guys any help is apreciated...
Basically money isn't an issue just nothing over $2000 to invest in the Subwoofer setup only.
Ok The head unit I'll prob use a Pioneer EQ and a touch screen TV Audio.
Now what I'm looking for is really really deep bass, something like 10Hz-33Hz I think and some mind blowing 110 db or better sounds that will literally blow your eardrums
I was thinking of Two W7's being pushed by I have no idea, with caps and a yellow top battery.
Why do people always refer to the excursion of a woofer?
Thanx guys any help is apreciated...
01-11-2006, 06:16 PM
#2
for spl in the specific areas of frequency you want...go with 18" subs for optimum output. however, they will not fit easily. IMO I would run 2 15" sealed in about 4.5 cubes if you can fit it. there are plenty of subs from XXX's, the new Brahma's, the new ascendant auido stuff, and for Gordon...RLP's. also, 10hz at a high volume is not easily achieved NOR heard by the human ear and no music will ever dip that low. hence, focus more on around 30hz and up for car audio...unless you plan on watching movies at full tilt.
01-11-2006, 07:01 PM
#4
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10 hz is REAL LOW...well below inaudable.
33hz is pretty low for a sub to be lowpassed at (especially without A LOT of concern for strong midbass in the front stage).... Have you listened to a 33 hz test tone to hear how low that actually is?
Oh...110 db aint all that loud for bass....though hitting 110 db at anywhere around 15-25 hz is an accomplishment.
2G is A LOT for a sub setup. Have you considered a complete system (still with plenty of bass) for that amount of money? Your plan now sounds like a system that will have lots of bass, but not much as far as music is concerned. It's cool if thats what you want. Just wanted to throw out there that for that amount of money you could be concerned about a lot more than bass.
Set aside money for dampening, and install as well as crap you may not be thinking of like wiring.....
W7's are real nice woofers, but VERY overpriced IMO, specially just for bass.
People talk about excursion because speakers move air. Subs need to move a lot of air to get loud....so the more the cone can move (as well as the bigger it is), the louder it can get.
Forget the caps.
After that, theres plenty of nice subs and speakers out there that would suit your needs. I think sometimes people are too quick to worry about "which subs/speakers and amps" and less about the install that will make it sound good.
33hz is pretty low for a sub to be lowpassed at (especially without A LOT of concern for strong midbass in the front stage).... Have you listened to a 33 hz test tone to hear how low that actually is?
Oh...110 db aint all that loud for bass....though hitting 110 db at anywhere around 15-25 hz is an accomplishment.
2G is A LOT for a sub setup. Have you considered a complete system (still with plenty of bass) for that amount of money? Your plan now sounds like a system that will have lots of bass, but not much as far as music is concerned. It's cool if thats what you want. Just wanted to throw out there that for that amount of money you could be concerned about a lot more than bass.
Set aside money for dampening, and install as well as crap you may not be thinking of like wiring.....
W7's are real nice woofers, but VERY overpriced IMO, specially just for bass.
People talk about excursion because speakers move air. Subs need to move a lot of air to get loud....so the more the cone can move (as well as the bigger it is), the louder it can get.
Forget the caps.
After that, theres plenty of nice subs and speakers out there that would suit your needs. I think sometimes people are too quick to worry about "which subs/speakers and amps" and less about the install that will make it sound good.
01-11-2006, 07:08 PM
#5
Originally Posted by djfrestyl
Flatlines FTW.
Case closed
Case closed
01-11-2006, 09:39 PM
#7
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Originally Posted by slickrick
i know fo sho they do not come in 18", but do they come in 15" versions? I did not recommend them because I do not think they come that big.
Bigger isnt always better Peckerwood.
The FLs are extremely nice, although more SQ orientated with a Very good potential to get loud. Of course theres still others options.
01-12-2006, 05:09 AM
#16
I don't think that W7's would really fit the bill in this situation.
How about some of the new stereo integrity Magnum D2's off a 2500watt RMS amp of your choice, maybe sealed in 5.5-6 cubic feet. That would be fun
How about some of the new stereo integrity Magnum D2's off a 2500watt RMS amp of your choice, maybe sealed in 5.5-6 cubic feet. That would be fun
01-12-2006, 07:18 AM
#18
My best Friend drives an Expedition with a wall of 4 18"s Pushed by over 4000 watts. That thing hits so hard it's not even funny. With the bass up it takes the air out of your breath. He's hit up to 155 db's and won a couple of competitions. So he's the one that's going to do the whole install I'm not worried about that.
To make this more clear I wanted to know what subs are out now that can hit real hard with the best, something like 12" to 15" nothing bigger than that.
I need them to be able to withstand hard hitting bass and really low bass.
This is what my Friend suggest. What do you guys think of Three Thunder950012" 500-1000 watts RMS 1000
Or Three SledgeHammer T9500 (T9515X2D) Pushed by Two TA92001 Class D Mono Amps
I never heard of integrity Magnum D2 are they better than MTX?
I'm going to the the shop to hear the thunderseries and sledgehammer.
To make this more clear I wanted to know what subs are out now that can hit real hard with the best, something like 12" to 15" nothing bigger than that.
I need them to be able to withstand hard hitting bass and really low bass.
This is what my Friend suggest. What do you guys think of Three Thunder950012" 500-1000 watts RMS 1000
Or Three SledgeHammer T9500 (T9515X2D) Pushed by Two TA92001 Class D Mono Amps
I never heard of integrity Magnum D2 are they better than MTX?
I'm going to the the shop to hear the thunderseries and sledgehammer.
01-12-2006, 07:20 AM
#19
Originally Posted by Pearl96Max
I think he just wants to FEEL it. LoL
01-12-2006, 08:31 AM
#23
Originally Posted by japmaxSE
If I use the TA92001 it's rated at 14v am I going to need an extra alternator?
all amps are rated at 14 or 14.4 volts for their birth sheet.
01-12-2006, 01:32 PM
#25
Originally Posted by LeX
I don't think that W7's would really fit the bill in this situation.
How about some of the new stereo integrity Magnum D2's off a 2500watt RMS amp of your choice, maybe sealed in 5.5-6 cubic feet. That would be fun
How about some of the new stereo integrity Magnum D2's off a 2500watt RMS amp of your choice, maybe sealed in 5.5-6 cubic feet. That would be fun
The magnum d2 would be your best bet IMO. Those things sound amazing and get insanely loud with the right amp. Personally I would invest in a good amp as well, something from MMATS, Zapco, USAmps...can get quite pricey.
01-12-2006, 01:36 PM
#26
Originally Posted by japmaxSE
I never heard of integrity Magnum D2 are they better than MTX?
01-12-2006, 02:45 PM
#27
Excuse me?
Although stereo intergrity made an awesome woofer there is no need to downplay mtx. Where else can you get a 300 lb sub that moves less air than the equal sum total weight of RE MTS, and still costs more? You need to get it right.
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Although stereo intergrity made an awesome woofer there is no need to downplay mtx. Where else can you get a 300 lb sub that moves less air than the equal sum total weight of RE MTS, and still costs more? You need to get it right.
my 1501d
owns Joo
01-12-2006, 03:48 PM
#30
Ok I just came from cartek here in S.Fl. Listened to some of the MTX subs and they sound really good not bad but not as hard as I expected it would. I mentioned Integrity speakers and they said "yeah those are good speakers too"
So I got home searched for Integrity Magnum D2's. I just got off the phone after 30 min with Nick and I think I'm convinced. He claims that one D2 12" will hit mid 130db's to low 140db's. The guy was so cool he was telling me all kinds of stories. I also did a search on these Integrity's and theirs allot of feedback from allot of forums on how good they are.
Nick's setup
2 12" D2's
His first choice to push them were the Incriminator IA20.1 series amplifier and a few others.
What do you guys think? What should I push them with?
So I got home searched for Integrity Magnum D2's. I just got off the phone after 30 min with Nick and I think I'm convinced. He claims that one D2 12" will hit mid 130db's to low 140db's. The guy was so cool he was telling me all kinds of stories. I also did a search on these Integrity's and theirs allot of feedback from allot of forums on how good they are.
Nick's setup
2 12" D2's
His first choice to push them were the Incriminator IA20.1 series amplifier and a few others.
What do you guys think? What should I push them with?
01-12-2006, 03:53 PM
#31
one respectable 12" sub with a good box can fart and hit 130's. SI subs are good and 2 12" SI subs ported will be loud. with 2 12's ported you will be easily into the mids 140's with good amps and a decent box. for all out spl with sq i still take XXX's because they can handle 1.5k watts daily.
01-12-2006, 04:23 PM
#33
assuming budget is not a problem...depends on amount of trunk space lost, and how much power to each sub, and expected sound quality. you can port anything to 45hz and have it be loud 4 rap music but sound like A$$. new subs should be coming out because CES just happened so I cannot give my top 5 as of this second without seeing the new stuff. but previous stuff from RE, Adire Audio, Diamond Audio, SS, SI, and Ascendant audio are good. i have heard subs from each maker except sound splinter and Stereo Integrity.
01-12-2006, 04:40 PM
#35
Originally Posted by slickrick
assuming budget is not a problem...depends on amount of trunk space lost, and how much power to each sub, and expected sound quality. you can port anything to 45hz and have it be loud 4 rap music but sound like A$$. new subs should be coming out because CES just happened so I cannot give my top 5 as of this second without seeing the new stuff. but previous stuff from RE, Adire Audio, Diamond Audio, SS, SI, and Ascendant audio are good. i have heard subs from each maker except sound splinter and Stereo Integrity.
RE?
SS?
01-12-2006, 04:42 PM
#36
RE = Resonant Engineering. www.reaudio.com
SS = Sound Splinter. www.soundsplinter.com
a note though, the SS are more geared towards SQ. They will get decently loud though, but I think for your application, they won't provide enough SPL for you.
SS = Sound Splinter. www.soundsplinter.com
a note though, the SS are more geared towards SQ. They will get decently loud though, but I think for your application, they won't provide enough SPL for you.
01-12-2006, 04:53 PM
#39
Originally Posted by japmaxSE
Someone who knows most of the subs should make a poll of
the top 5 or top 10 so that way my lazy azz can just search for those in the top list...
the top 5 or top 10 so that way my lazy azz can just search for those in the top list...
