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Old Dec 15, 2001 | 05:02 PM
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What do you think of my "soon to be" system?

Whats up guys, I have decided to go back to my roots and get a real nice system for my 2K2 max. I have the stock 120 watt system right now and it is pathetic. So heres what I have on order so far "Stege1":

MB Court professional seriese 6 1/2 componet set for my front doors and tweeters.

MB Court professional seriese 6 1/2 coaxial speakers for the rear doors.

Rockford Fosgate Punch 600.4{75X4 @ 4 ohms} amp for the above mentioned speakers. It will be mounted on the top of the trunk were it takes up no room and is out of site.

Stage II which has not yet been decided, but heres my current plan:

MB Court 6 1/2 Professional seriese Coaxials for the rear dash{custom mounted}

1 12 inch Kicker Solobaric sub with a custom leight weight fiber galss box to fit in just like a stealth box.

Rockford Fosgate Power 800.4{200X4 @ 4 ohms}, I will send 600 watts to my 12 inch sub and the other 200 will be split to my rear dash mounted MB's. I will mount this amp the same way as the 600.4.

What do you guy's think? Good plan or what would you do different and why? Thanks fellas BTW I am not going for BIG bass really, I just want a small stereo that bumps and looks/sounds real clean.
Old Dec 15, 2001 | 08:32 PM
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How much is this entire set up going to cost you? And also are you going to be purchasing caps and maybe an optima batt? I am getting a whole system 2 for my max, competition level. it's gonna cost about 2,200 for everything. I'm getting 2 12 inch L7's, Lanzer all around, 2 autotek stealth series amps, 2 digital caps, custom amp boxs + custom sub boxs, optima batt, 12 guage wire, paper thin wire, 140 a roll and a whole bunch of other ish. My guy talked me out of getting MB quart. He has been dealing w\ car audio for 18 years and he thinks Lanzer is better. He proved that lanzer was better. I guess these are all opinons though. It's all what you like. peace
Old Dec 15, 2001 | 09:39 PM
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How much is this entire set up going to cost you? And also are you going to be purchasing caps and maybe an optima batt? I am getting a whole system 2 for my max, competition level. it's gonna cost about 2,200 for everything. I'm getting 2 12 inch L7's, Lanzer all around, 2 autotek stealth series amps, 2 digital caps, custom amp boxs + custom sub boxs, optima batt, 12 guage wire, paper thin wire, 140 a roll and a whole bunch of other ish. My guy talked me out of getting MB quart. He has been dealing w\ car audio for 18 years and he thinks Lanzer is better. He proved that lanzer was better. I guess these are all opinons though. It's all what you like. peace
Price wise so far for stage 1 is $490 for the MB quarts from http://www.uscaraudio.com/m , the Fosgate amp is costing me $287 Shipped from ebay. So, so far $780, I think I have a box full of old power wires and such so I should ok there. Stage 2 will cost me about $840 + how ever much I spend on a box. So about $1620 + box. Not to bad considering the stuff I am getting. I may go nut's again like I did in the past with several $5000+ stereo's but not any time soon .

I have a optima yellow top battery in my 95 max but it's about 3 years old at this point. I don't think I am going to swap it into my new max unless problems arrise though. I think I should be ok electrical wise, I guess I will have to wait and see.
Old Dec 15, 2001 | 11:14 PM
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I plan on spending around $1300 for mine, for a complete SQ install, but actually, counting the sub/amp I have now, then $1800. Around $2000 can get you a GREAT sounding system IMO!
Old Dec 16, 2001 | 12:43 AM
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Re: What do you think of my "soon to be" system?

Hey emax95,

I think your setup sounds pretty good so far, considering its not even in the car yet...hehehe. I myself, have a 2K1 Max, that I am working on right now too. I have the same 120 watt system, and I am planning the following. I started with a custom fiberglass box in the trunk passenger side over the wheel-well. I did it myself, with some help, and it houses a 10" JL Audio sub. I think a 12 may be tough to do there, cause of the trunk hinge arm thing. I had to build a slot for it into the box, but I was able to keep full use of the seat fold down pass through. That was my main reason for this box.

I have a pair of Boston Acoustic 6-1/2" coaxials for the back doors, and looking to get either another pair and some tweets for the front, or just get a pair of components. Not sure on an amp to push them yet, but on the sub right now I have an older model Punch 75. It's like 5yrs old now, so kinda looking for something newer, and stronger (like around 200-250watts). As for a total, I am looking at right around $1000 right now. I think that'll do me up just fine.....what do you guys think???????
Old Dec 16, 2001 | 12:54 AM
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Re: Re: What do you think of my "soon to be" system?

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Hey emax95,

I think your setup sounds pretty good so far, considering its not even in the car yet...hehehe. I myself, have a 2K1 Max, that I am working on right now too. I have the same 120 watt system, and I am planning the following. I started with a custom fiberglass box in the trunk passenger side over the wheel-well. I did it myself, with some help, and it houses a 10" JL Audio sub. I think a 12 may be tough to do there, cause of the trunk hinge arm thing. I had to build a slot for it into the box, but I was able to keep full use of the seat fold down pass through. That was my main reason for this box.

I have a pair of Boston Acoustic 6-1/2" coaxials for the back doors, and looking to get either another pair and some tweets for the front, or just get a pair of components. Not sure on an amp to push them yet, but on the sub right now I have an older model Punch 75. It's like 5yrs old now, so kinda looking for something newer, and stronger (like around 200-250watts). As for a total, I am looking at right around $1000 right now. I think that'll do me up just fine.....what do you guys think???????
Any pics of your custom sub box? I am planning on putting my sub in the same spot. Thanks
Old Dec 16, 2001 | 02:00 AM
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Re: Re: Re: What do you think of my "soon to be" system?

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Any pics of your custom sub box? I am planning on putting my sub in the same spot. Thanks
No, not yet,,,SORRY,,,I have been tryin to get ahold of my sister's digital camera. So, when I do, I'll let you know. What I did was use some screen material to make a mold first. Then I fiberglassed over that. Most people just us plastic and do it right in the trunk, but I didn't want that icky fiberglass smell staying in my car. Didn't get as perfect a fit as that method, but it worked out great, and I am very pleased. AND, I didn't have that fiberglass smell for a month afterwards either. I have about .75 - .8 cubic ft and it sounds great(even with only @120 watts pushing it). So when I get the camera, I send some pics,,,what's your e-mail?
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No, not yet,,,SORRY,,,I have been tryin to get ahold of my sister's digital camera. So, when I do, I'll let you know. What I did was use some screen material to make a mold first. Then I fiberglassed over that. Most people just us plastic and do it right in the trunk, but I didn't want that icky fiberglass smell staying in my car. Didn't get as perfect a fit as that method, but it worked out great, and I am very pleased. AND, I didn't have that fiberglass smell for a month afterwards either. I have about .75 - .8 cubic ft and it sounds great(even with only @120 watts pushing it). So when I get the camera, I send some pics,,,what's your e-mail?
emax1995@yahoo.com , thanks! Sounds interesting.
Old Dec 16, 2001 | 11:41 AM
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I would ditch the MB's and get something like Focal, A/D/S or Diamond Audio. They have a much smoother sound that the quarts IMHO.
If you want some pricing Ethan, tell me the model #'s for the Rockford amp and the speakers and I'll see what kind of price I can do for you. I'm an authorized MB Quart and Rockford dealer as well as many other brands.

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Old Dec 16, 2001 | 01:12 PM
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I would also toss the MB. Overpriced hype spent on advertising. For that price you can get Focal, ADS, Dynaudio, CDT, whatever, no problem.

As for your amps and subs.. why not get a class D amp and be more friendly on your altenator? More efficient for both pocket, alty, and performance..

Sounds like someone sold you on brand names.. if anything, Id rather get the power series for the components (being the higher end amp) and a class d such as a RF BD (should u wanna stick with RF) for the subs. Subs need more power not more s/n ratio..

As for the guy who got talked outta MB .. I like lanzar and all that, but i highly doubt Lanzar components sounding better than MB .. it was most likely an unfair comparison (install) or you really dont like metallic domes (harsh) .. install means a lot when it comes to tweeters in your face or off axis.
Old Dec 16, 2001 | 04:47 PM
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I would also toss the MB. Overpriced hype spent on advertising. For that price you can get Focal, ADS, Dynaudio, CDT, whatever, no problem.

As for your amps and subs.. why not get a class D amp and be more friendly on your altenator? More efficient for both pocket, alty, and performance..

Sounds like someone sold you on brand names.. if anything, Id rather get the power series for the components (being the higher end amp) and a class d such as a RF BD (should u wanna stick with RF) for the subs. Subs need more power not more s/n ratio..

As for the guy who got talked outta MB .. I like lanzar and all that, but i highly doubt Lanzar components sounding better than MB .. it was most likely an unfair comparison (install) or you really dont like metallic domes (harsh) .. install means a lot when it comes to tweeters in your face or off axis.
Thanks for your thought Dave. I have always been a big fan of MB's and always wanted them. My last system in my Explorer had all Kicker speaker's. (3 Set's of 6.5 Kicker Resolution components, 4 12' Kicker Comp VR's, Rockford 360.6 and a memphis Cla$$ D amp{1100 watts). That system slamed! I would definatly buy another class D amp but I can not find a resonably priced class D 4 chaneel amp anywhere. I was going to go with the Rockford Power 800.4 but it would be over powering my MB's and also weighing me down another 5 lb's . Any 4 channnel class D amps you recommend? It would have to be able to pump out atleast 700 watts and be under $500.
Old Dec 18, 2001 | 01:15 AM
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ethan, you're scaring me.

class d's are mono / single channel .. and cuz of that they are much more efficient (easy on the alty) than a/b amps (most of those 2/4 channel amps) theyre also pretty affordable / cheap.. you can get JBL BP1200.1's (1200-1400w @ 1 or 2 ohm) for like 250-300 now.

hifonics makes some affordable yet powerful & good quality 4chan amps.. i dont know any model #'s off the top of my head tho. (around 400)

ppi is also another place to look for 4ch amps, especially due to their local buyout by DEI .. ive seen the PPI PCX400 (whatever it is?) also around 400 .. thats 4x125 @ 4ohms ..

if yer lookin for RF products.. try to get a best buy employee discount.. theyre HUGE.

if yer lookin for MTX products, try to get a circuit city employee discount, these are huge as well.

good luck with yer setup
Old Dec 18, 2001 | 02:39 AM
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Re: What do you think of my "soon to be" system?

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What do you guy's think? Good plan or what would you do different and why? Thanks fellas

I would have to jump on the bandwagon and say go with something else besides the MBQs. They are just way too bright and fatiguing on the ears. BUT, if they sould good to you, then that's all that matters.

I'm a huge fan of component speakers. But, I have never liked the sound of components when the tweeter is mounted so far away from the mid-woofers, as they will be in your Max. I've tried this with a few different speakers manufacturers in a few different vehicles and have always liked it at first but then after some critical listening have pretty much dismissed it altogether. I'm sure some of you can argue either way about this topic, but I'm a huge believer that if the tweeter is separated from the mid-woofer more than 6 inches or so the two speakers stop behaving like a unit (as they should) and act more like separate speakers that don't blend at all.

IMO, I would opt for some high quality coaxials for the front doors and if you REALLY want tweeters in the pillars, use another amp channel to drive them separately. That way, you can control the xover frequency and volume right from the amp. If you adjust them while you listen and find the perfect blend between the two, I think you will quite surprised.

Or, you could still have your component speakers and try mounting the tweeters in the door nearer to the woofers. The biggest disadvantage to this is that you will have to drill into your doors, though.

My .02.

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Old Dec 18, 2001 | 10:42 PM
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Rockford Fosgate Punch 600.4{75X4 @ 4 ohms} amp for the above mentioned speakers. It will be mounted on the top of the trunk were it takes up no room and is out of site.

Now, do you mean under the rear deck or under the acutal trunk itself? If you put it on the trunk won't that make it very heavy? The trunk is already heavy if you have a spoiler on it. Won't the constant banging of opening and shutting the trunk damage the amp in some way? People that are not use to a heavy trunk slaming it shut. I get that now with just the rear spoiler on it.
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Now, do you mean under the rear deck or under the acutal trunk itself? If you put it on the trunk won't that make it very heavy? The trunk is already heavy if you have a spoiler on it. Won't the constant banging of opening and shutting the trunk damage the amp in some way? People that are not use to a heavy trunk slaming it shut. I get that now with just the rear spoiler on it.
Nope, I am putting the amp on under the rear dash, under were the 3rd break light is on car's with out a spoiler. I have to remove the rear seat and rear dash carpet and drill down throught the metal. Once I drill the holes I will put bolts in and attach nut's on the other side{in the trunk that is}. I have it all planned out. I have installed ton's of stereos in my life. I have custom leather comming in a few day's too, so I am going to install everything at once. It's going to be a LONG day.
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Thanks for all the advice guy's, I am still working on Stage 2 idea's, Stage one is in the mail so theres no turning back now . I found a Class D RF amp that put's out 500 X 1 @ 2 ohms. It's pretty affordable too {$280ish} and only weight 12 lb's, every pound counts for me, haha. I think I will get that amp in about a month and then just hook up one 12' Kicker Solobaric. I think that will sound pretty good.
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Nope, I am putting the amp on under the rear dash, under were the 3rd break light is on car's with out a spoiler. I have to remove the rear seat and rear dash carpet and drill down throught the metal. Once I drill the holes I will put bolts in and attach nut's on the other side{in the trunk that is}. I have it all planned out. I have installed ton's of stereos in my life. I have custom leather comming in a few day's too, so I am going to install everything at once. It's going to be a LONG day.
I'm looking fro ideas for a place to put my amps, got any pics?
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Ethan: if i was you dont buy a Fosgate amp to power your highs. Stick with an Alpine 4channel, maybe the 307(kinda small) or 407(more than enough power). Both have lots of fine tuning to make your highs perfect. for bass definitly stick with Fostgate, they make one of the best sub woofer amps out there.

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Ethan: if i was you dont buy a Fosgate amp to power your highs. Stick with an Alpine 4channel, maybe the 307(kinda small) or 407(more than enough power). Both have lots of fine tuning to make your highs perfect. for bass definitly stick with Fostgate, they make one of the best sub woofer amps out there.

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What's a good amp for nice clean highs? I only need something to push a pair of 50W component speakers.
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