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Old Jun 22, 2011 | 06:13 AM
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new SCCA auto-x Street Touring classing

It's official. The SCCA finally acknowledged the dominance of the Honda Civic in Street Touring and re-classed everybody in an effort to encourage increased participation in the class.

Maxima A33, A32, and J30 move to STC, and A34 stays in STX. Although certainly not "compacts", our vehicles are now deemed too old to include in STF, the new generation of FWD cone carvers. Of course with mods you're welcome to compete with higher classes as before.
http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastra...-july-solo.pdf

Class Street Touring FWD (STF)
Acura RSX
Acura TSX
Honda CR-Z
Honda Civic (2001-2005, all)
Honda Civic (2006-2011, non-Si)
Honda Fit
Ford Fiesta
Ford Focus (all)
Kia Forte/Koup
Lancer (non-turbo)
MINI Cooper (non-S)
Mazda 2
Mazda 3
Mazda 6
Scion tC, xA, xB
Toyota Corolla (1998-2011)
Toyota Yaris
VW Golf 2.5
Class Street Touring Compact (STC)
Acura Integra (1986-2001)
Audi A4 1.8T
Audi TT Coupe and Roadster (non-quattro)
Dodge/Chrysler Neon
Ford Escort GT (1991-1996)
Ford ZX2 (1998-2003)
Honda Civic (1984-2000)
Mazda 323 GT & GTX
Mazda Protégé (1999-2003, NOC)
Nissan 240SX
Nissan NX2000 (1991-1994)
Sentra SE-R (1991-1994)
Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS (1998-2001)
Toyota Celica (1986-2005, non-turbo)
Toyota Corolla FX16
Toyota Corolla (1984-1987)
Toyota Corolla (1988-1991)
Volkswagon Golf, Jetta, Passat & Beetle (1.8T & TDI)
Volvo S40 (non-T5) & V40
*Sedans & coupes (4-seat minimum, non-sports car based) up to 3.1L normally aspirated, NOC
Class Street Touring Xtreme (STX)
Audi A3, A4, & TT Quattro
Acura Integra Type R
BMW 3-series (E30 chassis, including M3)
BMW 3-series (E36 chassis, non-M)
BMW 3-series (E46 chassis, non-M)
BMW 3 Series (E90 chassis, non-turbo) (2006-2010)
Chevrolet Cobalt SS (Turbo)
Chevrolet Camaro (up to 5.0L)
Eagle Talon Turbo (AWD)
Ford Mustang (up to 5.0L)
Honda Civic Si (2006-2010)
Lexus IS300
Mazda RX-8
Mazda Protégé MP3
MazdaSpeed Protégé
Mazdaspeed 3
Mazdaspeed 6
MINI Cooper S & Cooper S JCW
Mitsubishi Eclipse Turbo (AWD)
Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V
Pontiac Firebird (up to 5.0L)
Subaru Impreza WRX (2002-2008, non-STI)
Volkswagen Golf, GTI, Jetta, Beetle, & Passat (2.0L Turbo)
Volkswagen R32
Volvo C30
*Sedans & coupes (4-seat minimum, non-sports car based) 3.1 to 5.1L normally aspirated or up to 2.0L forced induction, NOC

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Old Jun 23, 2011 | 06:15 PM
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grrr....why didn't they reclass my 09 wrx out of freakin' STU. We simiply cannot compete with the Evos and STi's with our lack of DCCD, LSDs, and wider rubber
Old Jun 24, 2011 | 05:59 AM
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What do you suggest? Move it to STX? Then all the older GD chassis have the same argument. Most blame it on Subaru for so many great improvements in so little time. You're only guaranteed a place to play, not a chance in **** of winning.
Old Jun 27, 2011 | 04:54 PM
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What do you suggest? Move it to STX? Then all the older GD chassis have the same argument. Most blame it on Subaru for so many great improvements in so little time. You're only guaranteed a place to play, not a chance in **** of winning.
IDK, I don't feel that the older GD cars are at a disadvantage to the GE/GH, really - especially the 2.5 GDs. The 09+ GE/GH has the extra power but also is heavier and has a longer wheelbase. I run against alot of moderately-built STX GDs (even the older 2.0 cars) and they are just as quick with similar mods and tires. The VF52 is nice for power, but it spools alot slower than the older TD08s and is not as advantageous on an autocross course as it would be on a road course.

The Mazdaspeed3, from what I have seen, runs just as fast as the 09+ wrx in everything except rain yet is still in STX.

Obviously everyone except the top dogs are going to complain about being in the wrong class. Which means I get to complain too
Old Jun 27, 2011 | 10:51 PM
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There is always a dominant chassis and there are always cars who don't have a snowballs chance when measured up against others in their ranks.

The only way to take care of that is to all but double the number of classes but then you end up seeing events with one or two cars running in some classes.

Its an unfair and unfun world and because of this I do crapcan endurance racing.
Old Jun 28, 2011 | 03:52 PM
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I really don't care that much anyhow, just *****ing lol. I haven't run SCCA in a couple seasons for that very reason. I run with other clubs (including BMW CCA) that run various classing/handicap systems - some of which work well, others that don't - but don't have SCCA classes - meaning I can build the car how I like it on the street (including tune) and not have to bump up to ridiculous SP or M classes as I would in SCCA.

I haven't actually won an event in my class in 2 years, but won the BMWCCA season series last year in one of their 4 non-BMW classes by consistently taking 2nd and 3rd places while other guys went 1st some events and 10th others....consistency won it.

Plus it seems that all the other clubs around here cost about half as much for membership and event fees as SCCA and are just as much fun and use alot of the same lots. So basically I've sworn off SCCA for the foreseeable future....especially with the stupid high season membership dues for DC region and the PITA nitpicky classing rules that take some of the fun out of building a car that is actually fun to drive.
Old Nov 27, 2011 | 04:14 PM
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I should have been in STX, I just came back from my first SCCA autocross run and I was running with miatas and civics running Hoosiers.. It wasn't really fair hahaaa
Old Nov 28, 2011 | 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by a33i30
I should have been in STX, I just came back from my first SCCA autocross run and I was running with miatas and civics running Hoosiers.. It wasn't really fair hahaaa
Top STC Civics on Toyo street tires have become as fast as an E stock r-comp Miata lately.
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Bejay so from what I am reading if I race locally I will now be racing like 3 people in fords as the Scions are moved to a different class.
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Bejay so from what I am reading if I race locally I will now be racing like 3 people in fords as the Scions are moved to a different class.
Mark, even the newer Focus goes to STF too. I pulled last's years drivers from SCCA Chi, Mil, and TSSCC and all that remains in STC will be Imprezza, ZX2, Versa, Celica, and Rabbit. Easy to compete unless the Civic's from up north come down to play.
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Just makes me sad as the class was rather fun with the group that was in it at least locally. Not like I would ever try to compete with the damn wishbone front suspension on those anemic Civics.

Was hoping to have a lot more fun last season until some family issues came up that had to be handled.

Need to improve the driver a lot. Did figure out that when I replaced the clutch I hadn't cleaned up the bellhousing to engine area enough which was causing a lot of wierd issues. I think that was when you were riding along with me that last time I was able to track it. Didn't have time to fix it that summer so was stuck driving a minivan or my 300zx until time freed up.

Still wish I could find somebody to bend my rear beam locally. Or just find a rust free GXE shell with no sunroof.
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For all that effort just switch cars Or throw 265/255 tires on the front, 205's on the rear, add Quaife, and run STX. That'll get you more than removing the sunroof and trying to cut the weight.

Except for the Civic's, STC should be fun again locally and even possible to win. Back in 02-04 competition was great vs Sentra, Accord, Imprezza, Prelude, Neon, Integra, Scirocco, RSX, etc. In '03 we had 40+ unique local drivers running the class. VQ torque is amazing against the smaller 4-bangers.
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VW Jetta/Golf approved for STF

Street Touring
5. The following new listings, effective immediately upon publication, have been recommended by the STAC and approved by
the SEB:
Volkswagen Golf/Jetta TDI (’99-’06) STF (#5386)
Nissan 200SX SE-R (’95-’98) STC (#6444)
Nissan Sentra SE (’98-’99) STC (#6444)
Nissan Sentra SE (’00-’01) STC (#6444)
http://www.scca.com/assets/12-fastrack-march-solo.pdf

Somehow a '99 Jetta is considered "new" enough for inclusion into STF. Sounds like a strong precedent for somebody to lobby the A32 and A33 Maxima's into STF as well now...
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