View Poll Results: Did JClaw rip off HNDA ETR?
Yes, yes he did. He's a little B1tch that should get an @nal r@ping



5
41.67%
No, he didn't rip you off. (I don't know how anyone would think this, but oh well...)



1
8.33%
It was a misunderstanding and JClaw should have been a man about it and refunded your money.



6
50.00%
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Ripped off by JClaw? You tell me...
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Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 2,129
From: San Fernando Valley CALI
Not Ripped off by JClaw!
Just so everyone knows, JClaw and I were able to resolve the issue. I am happy with the outcome and I appreciate the fact that JClaw was honest with me.
just read the whole thing. I would have to side with you on this one. there is no argument here. The fact of the matter is he sent you a part he thought would work and it doesn't so regaurdless of what the delaership told him he sent you the wrong part. I could understand him not want to refund all your money but he should refund your money minus shipping.
Also seemed to me like he was trying to skim on the shipping too....
Also seemed to me like he was trying to skim on the shipping too....
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Posts: 2,434
From: Central Valley, California
I recently purchased some motor mounts from him and there was some problems with shipping. I got one motor mount instead of two. He seemed very apologetic and was willing to refund half of the purchase price. Hopefully he will see this and give his side on it. He seems like a good guy.
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Looks like you got ripped off. He basically sent you something different than what he promised, which constitutes fraud. All your money should be refunded, since you shouldn't have to pay for him to ship you something you don't want.
This guy seems pretty shady from the posts i've from him. Thanks for the heads up, definitely won't be dealing with this scammer.
This guy seems pretty shady from the posts i've from him. Thanks for the heads up, definitely won't be dealing with this scammer.
Iliac, the situation with the motor mounts was an issue with the shipping service. I provided the shipping weight of 4.779 KG, which is what the box, with both mounts, weighted when it left, and the one you got weighted 2.26-2.27 KG per your own balance, and contained only one mount.
As I said, I'm sorry about this and I will not be using this shipping service anymore, and the one I switched to (which is what I used to ship HNDA's MAF) is more expensive but at least it gets there, and in time. Keep me updated about the claim.
As you can CLEARLY see in the post in which I advertised the MAF (last edited April 17th, long before any of this happened), the part number is 22680-CA000. And that is EXACTLY what he got. VQ35DE MAF numbered 22680-CA000. I can even show you the picture I took before sending it out:

Try shipping something across the US/Canada border without paying ridiculous fees, especially when he needs it in 3 days.
There's an impass here. He was quick to call me a liar multiple times, which clearly means he doesn't trust me. So he isn't just going to send me back the MAF and cross his fingers that I pay him back only when I get it.
On the flip side, the guy took the sensor out of the MAF. He could have done anything he possibly wanted to the actual sensor before putting it back in the plastic housing and sending it back to me, for all I know. You want me to rely on blind luck, trust and the good will of a guy who puts up "Yes, yes he did. He's a little B1tch that should get an @nal r@ping" in his poll options? Thanks, but no thanks.
I'll also add that he omitted the message he wrote me just before my last post.
Think whatever you want guys. You already have your opinions formed anyway.
As I said, I'm sorry about this and I will not be using this shipping service anymore, and the one I switched to (which is what I used to ship HNDA's MAF) is more expensive but at least it gets there, and in time. Keep me updated about the claim.
Originally Posted by $tillenmax2k
Looks like you got ripped off. He basically sent you something different than what he promised, which constitutes fraud.

Originally Posted by zack342
Also seemed to me like he was trying to skim on the shipping too....
Originally Posted by zack342
just read the whole thing. I would have to side with you on this one. there is no argument here. The fact of the matter is he sent you a part he thought would work and it doesn't so regaurdless of what the delaership told him he sent you the wrong part. I could understand him not want to refund all your money but he should refund your money minus shipping.
On the flip side, the guy took the sensor out of the MAF. He could have done anything he possibly wanted to the actual sensor before putting it back in the plastic housing and sending it back to me, for all I know. You want me to rely on blind luck, trust and the good will of a guy who puts up "Yes, yes he did. He's a little B1tch that should get an @nal r@ping" in his poll options? Thanks, but no thanks.
I'll also add that he omitted the message he wrote me just before my last post.
Think whatever you want guys. You already have your opinions formed anyway.
Since you posted this as a public poll I think that gives me the right to interject here. Although I usually avoid getting into other peoples affairs such as this.
It appears to me that this is just a simple misunderstanding. JClaw, as many people know, isn't what you would call my favorite charachter on Maxima.org but I completely refuse to believe that he deliberatly ripped you off. He obviously made a mistake by selling you a part that you can't use and you obviously made the mistake of purchasing a part that you didn't confirm to be correct prior to purchase. This is entirely a matter of equally shared responsibility. So I propose that the two of you settle this more appropriately instead of shedding your remaining credibility by stooping to name calling, etc.
It appears to me that this is just a simple misunderstanding. JClaw, as many people know, isn't what you would call my favorite charachter on Maxima.org but I completely refuse to believe that he deliberatly ripped you off. He obviously made a mistake by selling you a part that you can't use and you obviously made the mistake of purchasing a part that you didn't confirm to be correct prior to purchase. This is entirely a matter of equally shared responsibility. So I propose that the two of you settle this more appropriately instead of shedding your remaining credibility by stooping to name calling, etc.
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,434
From: Central Valley, California
Originally Posted by JClaw
Iliac, the situation with the motor mounts was an issue with the shipping service. I provided the shipping weight of 4.779 KG, which is what the box, with both mounts, weighted when it left, and the one you got weighted 2.26-2.27 KG per your own balance, and contained only one mount.
As I said, I'm sorry about this and I will not be using this shipping service anymore, and the one I switched to (which is what I used to ship HNDA's MAF) is more expensive but at least it gets there, and in time. Keep me updated about the claim.
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As I said, I'm sorry about this and I will not be using this shipping service anymore, and the one I switched to (which is what I used to ship HNDA's MAF) is more expensive but at least it gets there, and in time. Keep me updated about the claim.
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Yeah, I know, what I meant when I typed that "he will hopefully come in and chime in on what is going on", is with your issue with hnda etr.
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Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 2,129
From: San Fernando Valley CALI
As you can CLEARLY see in the post in which I advertised the MAF (last edited April 17th, long before any of this happened), the part number is 22680-CA000. And that is EXACTLY what he got. VQ35DE MAF numbered 22680-CA000. I can even show you the picture I took before sending it out:
And it CLEARLY was not.
Try shipping something across the US/Canada border without paying ridiculous fees, especially when he needs it in 3 days.
There's an impass here. He was quick to call me a liar multiple times, which clearly means he doesn't trust me. So he isn't just going to send me back the MAF and cross his fingers that I pay him back only when I get it.
On the flip side, the guy took the sensor out of the MAF. He could have done anything he possibly wanted to the actual sensor before putting it back in the plastic housing and sending it back to me, for all I know.
You want me to rely on blind luck, trust and the good will of a guy who puts up "Yes, yes he did. He's a little B1tch that should get an @nal r@ping" in his poll options? Thanks, but no thanks.
The fact is, I didn't have to post a poll at all. I could have just come in here and rant and rave and call you all kinds of names, but I didn't. I gave people the opportunity to tell me I was wrong and that you didn't rip me off...
I'll also add that he omitted the message he wrote me just before my last post.
Think whatever you want guys. You already have your opinions formed anyway.
And going back to what you said here:
There's an impass here. He was quick to call me a liar multiple times, which clearly means he doesn't trust me. So he isn't just going to send me back the MAF and cross his fingers that I pay him back only when I get it.
Let me also point out, that I TOLD you I was going to post in the feedback section... So this thread should come as NO surprise to you.
The bottom line is this. If you are an honest person with integrity and want to make this right, then let's work something out.
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Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 2,129
From: San Fernando Valley CALI
Originally Posted by SR20DEN
Since you posted this as a public poll I think that gives me the right to interject here. Although I usually avoid getting into other peoples affairs such as this.
It appears to me that this is just a simple misunderstanding. JClaw, as many people know, isn't what you would call my favorite charachter on Maxima.org but I completely refuse to believe that he deliberatly ripped you off. He obviously made a mistake by selling you a part that you can't use and you obviously made the mistake of purchasing a part that you didn't confirm to be correct prior to purchase. This is entirely a matter of equally shared responsibility. So I propose that the two of you settle this more appropriately instead of shedding your remaining credibility by stooping to name calling, etc.
It appears to me that this is just a simple misunderstanding. JClaw, as many people know, isn't what you would call my favorite charachter on Maxima.org but I completely refuse to believe that he deliberatly ripped you off. He obviously made a mistake by selling you a part that you can't use and you obviously made the mistake of purchasing a part that you didn't confirm to be correct prior to purchase. This is entirely a matter of equally shared responsibility. So I propose that the two of you settle this more appropriately instead of shedding your remaining credibility by stooping to name calling, etc.

[edit] Every attempt other than actually driving to the dealership and trying to get them to pull out an Alty MAF for me to look at[\edit]
The fact is that JClaw made no attempt at working this out. That's why I posted here in the first place.
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Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 2,129
From: San Fernando Valley CALI
Originally Posted by Iilac
Yeah, I know, what I meant when I typed that "he will hopefully come in and chime in on what is going on", is with your issue with hnda etr.
I just read all the posts and this is how I feel about it.
It seems that HNDA ETR did make every attempt to make sure the MAF sensor would fit in his 2002 application. But like Nismo3112 said, there may really be a difference with Canadian and US spec MAFs.
Either way however I think JClaw should still honor HNDA ETR a full refund, perhaps minus the shipping costs. A MAF that doesn't fit won't do him any good.
It seems that HNDA ETR did make every attempt to make sure the MAF sensor would fit in his 2002 application. But like Nismo3112 said, there may really be a difference with Canadian and US spec MAFs.
Either way however I think JClaw should still honor HNDA ETR a full refund, perhaps minus the shipping costs. A MAF that doesn't fit won't do him any good.
Thread Starter
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 2,129
From: San Fernando Valley CALI
Originally Posted by Nismo3112
Maybe the MAF was a Canadian spec? I know JClaw's throttle position sensor looked way different than mine when we were doing the E-Gas to Cable conversion.
[edit] as far as i know [\edit]
Originally Posted by ewuzh
It seems that HNDA ETR did make every attempt to make sure the MAF sensor would fit in his 2002 application. But like Nismo3112 said, there may really be a difference with Canadian and US spec MAFs.
Originally Posted by HNDA ETR
They have their opinions formed based on the information that I posted here. Your rebuttal in this thread may make them, and others, think otherwise about you.
Originally Posted by HNDA ETR
And going back to what you said here:
You are correct. I don't think I'd be willing to send you the MAF back first and HOPE that you refund me the money. If anything, I would want you to refund me the money and THEN I would ship it back to you. And before you start saying how would you be able to trust me, how do you know I wouldn't just keep the money and the MAF. Keep in mind that there is absolutely NO bad post about me ripping anyone off in all of the org.
You are correct. I don't think I'd be willing to send you the MAF back first and HOPE that you refund me the money. If anything, I would want you to refund me the money and THEN I would ship it back to you. And before you start saying how would you be able to trust me, how do you know I wouldn't just keep the money and the MAF. Keep in mind that there is absolutely NO bad post about me ripping anyone off in all of the org.
Originally Posted by HNDA ETR
Let me also point out, that I TOLD you I was going to post in the feedback section... So this thread should come as NO surprise to you.
Originally Posted by HNDA ETR
The bottom line is this. If you are an honest person with integrity and want to make this right, then let's work something out.
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Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 2,129
From: San Fernando Valley CALI
The sticky on Altimas.net mentions several part #'s, whether this is a difference between the location spec or the production date for the same model year is not clear, and the safest thing would have been to call his local dealership, give the part number I gave him (22680-CA000) and see if it works on his specific car. I doubt the junkyard sold me the wrong year.
Also, the dealership isn't ever going to say it's ok to use an Alty MAF in a Maxima - just won't happen. They're worried about liability if anything went wrong.
No. The damage is done.
And there were none about me before this one. Search if you don't believe me. Again, you want me to trust you when you're clearly holding a grudge.
Also, keep in mind, I reported him to PayPal and was refunded over 50% of my money - I got the rest of it back from my credit card company. Also, Sprinty said he would ban this fool if it would make me feel better - I never asked him to cuz I figured he would never be back (he hasn't). The point here is that I didn't report you to PayPal because I'm assuming it's a misunderstanding and you didn't INTENTIONALLY rip me off and I didn't approach Sprint or any other mod about you.
You took the maf element out of its housing, I don't even think it can be put back in it in working order.
I don't think this can be solved without relying on trust, which just isn't possible at this point
I never said it came as a surprise. I just felt the need to post my side of this.
PM me if you come up with a reasonably safe way for both of us to solve this.
I will send you back the MAF first - at this point I have nothing to lose anyway. Once you have it, you can PayPal me back the $120 (I'm going to end up eating the shipping cost sending it back to you).
Once you have the MAF, you can let everyone know you received it and once I get the refund, I'll let everyone know I got it and I'm satisified. I'll then approach a mod about the possibility of deleting this thread. Even if they won't do it, people will still see my post saying that we resolved everythin.
What does posting this info here accomplish you ask? It is a public record. If you decide to keep the MAF without refunding me, I'll post that and everyone will see that you ripped me off. However if you do refund me, everyone will see that we were able to work it out and you didn't rip me off.
If this is agreeable to you, post your reply here so that everyone can see that we're in agreement.
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Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 2,129
From: San Fernando Valley CALI
Looks like we have a deal...
Re: compromise
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Stephane Xxxxxxxx
XXX Xxxxxxxxxxxx
XX-XXXXXX-XX-XXXXXX
XXX XXX, QC, Canada
I believe I have your paypal address.
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Originally Posted by HNDA ETR
I don't have your addy... send it to me...
The MAF is in the exact same condition as when you sent it to me... so if it worked then, it'll work now.
Roy
Originally Posted by JClaw
That works for me only if the MAF is in working order. I believe you have my address. You'll get the 120$ through paypal (again, it HAS to be in usable condition, just like when I shipped it to you).
That works for me only if the MAF is in working order. I believe you have my address. You'll get the 120$ through paypal (again, it HAS to be in usable condition, just like when I shipped it to you).
I don't have your addy... send it to me...
The MAF is in the exact same condition as when you sent it to me... so if it worked then, it'll work now.
Roy
Stephane Xxxxxxxx
XXX Xxxxxxxxxxxx
XX-XXXXXX-XX-XXXXXX
XXX XXX, QC, Canada
I believe I have your paypal address.
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Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 2,129
From: San Fernando Valley CALI
MAF is on it's way back... Shipped out today and should be there in 3-4 business days - So you should get it back by Friday (hopefully).
Tracking number is "ED 613429112 US" and you can track it through the USPS website: Track Here
I'll pm you the same info.
Tracking number is "ED 613429112 US" and you can track it through the USPS website: Track Here
I'll pm you the same info.
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