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Yes, yes he did. He's a little B1tch that should get an @nal r@ping
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Old May 3, 2005 | 04:47 PM
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Not Ripped off by JClaw!

Just so everyone knows, JClaw and I were able to resolve the issue. I am happy with the outcome and I appreciate the fact that JClaw was honest with me.
Old May 3, 2005 | 05:34 PM
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just read the whole thing. I would have to side with you on this one. there is no argument here. The fact of the matter is he sent you a part he thought would work and it doesn't so regaurdless of what the delaership told him he sent you the wrong part. I could understand him not want to refund all your money but he should refund your money minus shipping.
Also seemed to me like he was trying to skim on the shipping too....
Old May 3, 2005 | 06:19 PM
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I recently purchased some motor mounts from him and there was some problems with shipping. I got one motor mount instead of two. He seemed very apologetic and was willing to refund half of the purchase price. Hopefully he will see this and give his side on it. He seems like a good guy.
Old May 3, 2005 | 06:52 PM
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Looks like you got ripped off. He basically sent you something different than what he promised, which constitutes fraud. All your money should be refunded, since you shouldn't have to pay for him to ship you something you don't want.
This guy seems pretty shady from the posts i've from him. Thanks for the heads up, definitely won't be dealing with this scammer.
Old May 3, 2005 | 07:01 PM
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Iliac, the situation with the motor mounts was an issue with the shipping service. I provided the shipping weight of 4.779 KG, which is what the box, with both mounts, weighted when it left, and the one you got weighted 2.26-2.27 KG per your own balance, and contained only one mount.

As I said, I'm sorry about this and I will not be using this shipping service anymore, and the one I switched to (which is what I used to ship HNDA's MAF) is more expensive but at least it gets there, and in time. Keep me updated about the claim.

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Looks like you got ripped off. He basically sent you something different than what he promised, which constitutes fraud.
As you can CLEARLY see in the post in which I advertised the MAF (last edited April 17th, long before any of this happened), the part number is 22680-CA000. And that is EXACTLY what he got. VQ35DE MAF numbered 22680-CA000. I can even show you the picture I took before sending it out:



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Also seemed to me like he was trying to skim on the shipping too....
Try shipping something across the US/Canada border without paying ridiculous fees, especially when he needs it in 3 days.

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just read the whole thing. I would have to side with you on this one. there is no argument here. The fact of the matter is he sent you a part he thought would work and it doesn't so regaurdless of what the delaership told him he sent you the wrong part. I could understand him not want to refund all your money but he should refund your money minus shipping.
There's an impass here. He was quick to call me a liar multiple times, which clearly means he doesn't trust me. So he isn't just going to send me back the MAF and cross his fingers that I pay him back only when I get it.

On the flip side, the guy took the sensor out of the MAF. He could have done anything he possibly wanted to the actual sensor before putting it back in the plastic housing and sending it back to me, for all I know. You want me to rely on blind luck, trust and the good will of a guy who puts up "Yes, yes he did. He's a little B1tch that should get an @nal r@ping" in his poll options? Thanks, but no thanks.

I'll also add that he omitted the message he wrote me just before my last post.

Think whatever you want guys. You already have your opinions formed anyway.
Old May 3, 2005 | 07:28 PM
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Since you posted this as a public poll I think that gives me the right to interject here. Although I usually avoid getting into other peoples affairs such as this.

It appears to me that this is just a simple misunderstanding. JClaw, as many people know, isn't what you would call my favorite charachter on Maxima.org but I completely refuse to believe that he deliberatly ripped you off. He obviously made a mistake by selling you a part that you can't use and you obviously made the mistake of purchasing a part that you didn't confirm to be correct prior to purchase. This is entirely a matter of equally shared responsibility. So I propose that the two of you settle this more appropriately instead of shedding your remaining credibility by stooping to name calling, etc.
Old May 3, 2005 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JClaw
Iliac, the situation with the motor mounts was an issue with the shipping service. I provided the shipping weight of 4.779 KG, which is what the box, with both mounts, weighted when it left, and the one you got weighted 2.26-2.27 KG per your own balance, and contained only one mount.

As I said, I'm sorry about this and I will not be using this shipping service anymore, and the one I switched to (which is what I used to ship HNDA's MAF) is more expensive but at least it gets there, and in time. Keep me updated about the claim.

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Yeah, I know, what I meant when I typed that "he will hopefully come in and chime in on what is going on", is with your issue with hnda etr.
Old May 3, 2005 | 08:56 PM
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As you can CLEARLY see in the post in which I advertised the MAF (last edited April 17th, long before any of this happened), the part number is 22680-CA000. And that is EXACTLY what he got. VQ35DE MAF numbered 22680-CA000. I can even show you the picture I took before sending it out:
I never disputed the fact that you sent me the part you said you were selling. What I was disputing was the fact that I made mention, multiple times, that the MAF element HAD to be a drop in replacement for the 2002 Maxima MAF - which you said it was.

And it CLEARLY was not.
Try shipping something across the US/Canada border without paying ridiculous fees, especially when he needs it in 3 days.
I never complained about the shipping fees. I don't know how much it costs to ship across the Canada/US border, but like you said, I wanted it right away and was willing to pay. You'll notice that I never made any mention about thinking you ripped me off in shipping costs.
There's an impass here. He was quick to call me a liar multiple times, which clearly means he doesn't trust me. So he isn't just going to send me back the MAF and cross his fingers that I pay him back only when I get it.
I NEVER called you a liar. In fact, you're the person who first used the word liar in your reply to me, saying "people accuse me of being a liar".
On the flip side, the guy took the sensor out of the MAF. He could have done anything he possibly wanted to the actual sensor before putting it back in the plastic housing and sending it back to me, for all I know.
The fact is that the MAF element is of no use to me, so I have no reason to do anything with it. In fact, if you remember, you shipped the MAF to my friend Tony's house. He's the one who told me it was the wrong one and sent me a picture of it. And before you say that who knows what he could have done to it, keep in mind that he's a Nissan Master Technician - 16 years. If anyone is qualified to remove a MAF element, it's him.
You want me to rely on blind luck, trust and the good will of a guy who puts up "Yes, yes he did. He's a little B1tch that should get an @nal r@ping" in his poll options? Thanks, but no thanks.
Yeah, that was funny wasn't it.. The fact is, I didn't have to post a poll at all. I could have just come in here and rant and rave and call you all kinds of names, but I didn't. I gave people the opportunity to tell me I was wrong and that you didn't rip me off...
I'll also add that he omitted the message he wrote me just before my last post.
I would be more than happy, if you would post that message. I never said I posted every message we had. Fact is, I only posted the ones I had not deleted yet. If you have the other message, feel free to post it. But then again, there may not have been another message - especially if you can't prove it. And even if there was another message I didn't post, which I'm not saying that there wasn't, who knows what it says? If you don't post it, there's no proof of life. What's to stop you from saying that I called you names and sang Blame Canada to you?
Think whatever you want guys. You already have your opinions formed anyway.
They have their opinions formed based on the information that I posted here. Your rebuttal in this thread may make them, and others, think otherwise about you.

And going back to what you said here:
There's an impass here. He was quick to call me a liar multiple times, which clearly means he doesn't trust me. So he isn't just going to send me back the MAF and cross his fingers that I pay him back only when I get it.
You are correct. I don't think I'd be willing to send you the MAF back first and HOPE that you refund me the money. If anything, I would want you to refund me the money and THEN I would ship it back to you. And before you start saying how would you be able to trust me, how do you know I wouldn't just keep the money and the MAF. Keep in mind that there is absolutely NO bad post about me ripping anyone off in all of the org. You can also see my ebay feedback, of which there are 239 POSITIVE feedbacks, 0 Neutrals and 0 Negatives. My ebay idea is royalh13 - which you'll notice is the same as my email address from paypal - royalh13@yahoo.com.

Let me also point out, that I TOLD you I was going to post in the feedback section... So this thread should come as NO surprise to you.

The bottom line is this. If you are an honest person with integrity and want to make this right, then let's work something out.
Old May 3, 2005 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SR20DEN
Since you posted this as a public poll I think that gives me the right to interject here. Although I usually avoid getting into other peoples affairs such as this.

It appears to me that this is just a simple misunderstanding. JClaw, as many people know, isn't what you would call my favorite charachter on Maxima.org but I completely refuse to believe that he deliberatly ripped you off. He obviously made a mistake by selling you a part that you can't use and you obviously made the mistake of purchasing a part that you didn't confirm to be correct prior to purchase. This is entirely a matter of equally shared responsibility. So I propose that the two of you settle this more appropriately instead of shedding your remaining credibility by stooping to name calling, etc.
Wrong. I made EVERY attempt to verify that the MAF Element would work for me - read all the messages again.

[edit] Every attempt other than actually driving to the dealership and trying to get them to pull out an Alty MAF for me to look at[\edit]

The fact is that JClaw made no attempt at working this out. That's why I posted here in the first place.
Old May 3, 2005 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Iilac
Yeah, I know, what I meant when I typed that "he will hopefully come in and chime in on what is going on", is with your issue with hnda etr.
I understood what you said.
Old May 3, 2005 | 09:50 PM
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Maybe the MAF was a Canadian spec? I know JClaw's throttle position sensor looked way different than mine when we were doing the E-Gas to Cable conversion.
Old May 3, 2005 | 11:13 PM
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I just read all the posts and this is how I feel about it.

It seems that HNDA ETR did make every attempt to make sure the MAF sensor would fit in his 2002 application. But like Nismo3112 said, there may really be a difference with Canadian and US spec MAFs.

Either way however I think JClaw should still honor HNDA ETR a full refund, perhaps minus the shipping costs. A MAF that doesn't fit won't do him any good.
Old May 3, 2005 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Nismo3112
Maybe the MAF was a Canadian spec? I know JClaw's throttle position sensor looked way different than mine when we were doing the E-Gas to Cable conversion.
There is no such thing as a canadian spec MAF...

[edit] as far as i know [\edit]
Old May 4, 2005 | 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ewuzh
It seems that HNDA ETR did make every attempt to make sure the MAF sensor would fit in his 2002 application. But like Nismo3112 said, there may really be a difference with Canadian and US spec MAFs.
The sticky on Altimas.net mentions several part #'s, whether this is a difference between the location spec or the production date for the same model year is not clear, and the safest thing would have been to call his local dealership, give the part number I gave him (22680-CA000) and see if it works on his specific car. I doubt the junkyard sold me the wrong year.

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They have their opinions formed based on the information that I posted here. Your rebuttal in this thread may make them, and others, think otherwise about you.
No. The damage is done.

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And going back to what you said here:
You are correct. I don't think I'd be willing to send you the MAF back first and HOPE that you refund me the money. If anything, I would want you to refund me the money and THEN I would ship it back to you. And before you start saying how would you be able to trust me, how do you know I wouldn't just keep the money and the MAF. Keep in mind that there is absolutely NO bad post about me ripping anyone off in all of the org.
And there were none about me before this one. Search if you don't believe me. Again, you want me to trust you when you're clearly holding a grudge. You took the maf element out of its housing, I don't even think it can be put back in it in working order. I don't think this can be solved without relying on trust, which just isn't possible at this point.

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Let me also point out, that I TOLD you I was going to post in the feedback section... So this thread should come as NO surprise to you.
I never said it came as a surprise. I just felt the need to post my side of this.

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The bottom line is this. If you are an honest person with integrity and want to make this right, then let's work something out.
PM me if you come up with a reasonably safe way for both of us to solve this.
Old May 4, 2005 | 11:20 AM
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The sticky on Altimas.net mentions several part #'s, whether this is a difference between the location spec or the production date for the same model year is not clear, and the safest thing would have been to call his local dealership, give the part number I gave him (22680-CA000) and see if it works on his specific car. I doubt the junkyard sold me the wrong year.
There are multiple part numbers for the Maxima MAF also - but that does make them different in the shape and way they're built. It just means there is a revision.

Also, the dealership isn't ever going to say it's ok to use an Alty MAF in a Maxima - just won't happen. They're worried about liability if anything went wrong.
No. The damage is done.
Take a look at the poll - more people are saying that this is a misunderstanding. Let's work it out and if we're both satisfied, maybe we can get a mod to delete the thread.
And there were none about me before this one. Search if you don't believe me. Again, you want me to trust you when you're clearly holding a grudge.
I'm not holding a grudge. I stated my case and let the org decide. If you want to see a grudge, see my posts about getting ripped off for $1000: http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=373684 and http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=368276 Now I DO have a grudge against this thief!

Also, keep in mind, I reported him to PayPal and was refunded over 50% of my money - I got the rest of it back from my credit card company. Also, Sprinty said he would ban this fool if it would make me feel better - I never asked him to cuz I figured he would never be back (he hasn't). The point here is that I didn't report you to PayPal because I'm assuming it's a misunderstanding and you didn't INTENTIONALLY rip me off and I didn't approach Sprint or any other mod about you.
You took the maf element out of its housing, I don't even think it can be put back in it in working order.
Incorrect. The MAF element can be removed from the housing with NO ill effect. In fact, people are always removing the MAF element from the housing to use a 2K/2K1 MAF for the 2K2/2K3 Maxima.
I don't think this can be solved without relying on trust, which just isn't possible at this point
Like I said, if you're honestly willing to solve this, we can do it.
I never said it came as a surprise. I just felt the need to post my side of this.
I know you didn't say it was a surprise. My point was that I've always been 100% honest with you - even letting you know I was going to post in the feedback section.
PM me if you come up with a reasonably safe way for both of us to solve this.
Here's my thought, and I'll PM you with it too - I'm just posting it here so that everyone can see what's happening - and if it works out, then we can say it worked out. If it doesn't, I'll say it doesn't.

I will send you back the MAF first - at this point I have nothing to lose anyway. Once you have it, you can PayPal me back the $120 (I'm going to end up eating the shipping cost sending it back to you).

Once you have the MAF, you can let everyone know you received it and once I get the refund, I'll let everyone know I got it and I'm satisified. I'll then approach a mod about the possibility of deleting this thread. Even if they won't do it, people will still see my post saying that we resolved everythin.

What does posting this info here accomplish you ask? It is a public record. If you decide to keep the MAF without refunding me, I'll post that and everyone will see that you ripped me off. However if you do refund me, everyone will see that we were able to work it out and you didn't rip me off.

If this is agreeable to you, post your reply here so that everyone can see that we're in agreement.
Old May 4, 2005 | 11:25 AM
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PM Sent to you with exact same offer as above.
Old May 4, 2005 | 01:14 PM
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Looks like we have a deal...

Re: compromise

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Originally Posted by HNDA ETR
Originally Posted by JClaw
That works for me only if the MAF is in working order. I believe you have my address. You'll get the 120$ through paypal (again, it HAS to be in usable condition, just like when I shipped it to you).


I don't have your addy... send it to me...

The MAF is in the exact same condition as when you sent it to me... so if it worked then, it'll work now.

Roy


Stephane Xxxxxxxx
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XX-XXXXXX-XX-XXXXXX
XXX XXX, QC, Canada

I believe I have your paypal address.
Old May 4, 2005 | 01:51 PM
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Good to see this is on the way to getting resolved.
Old May 9, 2005 | 06:11 PM
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MAF is on it's way back... Shipped out today and should be there in 3-4 business days - So you should get it back by Friday (hopefully).

Tracking number is "ED 613429112 US" and you can track it through the USPS website: Track Here

I'll pm you the same info.
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