RTPMax

I'm going into the dealer for my first oil change(2K2 Max) to let them take off the factory oil filter(and then, by hand, put on the new one) as well as putting in the new FRAM SureDrain for future oil changes I do myself. The dealer has no problems with me bringing in my own Mobil 1 oil and Mobil 1 filter, but keeps telling me that the Nissan Oil Filter has a valve that keeps the oil in the filter when the car is off, as opposed to other filters that let all of the oil drain when the engine isn't running. I've done a search through previous threads as well as search the Mobil 1 website and can't find anything to confirm or refute the dealer's claims that the Nissan Oil Filter is better than others. Can anyone shed some light?

TimW

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the OEM Nissan filters are great. I cant speak for the new lower capacity 3.5L (smaller) filters, but I understand they have the same filter area, just lower capacity. Almost all filters made for the max will have a check valve. If the check valve is bad or you dont have one, you'd have mad clatter at startup.

If you intend to lower you car (my max almost bottoms out stock in my driveway), then you should rethink the Suredrain. Its angled and can be hit by debris or if your car bottoms out. When I have scraped, its the exhaust... this would also be about where the suredrain end would be.

There are some other options that are just levers and a spout (not much larger than the drain plug they replace) as opposed to that long suredrain. that would be much safer for the max.

bill99gxe

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Such as the Fumoto Valve: www.fumotovalve.com

10% discount when using the YM3 coupon code. They are about $25 and MUCH better designed than the Fram one.


But honestly, the plug is fairly convenient and I don't see the need unless you have by-pass filtration and are taking measured oil samples occasionally. With that, the Fumoto valve restricts the how fast the oil comes out, thus it's easier to take samples...


I would be wary of a smaller filter for the 3.5VQ. Increasing the engine size and decreasing the effective filtering area isn't a good combination......but I don't know if there is a further physical limitation on whether a longer filter could fit anyway. As a point of reference, the Mobil 1 M1-108 is recommended for the 3.5 VQs and it's a good inch (maybe more) shorter than the M1-110 for the 3.0 VQs. I would try and shoehorn the largest filter possible....

iwannabmw

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The Mobil 1 filter is a great filter. TimW is also right. For a cheaper paper filter, the Nissan one does a commendable job. I would never use a filter like Fram. They are so inferior it is worth it to spend the extra buck on the Nissan one.

Most quality filters today have an anti-drain back valve, so in this case, the dealer is just trying to push their parts. There is no drawback in using the Mobil 1 filter, of course, I still prefer the Amsoil filters overall

RTPMax

The filter that I've purchased already is the M1-108. Is it shorter than the OEM Nissan Filter? Also, since joining this forum a couple of days ago, I've read hours worth of threads related to oil and filter choices. I know at one point someone had brought up a concern with having enough oil pressure if you switched to a larger filter. Is the M1-110 too large and does it have the same thread size?

asu174

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I just put the Sure Drain on. While it does stick out a wee bit, I am not too worried because my Y Pipe sticks down about an inch further. I'd have to run over a pretty large piece of road debris (ie: ladder, dead body, etc) to have it be affected.

RTPMax

Never received an a reply to my oil pressure question between the M1-108 and the M1-110, so is anyone using the larger M1-110 filter on a 2K2 Maxima(ie. 3.5 VQ)?

SR20DEN

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I always use the Nissan OEM filter because they are very high quality and If I didn't use that on I would only use Purolator. I was unaware of the aprt numbers on any larger filter but my oil change is due shortly. If that M1-110 will fit i'll use it from now on.

iwannabmw

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The MI-110 is the right filter for the VQ30DE, and since there are many common filters between the 30 and 35 series motor, I don't see why you couldn't use the MI-110 as well.

bill99gxe

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The VQ35 *could* be wider or sit a little more towards the passenger side, but that seems unlikely to me as well.

jkratzer

I'm using a Napa Gold filter. I've heard only good things about this filter.

SSandMaxima

The Purolator PureONE filters have a pretty good reputation and only cost $5

wdave

The volume of the filter will not affect oil pressure except at start up while the pump makes up for whatever got past the anti drainback valve. On the other hand, a larger volume filter might be presumed to have more surface area of element, giving less pressure drop across the filter, and better pressure and flow for the rest of the engine.

SR20DEN

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Ok guys, I just finished changing my earl and I have found what could be the perfect fit filter for the VQ35DE. Purolator part # L24458. It fits like a glove and looks like it's supposed to be on the engine alot more so than the tiny filter that Nissan recommends.

Credit for this find goes to the Gunk salesman who was working at the Advance store I just went to. As it turns out the guy owns a 2002 Maxima GLE. Ain't it a small world. They didn't have the Purolator reference book on hand so I had to ask for help. The guy just blurted out a number (he didn't really know which one to use before he looked it up) and I guess by divine intervention or something he was 100% correct.

Anyone else want to give it a shot? Cross reference Purolator part L24458 with whatever type of filter you want to use. And tell us what you think.

eymax

Don't know this to be true about Nissan but it is true of other makes. Subaru and VW. Wouldn't be suprised if it isn't accurate info. Did Mobil have a problem with Nissan filters?? If not, I would buy Nissans for safety.

sleepermax

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I tried the M-110 but found that it didn't thread as snugly as the Nissan OEM. Plus the Nissan is about $4.50 or so from DAVEB!

bill99gxe

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Many have used the M1-110 successfully and haven't had any issues, including me personally. That's odd...

NissanisGood

I don't see how the M1-108 is the right filter for the 3.5

The Nissan filter is the same size as the 110, isn't it? I know the Fram filter is the same size as the Nissan. The recommended size for the Fram is the same for the 2k1 and 2k2, so I think the 108 is too small. I just installed the 110 when I did my last oil change and it fits fine. Why would the Mobil be smaller?

Also, I traded in a 1998 Frontier on my 2k2. It used the same filter (2.4L), which I personnaly find disturbing. I thought the filter was too small for the 2.4, so imagine my surprise when I found out an engine with an extra 1.1L of displacement and a higher redline uses the same soup can-size filter.

I guess manufacturers like to have one filter for all of their cars. When my wife had a 1995 Escort it used the same filter as my grandfather's F-150 with a 5.0L.

SR20DEN

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I noticed today that you can't trust too much what Fram says. Look on their site for the 2002 Maxima filter. Then look for the 2002 Altima 3.5 Filter. Notice they don't match? Now look at the 2002 2.5 Altima filter. It's nice to know they hire dislexic people for data entry.

sleepermax

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The size of the filter is mostly irrelevant. What's important is the area of the filtering media. You can have a very large filter with a small filtering area due to very few folds, compared to a small filter with many more folds and thus a larger filtering area. That's why the small Nissan OEM is an excellent filter choice. It has a relatively generous filtering area, due to a large number of folds, and is very well designed insofar as the drain-back valve and other features. There was a site that compared the media area and other features of the Nisaan OEM with other filters, including Mobil One I believe, and it stacked up very well.
Anybody have this sites' address by the way (it's not the Mopar site)?

ChoppaBoy

does the purolator pure one filters have a drainback valve?

NissanisGood

When I mentioned the size of the filter I had the capacity in mind, not the filter media since most of the discussion seems to revolve around system pressure when referring to using different filter sizes. I should have been more specific.

As far as the filter itself is concerned, I can't remember the last time I saw an oil filter without a drainback valve. The only difference I have noticed is that some valves are silicon instead of rubber. Unless you leave the filter on for a year I don't see that it would make much difference.

I am going to open myself up for a royal flaming, but why is everyone so in love with the Nissan filter? Do you buy Nissan oil as well? It seems like most people are pretty religious about changing their oil every 3000 miles or so, and I can't believe that a filter with a 98% vs. 95% vs. 92% efficiency rating would make much difference other than piece of mind. I am a hypocrite, I buy Mobil 1 filters when I know that the chance of any added protection over a Wal-Mart brand filter is negligible, especially when the same company probably manufactures both.

My point is that I used nothing but Fram filters and Pennzoil 10W-30 on a 1988 Volvo 240 and put 244,000 trouble-free miles on the car. So I think in the end the durability of the engine is more important than the oil and filter you use. I think our VQs hold up just as well as anything else out there, so now I think I an idoit for spending so much damn money on oil and oil filters. I probably won't keep the car long enough for it to matter.

I say all of this as someone who drives totally stock. So if you have a SC and whatever else then I might say something different. Forget it, I am just being a post ***** right now and using up valuable server resources. I suck.

bill99gxe

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Yeah, the Nissan OEM filter following is almost cult-like here.


I don't use Fram because of a reputation for making poor quality products. Until they change that, I won't bother buying them. I am glad they have worked for you. Competitors such as STP and Bosch have filters identical to the Mobil 1, except for the synthetic paper media used in the Mobil 1 filters, and yet don't cost anymore than Fram ones.

Take about 30 minutes one day at Auto Zone, Wally World, etc. and look at all the filters. It's fairly easy to determine what brands are all made on the same line.

Those and the Purolator (non-Pure One) are my recommended filters. All cost the same as a Fram and the same or less than Nissan OEM.


Being ****, I use Amsoil filters. Otherwise I would use Mobil 1.

sleepermax

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Here's the link for the basic Nissan filter study I referred to earlier - Inside the Oil Filter

My recommended filters are:
1. Nissan OEM - best bang for the buck
2. AC Delco - nearly as good as the Nissan in construction and design, and less expensive. May very well be the best bang for the buck.
3. Mobil 1 - as long as it threads snugly
4. Purolator (Pure One line only)

I'd personally would try not to use the other Purolator lines, any of the Champion made filters (STP, Deutsch, Lee ect) because of their fragile filter element (see the conclusion in this Engine Oil Filter Study) and Fram filters.

bill99gxe

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I have to disagree regarding the PureONE. It is a fairly restrictive filter from the standpoint of trying to filter out too much and thus tending to restrict airflow. Many other forum sites comment on the extra restrictiveness of this filter and its affect on overall oil pressure.


The report you site is showing its age. Here is a good one with more recent results:

http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml

Unfortunately, there aren't a plethora of filters as in the original Mopar study.


Nissan OEM filters still run a distant fifth or sixth place, but that's just me.

sleepermax

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Hmm...that's good info about the PureOne. I wasn't aware of that potntial issue. By the way, would you happen to have a link(s) with more info on this? I'm just curious as to what appications this issue has cropped up on.

bill99gxe

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As usual, I have purged those links from my selective memory.

You can try these forums:

www.crownvic.net (It may be www.crownvics.net)

www.f150online.com

www.vwvortex.com

www.acura-cl.com

www.acura-tl.com

Do a search for "Purolator" or "PureOne" or "pure one". You should find where I have seen my concerns over this filter.


And when I say the OEM filter runs 5th or 6th, it's a VERY tight race from 1 to 4 or 5.


Just don't buy Frams and I won't flame.

dmbmaxima2k2

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ya i had nissan do my first oil change. i brought my own oil and they used a nissan fitler and were cool about it, charged me liek 15 bucks. i just wanted to show that on the record for my warranty that they never like to honor. BUT anyway, when i changed it myself recently i saw the filter and was like WTF i thought it was the wrong one. it's so tiny, i think a bigger one would fit, next time i change my oil i'll get one of each, the 3.0 fitler and the 3.5 fitler and see if i can make it fit and if it fits perfect. the Filter for the 3.5 is actually off a SR20DET motor, that's what it says on the box.

SR20DEN

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FYI, and to remind everyone once again. Purolator L24458 appears to be (within reason) the largest filter we can use. Cross reference that with whatever brand you wish to use. I installed one of these last Friday and I belive this is what I will be using from now on.

bill99gxe

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The PL24458 or the L24458 is a poor choice of filter for any VG/VE/VQ series engine. Why? The 24458 has a bypass valve pressure setting of 8 to 10 psi.

What does this mean? You will likely have your oil filter in bypass mode more often, which makes it not an optimal filter to use.

Nissan OEM filters use a 14psi bypass valve rating.

I'm still working/researching on other viable choices. And the L24458 isn't the biggest one that can/will work. Most of the issues with oversized filters that will work that I have come across involve their bypass valve readings of around 8 to 10psi, which is making it very difficult to find viable oversized VQ filter ratings.

The only one that is still a true oversized filter, works, and has a bypass valve rating (17 to 22 psi) that is acceptable is the STP S6941. Unfortunately, it is $7.00.

Green 2kSE

Bill, do you know the bypass psi #s for Mobil1 and Purolator?

bill99gxe

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Entirely depends on which one you are talking about, as most are different.

Besides the STP S6941 (several members are using this one on VQ30 and VQ35s), there are no other acceptable ones I have found in the "oversized" department.

I can tell you the OEM sized Purolator 14610/14620 (please don't use the 14620 due to a design issue that caused the 14610 to be used) have bypass valve ratings of 14 to 18 psi, which is acceptable. I have yet to find a good oversized Purolator app, and I've probably found half a dozen Purolators that were thread compatible, just their bypass valve psi ratings were 10 or lower.....

Green 2kSE

Thanks for the quick reply. I was mainly interested in the direct replacement filters such as M110 but the extra info is appreciated. Based on the bypass #s, it would make sense to use S6941 since it is oversized and presumably filters the oil over a wider rpm range than the Nissan OEM. A couple of extra bucks is nothing if the VQ health is at stake.

bill99gxe

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And honestly, I don't know the bypass valve settings for the M1-110 or the M1-108. Champion Labs has a tech info line: 1-800-882-0890. They are supposed to be more than happy to fill you in on the specs. I too am curious as to the differences, especially since the VQ30 goes with the M1-110 while the VQ35 goes with the M1-108.

PCGuRu2K

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If people change their synthetic oil every 3K miles then any filter used doesn't matter then right?

bill99gxe

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According to the spreadsheet, speedtrip and njmaxseltd's results have illustrated the upside of doing oil changes with OEM filters every 3k miles, but neither of them bave beaten on their car either.



I still stand by this: Don't use Frams.

nick778

As it is the pressure differential across the media(input and output) that really matters and not the pure psi opening, I have also found the Purolator L14610(bypass psi of 14-18) and the Bosch 3323(similar bypass psi but with the preferred baseplate bypass valve) to be good 'oversize' replacements for the ultrasmall, Sentra filter on the 2k2-2k3 Max. These are btw cross reference replacements for the 2k/2k1 max and have the same diameter of 2.70" but are about 3/4" longer presumably providing more filter media size. The Purolator Plus L24458 has a bypass psi of 8-10 and I would not recommend this as an alternative on the 2k2-2k3 Max. It may fit but the bypass psi is too low relative to the OEM filter.
I particularly like the Bosch Premium 3323 as it is a combination of synthetic and regular filtering media and filters better than the OEM or Purolator Plus models and has the cleaner baseplate bypass.
Again, this is relative to the 2k2-2k3 vq35 Max and some options available to the really small OEM Sentra filter.

srbarnes4ever

Nick, can you elaborate on the pressure differential statement for me. How well do filters trully filter as the oil pressure rises with rpm, viscosity, etc. Thanks in advance

nick778

This is better or more thoroughly explained in the following link.
www.bobisthe oil guy.com

These folks do a better job than I can....

srbarnes4ever

Thanks Nick...I just joined that site 3 days or so ago and there is sooooo much to read and learn.