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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 04:00 AM
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I got another ticket but the cop wrote a whole differant Plate # down!

The Plate # on the ticket is not mine? Will this be good grounds for the ticket to bbe dropped? If so I am so especial after what I called the cop!
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 04:53 AM
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from everything i ever heard...yes
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 05:10 AM
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You can get out of this one easy because the officer failed to properly identify the defendant. This violates due process.
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 06:06 AM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
You can get out of this one easy because the officer failed to properly identify the defendant. This violates due process.
I doubt that you're correct. In PA, I've heard of tickets where the officers didn't fill out anything--no plate, no name, no address. Just the Driver License number. Most people don't seem to understand how expensive tickets really are. It's not the initial fine, it's the jacked insurance rates for 39 months.
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 06:27 AM
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I doubt that you're correct.
This is what a lawyer told me.

It was a PA ticket I had where the officer had my driver's license number TOTALLY wrong (long story), but just to play it safe, I successfully plea-bargained down to 5-over and NO POINTS.
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
This is what a lawyer told me.

It was a PA ticket I had where the officer had my driver's license number TOTALLY wrong (long story), but just to play it safe, I successfully plea-bargained down to 5-over and NO POINTS.
I noticed that in NYS the entire summons is filled out, including name and address, race, etc. But in PA I've seen it where only the driver license number is filled-in.

I would think that the operator's signature on the summons is indicating the receipt of such. Maybe the law says the operator is supposed to inform the officer if the info is not correct. Who knows, but imho if an officer mistakes a color, such as nayvy blue for black, or a digit is wrong, etc., it shouldn't release someone from their obligation. just my .02
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 07:36 AM
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did u call him a nice guy?
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by NickStam
did u call him a nice guy?
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 09:10 AM
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Years ago it used to be my job to write speeding tickets. Appeal
the ticket, the court should dismiss it.
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 09:39 AM
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Your insurance premiums DO NOT go up if you get a moving violation unless you TELL your insurance company about the ticket or open a NEW policy in which they would check your record.

The only way your current insurance company would up your premiums is if and when you make a CLAIM and cost them money. When you cost them money you are more of a liability, and rates go up.

Now you may say that if you get a speeding ticket then your are "more of a liability", maybe so....but the insurance company doesn't go checking every one of their customers driving records every day.
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 10:04 AM
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depending on where you are they might dismiss it..... here they would DEFINATELY dismiss it... even if they spelled your name wrong or said it took place in pm when it was in the am.
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax
Your insurance premiums DO NOT go up if you get a moving violation unless you TELL your insurance company about the ticket or open a NEW policy in which they would check your record.

The only way your current insurance company would up your premiums is if and when you make a CLAIM and cost them money. When you cost them money you are more of a liability, and rates go up.

Now you may say that if you get a speeding ticket then your are "more of a liability", maybe so....but the insurance company doesn't go checking every one of their customers driving records every day.
I have to disagree. My friend got a ticket, in a month or so he got a letter from insurance that his rates are going up.
Good Luck,
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 10:10 AM
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Years ago I got a parking ticket (fire hydrant) and the ticket had the wrong license plate # written on it (officer wrote down the tag # of the car on the other side of the hydrant which was by far closer to it). I went to court but still had to pay the ticket. He wrote down the make and model of my car. There was no way to prove that I hadn't been parked to close. I know of people who had incorrect information written on a ticket for a moving violation and the ticket still stood though, if you go to court you usually can get it reduced if you have a good driving record. I live in Maryland.

Good luck!
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by pro

I have to disagree. My friend got a ticket, in a month or so he got a letter from insurance that his rates are going up.
Good Luck,
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It's always someones FRIEND or someone they KNOW that had their premiums go up. I've never heard personally from anyone (who didn't make a change in their insurance policy, or who was involved in an accident) of their rates going up after a moving violation.

For example, I live in Illinois and we have a very extensive tollway system around Chicago. I can't even COUNT the number of people who have told me that they have had a "friend" who has gotten a ticket in the mail for not paying a toll because their license plate was caught on camera. Funny thing is in Illinois there is a LAW against mail citations.

My source of information is my girlfriend's dad who happens to be a State Farm agent.
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax


It's always someones FRIEND or someone they KNOW that had their premiums go up. I've never heard personally from anyone (who didn't make a change in their insurance policy, or who was involved in an accident) of their rates going up after a moving violation.

For example, I live in Illinois and we have a very extensive tollway system around Chicago. I can't even COUNT the number of people who have told me that they have had a "friend" who has gotten a ticket in the mail for not paying a toll because their license plate was caught on camera. Funny thing is in Illinois there is a LAW against mail citations.

My source of information is my girlfriend's dad who happens to be a State Farm agent.
Well how about this... i got a speeding ticket last year for 55 in a 35, didnt tell the insurance co. but a month later i got a letter in the mail from them about how because it was my first ticket, i wouldnt get a surcharge but my drivers step would go from a 9 to a 10. And when i got my details for the next years premium it says speeding on it and the date of the ticket. This is in MA by the way where insurance sucks!
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
You can get out of this one easy because the officer failed to properly identify the defendant. This violates due process.
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by Krash513


Well how about this... i got a speeding ticket last year for 55 in a 35, didnt tell the insurance co. but a month later i got a letter in the mail from them about how because it was my first ticket, i wouldnt get a surcharge but my drivers step would go from a 9 to a 10. And when i got my details for the next years premium it says speeding on it and the date of the ticket. This is in MA by the way where insurance sucks!
well then maybe it differs state to state.
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 06:04 PM
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Re: I got another ticket but the cop wrote a whole differant Plate # down!

OK I just found out that here in CT the DMV only turned over 40% of violaitions to the insurance companies. I also found out that my insurance company only knows 1 of my 8 violations in the last three years!
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 06:31 PM
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Re: I got another ticket but the cop wrote a whole differant Plate # down!

Originally posted by JDwyer2821
The Plate # on the ticket is not mine? Will this be good grounds for the ticket to bbe dropped? If so I am so especial after what I called the cop!
Did the cop write down your drivers license number down?. If he did whats the difference what the plate number of the vehicle was. Cars don't speed drivers do and if he has your license number and gave you a ticket for speeding it doesn't what car you are in. Maybe you will get lucky.
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 06:43 PM
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just send it in not guilty with a note that that is not your LP#.
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 07:56 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BriGuyMax
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It's always someones FRIEND or someone they KNOW that had their premiums go up. I've never heard personally from anyone (who didn't make a change in their insurance policy, or who was involved in an accident) of their rates going up after a moving violation.

yeah,, i got a ticket for 45 in a 30...didnt report it to my insurance company. i got something in the mail a couple of weeks later saying that my driving step was going up and that my insurance rates were going to go up as well. so there you go.
Old Jul 28, 2002 | 09:14 PM
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It was not speeding, It was "unsafe Movement from stop" which is $65. He said I peeled out thru first then in to second. I don't speed, Thank You very much!
Old Jul 29, 2002 | 01:21 AM
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax
It's always someones FRIEND or someone they KNOW that had their premiums go up. I've never heard personally from anyone (who didn't make a change in their insurance policy, or who was involved in an accident) of their rates going up after a moving violation.
What are you talking about? I got in an accident, and my rate went up after that. Then I got a moving violation and got kicked off the policy. You don't have to tell the insurance company, they will find out when your policy comes around for renewal.
Old Jul 29, 2002 | 01:49 AM
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What are you talking about? I got in an accident, and my rate went up after that. Then I got a moving violation and got kicked off the policy. You don't have to tell the insurance company, they will find out when your policy comes around for renewal.
if you RE-READ my original post you will see that I CLEARLY stated that accidents and changes in policy (ie: renewal) are EXCEPTIONS.

It depends on the STATE also.
Old Jul 29, 2002 | 07:02 AM
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Yeah, it depends on the state. I'm in MA like Krash and my step went up from 9 to 10, thus increasing my premium. Got a letter in the mail a couple weeks after court. So lame.
Old Jul 29, 2002 | 08:16 AM
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Duh

Originally posted by undercvr
Years ago I got a parking ticket (fire hydrant) and the ticket had the wrong license plate # written on it (officer wrote down the tag # of the car on the other side of the hydrant which was by far closer to it). I went to court but still had to pay the ticket. He wrote down the make and model of my car. There was no way to prove that I hadn't been parked to close. I know of people who had incorrect information written on a ticket for a moving violation and the ticket still stood though, if you go to court you usually can get it reduced if you have a good driving record. I live in Maryland.

Good luck!
Now if you did not show up for court what do you think would have happend? They would run the plate of the other car and issue a warrent to to the owner of the other car with your car discreption.
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Duh

Originally posted by undercvr
Years ago I got a parking ticket (fire hydrant) and the ticket had the wrong license plate # written on it (officer wrote down the tag # of the car on the other side of the hydrant which was by far closer to it). I went to court but still had to pay the ticket. He wrote down the make and model of my car. There was no way to prove that I hadn't been parked to close. I know of people who had incorrect information written on a ticket for a moving violation and the ticket still stood though, if you go to court you usually can get it reduced if you have a good driving record. I live in Maryland.

Good luck!
Now if you did not show up for court what do you think would have happend? They would run the plate of the other car and issue a warrant to to the owner of the other car with your car discreption.
Old Jul 29, 2002 | 08:21 AM
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Re: Duh

Originally posted by quincy


Now if you did not show up for court what do you think would have happend? They would run the plate of the other car and issue a warrent to to the owner of the other car with your car discreption.
Actually I wrote that a$$backwards, it had my license plate info but a different make and model of car! This was when I was 15 years ago). Duh is right. I should never post after taking a large helping of Nyquil. Thanks for pointing out my stupidity but be careful, you may be knocking my co-workers out of a job!
Old Jul 29, 2002 | 08:24 AM
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Also in VA- the court sends the info to the dmv who sends info to your insurance comp. I had like 3 charges from when i was 16/17 and they all got added to my insurance. (none of which wer speeding) They said if I got anything else, they woud drop me. Its been over 3 years (time it takes them to be deleted) luckily bc i just got 2 more tickets this year, so now im back to where i started
Old Jul 29, 2002 | 08:28 AM
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if you RE-READ my original post you will see that I CLEARLY stated that accidents and changes in policy (ie: renewal) are EXCEPTIONS.
I could be an ignorant 21-year-old, but doesn't everyone have to renew their insurance on a regular basis like I do?

I do know the legal system works in mysterious ways. In my brushes with the law, which number 5 incidents that made it to court (well, one I took a class for, so not exactly to court, but you get my point), 3 of them ended up with strange consequences. Add in another governmental agency middleman in the DMV, and sure, things get lost/skewed/etc. But I wouldn't rely solely on that afa your insurance co not noticing a moving violation.


Check with an attorney in your state to see if that particular mis-information can get you out of the ticket. Here I don't think it would - there just has to be really one valid indiciation of ID.
Old Jul 29, 2002 | 09:09 AM
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If the licence number of the car was written down incorrectly, consider this;

Try to find out the name/address of the owner of the vehicle that the license number is actually for, then ask them to complete an affadavit to the court sating under oath that they did not allow you to drive their car on that date, and that their car was in a different location.

If the prosecutor asks you questions to try and recover from having their evidence proven incorrect by asking questions like;

"Well, did this officer pull you over on that date?"
"What car WERE ou driving then?"

Answer; "I choose to invoke my 5th Amendement privelidges at this time."

This is exactly what the 5th is for - you have the right to not incriminate yourself. Provide the evidence from a 3rd party witness that you were not speeding in the car listed on the violation, then they can only prove you were driving *a* car. Do no incriminate yourself. your closing statment, if you get one, will be; "The state presented their evidence that I drove car X at high speed on this date. I have shown that I was NOT driving this car on that date. I contend that this shows resonable doubt. I respectfully ask that in the absence of any other evidence against me that the court dismiss the charge, or find me not guilty."


I would do this if the same ticket were handed to me.

( I do not have a license to practice law in the US. This is not legal advice. )
Old Jul 29, 2002 | 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax
Your insurance premiums DO NOT go up if you get a moving violation unless you TELL your insurance company about the ticket or open a NEW policy in which they would check your record.

The only way your current insurance company would up your premiums is if and when you make a CLAIM and cost them money. When you cost them money you are more of a liability, and rates go up.

Now you may say that if you get a speeding ticket then your are "more of a liability", maybe so....but the insurance company doesn't go checking every one of their customers driving records every day.

wohoo!!

thank god for that!!
Old Jul 29, 2002 | 01:31 PM
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The kicker is that the plate # wrote down is for my Maxima but I was driving my Jeep. I think he pulled me over so many times he had my other plate burned in to his mind. I had about 1glbs in the way back behind the seats and told the officcer he was on drugs and no way I "squealed" in to second and that I can't even really do it with no load. Then he went on his little speach about the police having a long record on my driving and that they are watching me. I was like sorry I use to drive like a A@@whole 6 months ago but now I drive good.
Old Jul 29, 2002 | 01:38 PM
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Unless you can prove that it was impossible for you to squeal the tires then it's your word against his. (read you will lose)

I don't know about the plate thing. I know minor differences in the ticket don't matter but the plate is a pretty big thing. Maybe sit in a court and see if that type of thing is grounds for dismissal. Or bug a prosecutor about it.

At the beginning of the trial, you can always state, "I requested this ticket be grounds for dismissal as I wasn't driving the vehicle license plate XXX at the time of the incident". All they can you is refuse.

Originally posted by JDwyer2821
The kicker is that the plate # wrote down is for my Maxima but I was driving my Jeep. I think he pulled me over so many times he had my other plate burned in to his mind. I had about 1glbs in the way back behind the seats and told the officcer he was on drugs and no way I "squealed" in to second and that I can't even really do it with no load. Then he went on his little speach about the police having a long record on my driving and that they are watching me. I was like sorry I use to drive like a A@@whole 6 months ago but now I drive good.
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