PeterUbers

Just curious --

Stock, btw. I know I've seen discussion of low 14's for 6-spd max's ... what's the general consensus.

Sprint

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good driver.. low 14's
avg driver.. mid 14's
quansung .. low 15's

sup Peter.. whats up.. i am on the TL board.. but i can't reveal my name..

just so you people know.. Peter is a pretty level headed guy and very informative.. before anyone tires to turn this into a flame post

00MAXIST

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What is the best a Tl-s has run yet? What is the average?

PeterUbers

SprintMax,

Hey thanks man! That's a great complement and I appreciate it -- I remember discussions we've had on the TL forum. You know I've been a big Max fan .. a buddy just bought an '03 Max and I've been considering a base '02 stick myself.

Sprint

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yeah i finally got Crippen to ditch his CL-S for a 02 Stick

PeterUbers

The best I've seen posted for a TL-S is 14.8, the average is 15.0. The CL-S 6-spd is around 14.5. (those TL-S times are in cooler temps w/ low to average humidity).

AznWontonboy

Wow very honest... Whats the TL-S forums? I want to read too.

PeterUbers

I noticed on the edmunds.com website that the Max 6-spd weighs in at a "svelt" (I use that term lightly .. no pun intended) 3224lbs... the TL-S is an obese 3600lbs. After driving the Maxima slightly hard into corners... it makes sense why it's more "tossable" than the Type S.

Sprint

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http://www.acura-tl.com

bill99gxe

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I've seen doug post there before..........

PeterUbers

What's the best method of launching the 6-spd? Slip the clutch or drop it at ## rpms? Shift at redline each time?

Sprint

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Sprint

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slipping from 4500 rpms.. and shift at red line since they have a variable intake

bill99gxe

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I know you don't like him Darren, I was just saying what I saw....

Green 2kSE

Shift at redline if you have a 2k/2k1 Max but around 6k rpm if you have 2k2+ Max.

VQdriver

i wonder if i can pilot one into the 13s lol...just a thought. i mean they make like 60hp more than 4th gens! if i could get that kind of power on my car i'd be well into the 13s. but the 2k2 have put on some weight. so that's definately a factor.

Sprint

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get a VI and pilot yoru own into 13's

quansung 2

yeah it's almost as bad as running 14.8 on nitrous

VQdriver

i dunno man..i've been hearing disappointing posts from other people with the manifold. i'm not sure if the gains are worth it. in fact, the gains seem the same with the ECU upgrade. i might lean towards that because it's plug and play. has anyone even run a 14.2 with the VI???

dmbmaxima2k2

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i ran back to back 14.3 on a cool day with a 2.16 60 foot time. sicne then i've ran 14.4's to 14.6's with 2.3x's 60 foots on warmer days. i'll have 13's soon.

VQdriver

take some weight out, drop tires to 15psi and run near empty. you'll get 13's easily! you've got 50+hp over my 4th gen! at least a 14.0?

dmbmaxima2k2

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car was lightened, no tools, spare or rear seat, tank was below a 1/4, tires at 18 psi.

emax02

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I can't launch my car at the strip for the life of me and I got a 14.4 at 99 MPH. Thats with a 2.43 60' and humid 80 degreee weather Full spare with everything, 32 PSI and a 3rd of a tank of gas. Did I mention I have few mods though?

SR20DEN

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Stop raping your clutch Ethan.

I launch at <2000 RPM and do a very light slip of the clutch. Each time my all motor runs have gotten better. Last Saturday night, first run of the day: 14.329 @ 96.78 2.262 60' (down from 14.59 the time before and 14.7x the time before that)

1/8th tank of gas, everything inside, tools, video camera, laptop computer. 30psi (only 210fwhp)

Frank Fontaine

Maxima sure is tossable, people seem to replace them every 1-2 years on this forum. I thought 4 years would be good enough for me, but dang, I'm gonna push it for a total of 7-8 years. Am I suffering by driving a 98 SE? You better believe it, it's the worst car in my neighborhood. 16 year-olds drive better cars to the high school. But just you wait, it's gonna pay off putting up with this car. Driving an old car makes it possible to afford a better house imho.

IceY2K1

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Not all of us attack non-Nissan owners even if they drive the evil Acura -S. If you get flamed by some d!ckheads, don't take it as the general behavior of this board. All boards have a few "characters" they put up with.

Keep us posted on any races with your friends Max. Thanks.

Alex

PeterUbers

I've found most of the members of this forum to be extremely informative and pretty down-to-earth. I think anyone on any board can get carried away at times .. it's all good. As soon as my buddy gets his shifts down, we're going back to back runs. He's PJonkheer on this board -- you've all seen his car.

Sprint

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thats cold man.. thats cold

Sprint

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hmm.. what posts are you reading..

ECU at most gives 15 hp 17 tq.. AT MOST.

i saw a dyno where the VI was giving 59 more hp at redline.. man if that isn't enough for you to buy one.. i dunno.. i also just read Dave B's post after testing out his VI.. wait till the regulars like Neal and Dave B hit the track.. you will go get one too..

from what i have seen with the dyno.. you can now shift at redline.. a modded 95 5spd dyno'd 125fwhp @ 6300 rpms without the VI .. and the same 180 fwhp @ 6300 rpms with the VI.. thats a huge diffrence..

speedtrip

Although the peak hp is nothing spectacular, my VI gave me 37 hp at redline and 43 hp at redline when I changed from a CAI to a hybrid. Just be patient. Soon we will have some experienced drag racers getting some times. My et's are poor because of my 60' times from lack of experience. But my trap speed is 93.6 mph which isn't bad considering I'm running a 15.1 et. Also everybody is getting their VI in the dead heat of the summer. I would wait until fall to see the true potential of the VI.

Oh and one more thing I forgot. The way the 5-spds are geared and the 6500 rpm redline we are banging the rev-limiter or shifting into fourth as we enter the traps. This isn't helping any.

PeterUbers

Is launching significantly improved w/ the helical limited slip (for all those who have driven a pre-02 stick Max w/o helical limited slip) in the 02/03??

SteVTEC

An HLSD is DEFINITELY gonna help you on launch.

VQdriver

59 more hp at redline? why isn't anyone in the 13s? why isn't anyone even close to 14 flat? i've already run a few 14.3s in the heat of summer (80+deg and 80% humidity). people can't even beat 14.29 with the VI and more bolt ons than i have. until someone runs at least two 14.1 or 14.0 within a short amount of time i'll say that the VI is OVERRATED. i wish they'd work! someone please run faster with the VI and make me a believer. lastly, i never shift into 4th gear on any of my runs. i agree, if it does indeed work, it will help out my motor at high rpms.

00MAXIST

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What is the VI? I did a search for it and all I got was questions about how much and such. Can you get one for a 5th gen?

SR20DEN

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The straight line launch isn't affected as much as you think. The HLSD works it's magic around corners.

VQdriver

the VI stands for variable intake. simply put, it is intake tubing that sits on top of the cylinders. a variable intake contains both long and short tubes. it is controlled by a switch activated when the engine revs in it's upper range. the long ru nners are for low to mid rpm range and offers torque. the short runners are for high rpm breathing. this should not apply to 5th gens since they have their own variable intake manifold.

2M0A0X2

and then there is me........ with high 30's

Nealoc187

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I'm heading back to the track this Friday with different sized tires so I'm not banging off the rev limiter in 3rd for the last 50 feet. I'm also going to check for vacuum leaks and replace my test pipe gaskets prior to that. Hopefully I'll have some 14.2s to report in the summer heat. :fingerscrossed:

speedtrip

Everybody is entitled to their opinion no matter how lame.
Ha Ha just joking......

The VI's work fine and if you had the opportunity to drive a 4th gen VQ with a VI maybe your opinion would be different. I'll be the first to admit that I had visions of 20+ peak hp gains dancing in my head the night before I installed the VI. I got 8 peak hp instead but my hp peak did move to 6300 rpms, and picked-up whole bunch of hp past 5,500 rpm.

I think it's great that your max is fast with a minimal amount of bolt-ons. But it's not a realistic comparision to other maximas because it's not your max and second because of track conditions/locations. A maxima that runs 14.8 or 14.6 in the 1/4 is not going to be in the 13's with installing the VI. But IF they were to see a .3 second reduction in et who cares?

We know that the VI makes hp past 5,500 rpms to the 6,500 rpm redline. So the rpm range that the VI makes power is narrow and shows up late to the party.

The VI came up shy in hitting a grand slam but it got alot of runners home. I can understand your criticism of the VI but there isn't that much information available yet. The dynoes show that the VI works but we have little information about track times. Time is the key and I think within the next 6 months we know what the VI is fully capable of. Until that point it's just assumptions.

The VI is an instrumental key to the 13 sec 1/4mile NA maxima. It in no way guarantees a 13 sec run but I can tell you there won't be any NA maximas running in the 13s without the VI.

SteVTEC

Yes. Exactly

To clear up any confusion, what the VI does is allow the engine to make power for longer. So instead of dropping off like a rock after 6000rpm, the engine will now make GOOD power all the way up to redline. What this means is that since the powerband of the engine has been extended, your shift points move up higher, and that allows you to hold each shorter gear for longer, and put more power at the wheels for longer.

With my non-VI 4th Gen 5spd, I would be wheezing in the top of 3rd right at the 1/4 mile line barely accelerating anymore. But with the VI I would still be making good power and pulling strongly across the line with the engine SCREAMING towards redline instead of huffing and puffing its way up there without the VI. That would be good for at least a few tenths and a couple MPH I would think, as well.

Don't let the numbers fool you. Don't be thinking that a gain of 59 HP at redline is PEAK horsepower, and that instead of making around 161 fwhp you will now have 220 fwhp That's not what it means. What it means is that instead of having an engine that falls flat on its face after 6000rpm, you now have an engine that SCREAMS all the way up to the limiter and that you will now be able to hold each gear to redline instead of having to shift around 6000-6200rpm without the VI to keep the engine from wheezing.