madmax2k

Since we seem to like to banter back and forth about Hondas on the .org, Id figured Id pass along Motor Trend's latest test (December 2002) of the new 2003 Honda Accord.

In EX V-6, 6 speed, coupe guise, it ran a 14.54 @ 98.04.

They actually tested the Accord against a 2003 MB CLK320. BAH!! Who the heck cross shops those two cars?!?! One stickered at $26,360 the other at $49,640.

In the end, they actually picked the Accord based on price. (It also handily beat the MB in acceleration as it ran a 15.30 @ 91.82) but pull up to your local Ale House and see who gets the parking spot up front!

MaximaPower

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old news?

NickStam

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did it pass the ugly test?

MaximaPower

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Yes?

tbannon

have guys see the Acura DN-X
400 hp hybrid powertrain
3.5-liter DOHC i-VTEC V-6
RWD
Integrated motor assist

and to top it all off 42 mpg

looks similar to the Z

emax02

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How much? I want one!

Redmax

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HELL NO!!! THat car is ugly as SH*T

NYCe MaXiMa

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Did they compare the 2 because the taillights look the same?

Conrad283

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what are you still doing awake .. you need to rest for your test

slickrick

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thats a high trap speed for a honda accord.

madmax2k

As far as I know, a 14.5 Honda Accord isnt old news!

Thats quicker than they have tested the CL Type S.

madmax2k

Yeah...that caught my eye too.

Larrio

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I don't wanna get beat by an ugly car....

With the aftermarket support on hondas... that thing will be killing the 5th gen

Nealoc187

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That's pretty fast. Mag time's are usually a few ticks off what people can do in the real world too.

madmax2k

Yeah...Kinda like all those 15.0 second 2002 3.5L 6 speed Maximas the mags seem to have been given for testing

LOL.

slickrick

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r u serious? maybe if russ was driving an auto. but no excuse for a 6 speed.

densetsu

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wow!! its fast in a straight line!! motor trend is bs, i've heard that their track is not level and magazine times are nothing to go by anyway. plus, even if it runs 14's at the track, when its coming out of a corner its pos level of torque is going to bite it in the @$$. Accords are for homos, maximas are the true sports sedans (for the price and the size). but it is about time the accord is manual in its v6 version, at least now they dont have an excuse when they lose to a manual maxima

Anuj

you guys can never give honda props. Even though I hate Honda you can't dis them when there is credit to be given. Yeah so it's ugly, it will grow on you, look when the 5th gen maxima just came out, it wasn't that much of a looker but we all grew to love it (except sprint). I bet their resale is going to kick our as$ too! Nissan made a mistake of not coming out with a Maxima Coupe. I think it would've made the Maxima image look younger and there would be more sales with a 2-door and a 4-door. I would still buy the 4-door maxima instead.

VeeTec

A 98 m.p.h. trap speed tells me they didn't get the most out of the car. Thats a LOW LOW 14 second car.

RussMaxManiac

Not quicker than the 6spd CL-S. The auto yes.

RussMaxManiac

I agree....

But please do not knock the Accord until you drive one. The 4 door needs help in the rear, but I went with a friend 2 weeks ago to drive the Accord 4cyc coupe. Yes it was the 4cyc, but still. I was VERY impressed. The interior quality defintely had german look to it, and was built very well. The car looks very clean and sporty on the outside in person. Drive it, even for a 4 cyc, that car moved out very good.

Like I said, till you drive one to see, don't knock it.

dmontzsta

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14.5 sounds about right, considering the Maxima runs around a 14.3...but yet they tested that at high 14, so who knows!!!

NYCe MaXiMa

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This is what scares me
Same Mag tested the 2k2 6 speed for high 14s... since they probably use the same track, and possibly the same driver(s) and even driving conditions, the fact they got a faster time out of the Accord with the 14.5 than out of the Max means the Accord is really faster than the Max.

Can anyone remember what was the exact time they tested the 6 speed max for?

Considering it has done 14.2 stock.. and say they got 14.7 out of it (even if). That's .5 of a sec. So in the Accord, 14.5 - 0.5 = 14.0 flat N/A Affordable Honda? no more knocking on Hondas..

dmontzsta

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lets try not to think about that.

Dave B

The excuses never cease to amaze me. Just like the GTP guys, we blame the mags for not being able to drive, but when they rip some good numbers, we call BS. The way I see it, the new Accord is quicker and faster than the 2k2 Maxima, both auto and 6 speed. 14.5@98mph with quite a feat with a stock FWD car.

Looks are in the eyes of the beholder. Just like the 4th gen Maxima, the new Accord is a bit bland and ho-hum, but with a subtle drop, different wheels, and a front spoiler, the car will look far more aggressive. I like the new Accord, both coupe and sedan. I especially like the euro interior where I'd spend most of my time. Like others have said, the aftermarket will be there for the Accord. I've had Honda's in the past and they're stone reliable, just like my Maxima. I'm definately considering a new Accord coupe, a used Solara 5 speed (plus TRD SC), 2003.5 WRX (new body), or G35 (if I come into some money).


Dave

Larrio

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I wonder what makes it so much faster than the 5th gen?

Anuj

5-speed auto helps with the acceleration. It's heavier too.. The 6-speed coupe is 3265 lbs. 2k2 Maxima 6-speed is 3224 lbs.

On the bright side, at least there are no stripped down Maximas like their LX Accords. (like all Maximas come with alloys 2k2+)

Nissan needs to step one bit to get away from this competition once more. I think they are but in a way we all hate, going after the Avalon That's a whole another topic.

dmontzsta

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They should be pretty close and it should come down to driver, if the Max is a bit lighter and it has like 5-10 more hp, but still should be close, I wouldnt say that the new accord could "take out" a 2k2, but close.

nycmax2002

it there is room under the hood for a turbo or sc then the new accords will butcher us. What if those guys dont put ricey crap on there cars? They might actually be visually nice and fast.

dmontzsta

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there is always room, there is a shop doing a twin turbo set up on a V6 accord right by my house.

densetsu

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i got nothing at all against honda. im talking performance here, not value and marketing. marketing wise nissan sucks, honda destroys it in every aspect. more people buy hondas and more people like hondas which obviously means something... i am just trying to say that just because a magazine "got" 14.5 in the 1/4 doesn't mean that people have to go wet their pants. i've driven one, yes the new 6-speed v6, and its nothing great, i prefer cars with more torque like the maxima or altima, but that is just my opinion.

like isaid, ive driven the new one. ive also driven the last gen 4cyl manual ones. nothing great, my mom's minivan feels faster. i am not biased on certain cars nor am i taking sides. i alwayes tend to look at all different aspects before coming up with my opinion, and my opinion is that i think the old and new accord are very good cars, but i'd rather have a maxima or a altima.


ps. Sprint isn't the only one who thinks 5th gens look disgusting ......

Lime

this thread is stupid. Go test drive it yourself if you want to compare.

RussMaxManiac

And how did you drive a 6spd Accord when they haven't even gotten near hitting the dealers yet? lol!

densetsu

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nothing is stupid. just think of everything as a chance to learn something new. i do agree though that people should drive it before they post bs that they read somewhere.

madmax2k

Heck, I was just impressed with the road test article of the car and figured Id pass the info along......

But, I must admit, it did cross my mind that the thread would take this turn! Consider it an experiment in sociology

Dave B

Exactly. The 6 speed isn't even in the showrooms until January.


Dave

acMAX

unfortunate....but true.

Anuj

Yeah I know mag times don't mean anything, but that mag time was a 14.5! They are usually slow by a half second. That's not good...but we'll have to wait and see. I am guessing these cars will be even.

Nissan is going to f*ck this up when the 2004 Maxima comes out. Nissan: Wait 1 more year and redesign it! Looks like since the Maxima is getting transformed into a buick, the Altima is going to have to step up and fight this Accord in the future, just my guess

SteVTEC

2002 Max Auto's: high-14's repeated stock by multiple people, and also backed up by CarTest. Same story with the 2k2 Alty auto's, which are also hitting high-14's stock.

2003 Accord V6 Auto: A few mags have gotten mid-15's. ONE person actually ran their car at SuperHonda.com and got a 15.5 @ 90. Edmunds.com got 15.4. CarTest2000 gives 15.4 @ 92. ONLY MT got a 14.98 which is ridiculously optimistic.

2003 Accord V6 manual: 14.5@98 is not too far off. CarTest gives 14.6-7, but at a lower trap speed of 96 or so.

2002 Maxima 6spd: Mags get these sucky 14.8-15.0 times and then claim that the CL/TL Type-S automatics are faster. But I think we here at Maxima.org know better

RussMaxManiac

Kinda funny how you say the Maximas most get high 14s when you look at a poll that was taken about 3 months ago most were in the 15s. 2k2 Autos that is. A good handful have hit high 14s in the right conditions but most have hit low 15s.

2k2 6spd Maxs most are running mid 14s.

Altimas, about the same for both as you said.

CL-S autos, hit the same as teh maximas most of the time. There are a good amount in the 14s as well.

CL-S 6spds, most are running mid to low 14s as well. There is only maybe 2-3 that have hit 13s with only headers.


Oh yeah thats right. Forgot, we are on Maxima.org DaveB, so nothing can beat the maxima right?