Oh here we go. Do you guys smell what El Locko is cooking?

 

I can remember when the 2002 Maximas came out and the 1/4 mile numbers weren't very promising. As more people bought the car, the times got better. The same will go for the Accord. Hate to say it, but the Accord has a 5 speed auto which will make far better use of the engines power. Having a 6 speed with REAL set of 6 gears, decent torque, and VTEC-i, the car will be a screamer. The 3.5 Maxima/Altima definately make more torque and possibly more HP, but the Accord will have better gearing and potentially more power under a longer HP curve. This is what truely counts.

"Cartest" and other calculators are far from accurate. No formula can tell you truely how a car will perform. There are WAY to many variables. I've run numerous calculators on my car vs my dynoed power. For my ET/MPH they said I was making 250hp (this was before the VIM). With my current power to weight, the calulators say I should be running 14.7s@94mph. Hmmmmm......



Dave

 

Weird - the 6 speeed isn['t even hitting showroom floors until january Hell, even when honda first introduced the new Accord, and held driving events for reviewers, they didn't have the 6-speed coupe ready. So where did you drive it again?

 

He didn't . We have people on here that like to make up stuff. lol!

 

just gotta face that facts that we have a very tough competitor on the track/streets coming around in january.... auto or manual. The atuo 5spd should fair alot better than the 4 spd max's.

vtec, aftermarket support, easily swaped parts.... it won't be surprising to see the hondas applying vaseline on us at the stoplight

 

I have a feeling that most of the mods currently out for the accord and cl/tl will actually fit on the new Accord. Including the headers. This car might wake up alot more than the previous accord with headers. The CL/TL wake up 30-35 hp to the wheels compared to 20 for the accord if that.

 

You smelled that too huh?

 

\BTW, you got everything straightened out right?

 

With the wheels yes. Now its ECU drama I'm just buying things brand new from now on, no more used stuff from .org members.

 

With the Comptech supercharger out and the Jackson Racing supercharger on the way it could get ugly real soon.

 

..but the accord comes really ugly from the factory

I know what you meant..

 

That is a very fast trap speed, nearly that of LT1 f-body 6-speed manual; and I'll be really surprised if the new Accord 6-spd can hang door-door with a 6-spd LT1 f-body. However, many imports tested by Motor Trend have trap speeds that I rarely see duplicated at the track even in good conditions/driver. In fact I see some Honda/Acuras with bolt-ons that barely match MT's number for stock. I would be willing to bet that most 6-speed Accord owners will net a best of 95-96 mph (full tank of fuel, proper tire pressures, etc.). If there are doubters, just remember this post and observe in the coming months my fearless prediction. On the otherhand, Car and Driver posts more realistic numbers and on a Maxima 6-spd for example, I won't doubt their 14.7 at 97 mph is fairly easy to duplicate.

 

I agree with this. MT always seems to get the lowest times. I think a more realistic time for the 6sp Accord would be about 14.8 on the average.

 

Not to be mean, but the Maxima is ugly as well if you think about it.

lol

 

well with Stillen's S/C on the way fairly soon the Maxima will be running some low 13's high 12s easy or with the help of NOOOOOS! or with someones homemade turbo kit. The Maxima has always been over the accord, honduh is just trying to prove something right now, but when we get a AWD V8 Maxima, they wont know what to do, so they will fight the altima. Look at the last 10 years and compare the Maxima to the accord, no comparrison.

 

No supercharger for the Maxima or Altima is coming out for the 3.5L due to the room.

This was announced a while back it was discontinued.

 

I've never seen any magazine post realistic track times, regardless of the publication or vehicle tested. I think Motor Trend tests with an accelerometer rather than on a drag strip, so that could account for the high trap speed, or if they do test on a real track, which I doubt, then wheelspin could account for the high trap speed.

Car and Driver on the other hand, at least in my experience, has been pretty much spot on with trap speeds. They trapped 92.x in a 4th gen Max, thats what I trapped stock, and what 99% of other 4th gen owners trap at stock. Their times weren't all that great, but the traps were right on. 97 for a 2002 6spd is right on the money too, most are trapping 96-97 with the occasional 98. I haven't looked to deeply (actually I haven't looked at all) at their H/A numbers recently, but I wouldn't doubt it if their traps are right on too.

 

Have you seen the exhaust manifold, its actually a part of the motor. They did that to make it more efficient and keep the underhood temps cooler. The piping starts just before the precats.

 

the new accord is ugly, but it sure is crazy fast.....maxine wont be able to handle it anymore, but the g35 will

 

I've checked the differences between the old Honda 4AT and the new 5AT. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd (the 1/4 mile gears) are essentially unchanged. 4th and 5th are both overdrive. The Maxima's problem for 1/4 mile runs is that 3rd gear is just waaaay too tall. Nissan could fix that with revised 1-3 gearing, but they already perform "well enough" compared to the class, and shortening 3rd would just cut down on top speed figures (marketing) since 3rd would no longer pull to 130. But you're right. An additional gear would help on the Nissan's as well, such that they wouldn't have to make that compromise.

True, but the VQ35's have so much more power before 5500rpm that it's just insane. The VQ's will get a huge jump off the line and the Honda will be playing catchup all the way down the track. That said, since they both are going to have about the same amount of power at the wheels along with similar weights, aerodynamics, etc, the VQ35 will get the jump and the J30A4 won't have the extra oomph it needs up top to pull.

BTW, the new V6 (the J30A4) is still SOHC VTEC. Only the 4-banger gets i-VTEC for now. Honda would have to revamp their J-series V6 with a DOHC head to put i-VTEC on it (requires DOHC arrangement) and I don't think they'd spend the money on that since their SOHC V6's are pretty competetive.

CarTest isn't your typical cheese-ball desktop 1/4 mile calculator. It's much more sophisticated than that, and I've never had a problem matching real-world results (street races, 1/4 mile, highway drags, etc) to simulation and vice versa. Its accuracy is only limited by the consistency of the model you have to what's in the real-world.

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For awhile I couldn't figure out how the heck the 2k2 6spd guys were getting 14.3's STOCK. I was only getting 14.8's in CarTest so I figured something must be up. I realized that the standard shift times were very slow so I sped them up and that got the sim to about a 14.5-6 or so. STILL not 14.3. Played with temps, barometric pressure, altitude, humidity, driver weight, fuel weight, tire pressure, all NADA. Then I realized that Nissan had UNDER-rated the torque on the VQ35DE. It wasn't really putting out 246TQ @ 4400rpm. It was more like 265TQ @ 3500rpm!

So I updated the model with that in mind and Viola...14.3's

Ditto on other cars also. Accuracy is limited only by the consistency between your model and the real-life car. If you're not getting the right results vs the street, then something in your model isn't accurate.

If they can model launching a satellite into orbit, sending it to Mars, and landing it, all successfully, using a computer program, then they can surely model some simple car acceleration figures