How long will OEM shocks last on 2.2" drop?
11-11-2002, 09:50 AM
#3
Re: How long will OEM shocks last on 2.2" drop?
Originally posted by IceY2K1
Any reasonable guess? 90+% hwy travel, so no potholes really.
a)<5K
b)5K-10K
c)10K+
Any reasonable guess? 90+% hwy travel, so no potholes really.
a)<5K
b)5K-10K
c)10K+
what about camber plates I wonder if they will be needed too. Looks like we will find out 
11-11-2002, 09:52 AM
#4
I know that, but...
Originally posted by erty67
from what I've seen and heard, not long.
from what I've seen and heard, not long.
How long is "not long"?
If I can get close to 10K, I'll be happy, but if it's less than 5K for HWY travel, ie easy driving, no thanks!
11-11-2002, 09:53 AM
#5
Re: Re: How long will OEM shocks last on 2.2" drop?
Originally posted by blubyu2k2
what about camber plates I wonder if they will be needed too. Looks like we will find out
what about camber plates I wonder if they will be needed too. Looks like we will find out
11-11-2002, 09:59 AM
#6
Re: I know that, but...
Originally posted by IceY2K1
How long is "not long"?
If I can get close to 10K, I'll be happy, but if it's less than 5K for HWY travel, ie easy driving, no thanks!
How long is "not long"?
If I can get close to 10K, I'll be happy, but if it's less than 5K for HWY travel, ie easy driving, no thanks!
good luck
11-11-2002, 10:00 AM
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Re: Re: Re: How long will OEM shocks last on 2.2" drop?
Originally posted by IceY2K1
I'll run the camber bolts and just toss the blowtenzas early.
I'll run the camber bolts and just toss the blowtenzas early.
11-11-2002, 10:04 AM
#8
Re: Re: I know that, but...
Originally posted by erty67
try doing a search. Over the last month or two, I've been watching any post relating to springs because I want to drop mine in spring. Most say to change out the struts when doing H&Rs or Eibachs. Those kits only drop about 1.5 inches at the most. If your dropping 2.2 inches, I think you're gonna have problems. I'm no pro though...just trying to give you a second thought. good luck
try doing a search. Over the last month or two, I've been watching any post relating to springs because I want to drop mine in spring. Most say to change out the struts when doing H&Rs or Eibachs. Those kits only drop about 1.5 inches at the most. If your dropping 2.2 inches, I think you're gonna have problems. I'm no pro though...just trying to give you a second thought.
good luck
Thanks though.
11-11-2002, 10:05 AM
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Re: Re: Re: I know that, but...
Originally posted by IceY2K1
I have searched until I went cross-eyed. Too much conflicting info. That's why I'm keeping it general and hoping a few people with different setups can help out.
Thanks though.
I have searched until I went cross-eyed. Too much conflicting info. That's why I'm keeping it general and hoping a few people with different setups can help out.
Thanks though.
John.
11-11-2002, 10:06 AM
#10
Re: Re: Re: Re: How long will OEM shocks last on 2.2" drop?
Originally posted by Gotrice4
just make sure you get an alignment done after you install those Tein s-tech springs you are looking at...you should get an alignment done after removing, struts/springs...you should be able to stay within a reasonable amount within spec...or pretty close...
just make sure you get an alignment done after you install those Tein s-tech springs you are looking at...you should get an alignment done after removing, struts/springs...you should be able to stay within a reasonable amount within spec...or pretty close...
11-11-2002, 10:12 AM
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Re: How long will OEM shocks last on 2.2" drop?
Originally posted by IceY2K1
Any reasonable guess? 90+% hwy travel, so no potholes really.
a)<5K
b)5K-10K
c)10K+
Any reasonable guess? 90+% hwy travel, so no potholes really.
a)<5K
b)5K-10K
c)10K+
id say between 5-10k miles........i had sprint springs....2 inch drop all the way around and i went about 10k with them....my rear struts blew within 6k im sure of that, but my front struts lasted fine....they r still in good condition.........hope that helps......
11-11-2002, 10:17 AM
#13
I say approximately 9347.23462164 miles. Roughly.
Seriously man, if you are going to take the time to do your suspension don't do it half-a$$ed, spend the money and do it right so you don't have to rip it all apart again in 2 months because you decided to be cheap and use OEM shocks with a 2"+ drop.
Seriously man, if you are going to take the time to do your suspension don't do it half-a$$ed, spend the money and do it right so you don't have to rip it all apart again in 2 months because you decided to be cheap and use OEM shocks with a 2"+ drop.
11-11-2002, 10:31 AM
#14
Re: Re: How long will OEM shocks last on 2.2" drop?
Originally posted by hockeyghst
id say between 5-10k miles........i had sprint springs....2 inch drop all the way around and i went about 10k with them....my rear struts blew within 6k im sure of that, but my front struts lasted fine....they r still in good condition.........hope that helps......
id say between 5-10k miles........i had sprint springs....2 inch drop all the way around and i went about 10k with them....my rear struts blew within 6k im sure of that, but my front struts lasted fine....they r still in good condition.........hope that helps......
Very good information.
11-11-2002, 10:40 AM
#15
Originally posted by Nealoc187
I say approximately 9347.23462164 miles. Roughly.
Seriously man, if you are going to take the time to do your suspension don't do it half-a$$ed, spend the money and do it right so you don't have to rip it all apart again in 2 months because you decided to be cheap and use OEM shocks with a 2"+ drop.
I say approximately 9347.23462164 miles. Roughly.
Seriously man, if you are going to take the time to do your suspension don't do it half-a$$ed, spend the money and do it right so you don't have to rip it all apart again in 2 months because you decided to be cheap and use OEM shocks with a 2"+ drop.
Thanks for the advice, but if you knew me and my mods, you would know I don't do anything half azzed. Ok the 350Z deadpedal was half azzed. Hehe.
Seriously, I don't have a choice. This is just a temporary setup until the AGXs are released for the 5th gen. First, the blue Tokicos are crap from what opinions I've read. Second, the Konis are great, but required modifying the strut sleeve to accomodate the cartridge. Which is my NEXT step once these blow. Third is the Cattman modified 4th gen AGXs, which I will not run. Fourth, is coilovers, which I can't afford. So, basically I JUST BOUGHT AN EXTRA PAIR OF OEM STRUTS, so I'm going with a temporary setup of OEM stocks/struts on lowering springs and since I put less than 10K miles a year on my car(coming up on 2yrs. old and I have 15K on the OD) these might last long enough for KYB to release the 5th gen. AGX.
BTW, I'm a cheap ***, but I don't go cheap on mods. Again, you'd know that if you were in the 5th gen. forum.
Thanks for the reply though~!
11-11-2002, 10:55 AM
#17
I had Springs (2" drop) on my factory 4th Gen struts. Rode on them for a year (10k+ miles) until I decided to switch to AGXs. Nothing wrong with them though, not blown but exhibiting wear (nothing abnormal after 65k miles).
-Cyrus
-Cyrus
11-11-2002, 10:58 AM
#18
Re: I know that, but...
Originally posted by IceY2K1
How long is "not long"?
If I can get close to 10K, I'll be happy, but if it's less than 5K for HWY travel, ie easy driving, no thanks!
How long is "not long"?
If I can get close to 10K, I'll be happy, but if it's less than 5K for HWY travel, ie easy driving, no thanks!
11-11-2002, 11:00 AM
#19
Originally posted by Vyrus
I had Springs (2" drop) on my factory 4th Gen struts. Rode on them for a year (10k+ miles) until I decided to switch to AGXs. Nothing wrong with them though, not blows but exhibiting wear (nothing abnormal after 65k miles).
-Cyrus
I had Springs (2" drop) on my factory 4th Gen struts. Rode on them for a year (10k+ miles) until I decided to switch to AGXs. Nothing wrong with them though, not blows but exhibiting wear (nothing abnormal after 65k miles).
-Cyrus
Replies like this make it seem REASONABLE that I could get 5-10K HIGHWAY miles out of them, anyone disagree?
11-11-2002, 01:12 PM
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well
you could go 20k miles on stock shocks if you choose to do so.
ALot of times you dont feel your stock shocks start to slowly detirotate(cant spell)Then My opinion is, use the stock shocks if you must, but replace them as soon as possible. I wouldnt say it would last 5k or 10k or whatever. ugh does that make sense?
you could go 20k miles on stock shocks if you choose to do so.
ALot of times you dont feel your stock shocks start to slowly detirotate(cant spell)Then My opinion is, use the stock shocks if you must, but replace them as soon as possible. I wouldnt say it would last 5k or 10k or whatever. ugh does that make sense?
11-11-2002, 01:23 PM
#22
Originally posted by Turbo95Max
well
you could go 20k miles on stock shocks if you choose to do so.
ALot of times you dont feel your stock shocks start to slowly detirotate(cant spell)Then My opinion is, use the stock shocks if you must, but replace them as soon as possible. I wouldnt say it would last 5k or 10k or whatever. ugh does that make sense?
well
you could go 20k miles on stock shocks if you choose to do so.
ALot of times you dont feel your stock shocks start to slowly detirotate(cant spell)Then My opinion is, use the stock shocks if you must, but replace them as soon as possible. I wouldnt say it would last 5k or 10k or whatever. ugh does that make sense?
So, your opinion is <5K for normal ride characteristics, but longer for unstable dampening/rebound, right?
11-11-2002, 03:46 PM
#24
Originally posted by MR_Maxi
This may sound like a stupid question but who makes 2.2" drop springs ? cos the lowest i can find here in oz are 1.5" and i dont want to cut, any info would be greatly appreciated
This may sound like a stupid question but who makes 2.2" drop springs ? cos the lowest i can find here in oz are 1.5" and i dont want to cut, any info would be greatly appreciated
However, the 4th gens. are supposedly in development right now IF that list is current.
11-11-2002, 07:40 PM
#25
The Tokico Blues aren't crap. They're just finicky. They are a softer strut, compared to AGXs etc, but still more firm than the stock SE strut. They're softer setup makes them more sensitive to suspension drops over 2". There are many users of H&R/Eibach and Tok blues on here that are long term satisfied, like me
Since you're doing a 2.2" drop, then drive thru. The Toks don' t like that.
DW
Since you're doing a 2.2" drop, then drive thru. The Toks don' t like that.
DW
11-11-2002, 08:04 PM
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The front struts will last longer than the rears simply by design. you're setting yourself up for a HORRIBLE ride though. A 2.2" drop is WAY too low for the 4th/5th gen suspension. You're gonna be bouncing on the bump stops constantly. Believe me.
Dave
Dave
11-11-2002, 09:18 PM
#28
Originally posted by dwapenyi
The Tokico Blues aren't crap. They're just finicky. They are a softer strut, compared to AGXs etc, but still more firm than the stock SE strut. They're softer setup makes them more sensitive to suspension drops over 2". There are many users of H&R/Eibach and Tok blues on here that are long term satisfied, like me
Since you're doing a 2.2" drop, then drive thru. The Toks don' t like that.
DW
The Tokico Blues aren't crap. They're just finicky. They are a softer strut, compared to AGXs etc, but still more firm than the stock SE strut. They're softer setup makes them more sensitive to suspension drops over 2". There are many users of H&R/Eibach and Tok blues on here that are long term satisfied, like me
Since you're doing a 2.2" drop, then drive thru. The Toks don' t like that.
DW
11-12-2002, 04:14 AM
#29
Originally posted by Dave B
The front struts will last longer than the rears simply by design. you're setting yourself up for a HORRIBLE ride though. A 2.2" drop is WAY too low for the 4th/5th gen suspension. You're gonna be bouncing on the bump stops constantly. Believe me.
Dave
The front struts will last longer than the rears simply by design. you're setting yourself up for a HORRIBLE ride though. A 2.2" drop is WAY too low for the 4th/5th gen suspension. You're gonna be bouncing on the bump stops constantly. Believe me.
Dave
11-12-2002, 08:55 AM
#31
Originally posted by 2000 SE
Well after 9 mo's and 8k miles on maxspeed springs the fronts shocks/struts are gone! My car had 19k on it installed the springs and it has 27k now, and I do 50/50 hwy/city driving.
Well after 9 mo's and 8k miles on maxspeed springs the fronts shocks/struts are gone! My car had 19k on it installed the springs and it has 27k now, and I do 50/50 hwy/city driving.
Well that's not good news, since you drive on the same roads I do pretty much.
Maybe I'll just say screw it and go Koni shocks up front and 4th gen. AGX struts in the back.
11-12-2002, 12:07 PM
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something to think about on lowering too much
i had Ground Controls and Koni's for about a year. Lowered about 2.75" Way too much. it bottomed out alot, when it didnt bottom out, the ride felt well controlled. when i pulled the suspension out for the JICs. i sold the Koni's to my friend and we found that 1 front Koni strut was blown. prolly mostly due to bottoming out. We prolly wouldve never known 1 was blown if we left it on the car.
All stock heigh struts for the Max isnt made for slamming your car. Their made for stock height or semi dropped, like 1.5-1.8 tops. sucks ballz but thats how it is.
i had Ground Controls and Koni's for about a year. Lowered about 2.75" Way too much. it bottomed out alot, when it didnt bottom out, the ride felt well controlled. when i pulled the suspension out for the JICs. i sold the Koni's to my friend and we found that 1 front Koni strut was blown. prolly mostly due to bottoming out. We prolly wouldve never known 1 was blown if we left it on the car.
All stock heigh struts for the Max isnt made for slamming your car. Their made for stock height or semi dropped, like 1.5-1.8 tops. sucks ballz but thats how it is.
11-12-2002, 12:24 PM
#33
Originally posted by Turbo95Max
something to think about on lowering too much
i had Ground Controls and Koni's for about a year. Lowered about 2.75" Way too much. it bottomed out alot, when it didnt bottom out, the ride felt well controlled. when i pulled the suspension out for the JICs. i sold the Koni's to my friend and we found that 1 front Koni strut was blown. prolly mostly due to bottoming out. We prolly wouldve never known 1 was blown if we left it on the car.
All stock heigh struts for the Max isnt made for slamming your car. Their made for stock height or semi dropped, like 1.5-1.8 tops. sucks ballz but thats how it is.
something to think about on lowering too much
i had Ground Controls and Koni's for about a year. Lowered about 2.75" Way too much. it bottomed out alot, when it didnt bottom out, the ride felt well controlled. when i pulled the suspension out for the JICs. i sold the Koni's to my friend and we found that 1 front Koni strut was blown. prolly mostly due to bottoming out. We prolly wouldve never known 1 was blown if we left it on the car.
All stock heigh struts for the Max isnt made for slamming your car. Their made for stock height or semi dropped, like 1.5-1.8 tops. sucks ballz but thats how it is.
2.2" is NOT "slamming" in my book, but by the others I've seen like Sprints and Progress 2-2.2" is PERFECT in the front. The rear is almost fine STOCK in my book, but H&Rs rear drop look good from pics at least.
I'm second guessing this whole POS now and I'll probably just sell everything and get Cattmans/Progress' new coilovers in the next month or two.
Oh well, lesson learned the hard way I guess. Thanks Matthel.
11-12-2002, 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by IceY2K1
Doesn't Kevin have his that low? He doesn't complain about riding on the bump stops, but maybe that's because he has 500/375lb spring rates with little to no bumpstops left.
2.2" is NOT "slamming" in my book, but by the others I've seen like Sprints and Progress 2-2.2" is PERFECT in the front. The rear is almost fine STOCK in my book, but H&Rs rear drop look good from pics at least.
I'm second guessing this whole POS now and I'll probably just sell everything and get Cattmans/Progress' new coilovers in the next month or two.
Oh well, lesson learned the hard way I guess. Thanks Matthel.
Doesn't Kevin have his that low? He doesn't complain about riding on the bump stops, but maybe that's because he has 500/375lb spring rates with little to no bumpstops left.
2.2" is NOT "slamming" in my book, but by the others I've seen like Sprints and Progress 2-2.2" is PERFECT in the front. The rear is almost fine STOCK in my book, but H&Rs rear drop look good from pics at least.
I'm second guessing this whole POS now and I'll probably just sell everything and get Cattmans/Progress' new coilovers in the next month or two.
Oh well, lesson learned the hard way I guess. Thanks Matthel.
well, the thing is, 2"+ drop aint no thing for say a Honda, but for most Nissans, its not slammed, but its a big drop, its cause of suspension travel. If there was more suspension travel, then we could slam the Max 2.5" or more and never or barely ever hit the bumpstops. If you dont mind spending the money for coilovers, id highly recommend them. The JICs are the first full coilover system ive ever owned for any of my cars. Its soo worth it. I have my car dropped about .2" more then with my Ground Controls and i havent bottomed out yet.(knock on wood)
05-01-2003, 03:13 PM
#35
Hey Ice I'm doing the same thing as you. I'm currently running Maxspeeds on my stock struts. Right now I'm seriously considering going to Tein S.Tech's, also on stock stuff. I'm also waiting for a mgr. to come out with adjustables specifically for 5th gens. Hopefully by the time my stocks blow, they'll be out? I'm not down with the Cattman modified shiet either.
05-01-2003, 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by IceY2K1
Wow. A+ for searching, but this is a little old.
I'm going a different direction now, but I still have a spare set of OEM struts to sell.
Wow. A+ for searching, but this is a little old.
I'm going a different direction now, but I still have a spare set of OEM struts to sell.
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