FWD Sucks - or does it? VIDEO !
11-18-2002, 03:23 PM
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Re: FWD Sucks - or does it? VIDEO !
Originally posted by hlh0501
another quality hlh0501.com video for you all..
FWD Sucks........ or does it?
another quality hlh0501.com video for you all..
FWD Sucks........ or does it?
11-22-2002, 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by MAX2000JP
Should have went with the Z if you want to go fast.
Should have went with the Z if you want to go fast.
Z = +$108 more a month in insurence, more in gas...or I could boost for free...now if you don't think my max with a 3.125 V1 would destroy a Z then you are in denial. I've driven one - Fast, Torquey, and RWD...Mmmmmm.....but a Supercharged Maxima is even more Mmmmmmmmmm.StephenMax, I'm talking crank HP. I'm looking for around 280whp.
11-22-2002, 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by Craig Mack
Z = +$108 more a month in insurence, more in gas...or I could boost for free...now if you don't think my max with a 3.125 V1 would destroy a Z then you are in denial. I've driven one - Fast, Torquey, and RWD...Mmmmmm.....but a Supercharged Maxima is even more Mmmmmmmmmm.
StephenMax, I'm talking crank HP. I'm looking for around 280whp.
Z = +$108 more a month in insurence, more in gas...or I could boost for free...now if you don't think my max with a 3.125 V1 would destroy a Z then you are in denial. I've driven one - Fast, Torquey, and RWD...Mmmmmm.....but a Supercharged Maxima is even more Mmmmmmmmmm.StephenMax, I'm talking crank HP. I'm looking for around 280whp.
A S/C Maxima would have a hard time fending off a well driven LS1 6 speed. Compare apples to apples and add a head/cam package and no Maxima would touch ya. Its all about what you want though. Do you want a fast straight line car that might break every now and then or a pretty reliable sedan?
11-23-2002, 05:49 AM
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Originally posted by MAX2000JP
A S/C Maxima would have a hard time fending off a well driven LS1 6 speed. Compare apples to apples and add a head/cam package and no Maxima would touch ya.
A S/C Maxima would have a hard time fending off a well driven LS1 6 speed. Compare apples to apples and add a head/cam package and no Maxima would touch ya.
im at a loss for words!
11-23-2002, 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by MAX2000JP
How are you going to boost for free???
A S/C Maxima would have a hard time fending off a well driven LS1 6 speed. Compare apples to apples and add a head/cam package and no Maxima would touch ya. Its all about what you want though. Do you want a fast straight line car that might break every now and then or a pretty reliable sedan?
How are you going to boost for free???
A S/C Maxima would have a hard time fending off a well driven LS1 6 speed. Compare apples to apples and add a head/cam package and no Maxima would touch ya. Its all about what you want though. Do you want a fast straight line car that might break every now and then or a pretty reliable sedan?
Ohhh you were thinking LS1?? No man, I was talkin LT1. Your right about the LS1. My buddy with the 2000 SS 6spd would probubly take me to 60. I would be pushing more crank HP but he's got the gearing and RWD advantage...on the highway I bet I could keep with him though. LS1's are very fast, I agree with you, but once again I wasn't talking about them. I would destroy a stock LT1, which is the kind of Camaro I was looking at.
As for MardiGrasMax,
11-23-2002, 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by Craig Mack
It's an early x-mas present from my entire family...talk about great people. I am paying for an ACT clutch though.
Ohhh you were thinking LS1?? No man, I was talkin LT1. Your right about the LS1. My buddy with the 2000 SS 6spd would probubly take me to 60. I would be pushing more crank HP but he's got the gearing and RWD advantage...on the highway I bet I could keep with him though. LS1's are very fast, I agree with you, but once again I wasn't talking about them. I would destroy a stock LT1, which is the kind of Camaro I was looking at.
As for MardiGrasMax,
It's an early x-mas present from my entire family...talk about great people. I am paying for an ACT clutch though.
Ohhh you were thinking LS1?? No man, I was talkin LT1. Your right about the LS1. My buddy with the 2000 SS 6spd would probubly take me to 60. I would be pushing more crank HP but he's got the gearing and RWD advantage...on the highway I bet I could keep with him though. LS1's are very fast, I agree with you, but once again I wasn't talking about them. I would destroy a stock LT1, which is the kind of Camaro I was looking at.
As for MardiGrasMax,
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11-24-2002, 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by Dave B
Stock LT1? You might be able to take one with a SC Maxima. Kiss your butt goodbye if that LT1 has the basic mods, a 6 speed, and decent driving ability. Like I've said before, my AUTO 94 Z28 with an intake, Y-pipe, catback, chip, and light 16s went 13.4@104mph which is on the heels of Mardigras SC Max. My Z28 had $1200 in mods where as Mardigras has $$$$$. A friend of mine has a 95 Z28, auto, 3.73s, heads, cam, headers, catback, intake, custom chip, and drag radials. He's pulling 12.4s@111mph. I think he's got about $5000 in quality mods. Once he gets his high stall torque converter installed, he'll be looking at close to 11s.
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Stock LT1? You might be able to take one with a SC Maxima. Kiss your butt goodbye if that LT1 has the basic mods, a 6 speed, and decent driving ability. Like I've said before, my AUTO 94 Z28 with an intake, Y-pipe, catback, chip, and light 16s went 13.4@104mph which is on the heels of Mardigras SC Max. My Z28 had $1200 in mods where as Mardigras has $$$$$. A friend of mine has a 95 Z28, auto, 3.73s, heads, cam, headers, catback, intake, custom chip, and drag radials. He's pulling 12.4s@111mph. I think he's got about $5000 in quality mods. Once he gets his high stall torque converter installed, he'll be looking at close to 11s.
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11-24-2002, 10:37 AM
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there are many different variations of LT1 out there, and yes he will be able to beat some, because I beat one at the track in my N/A auto, but it was an automatic convertible with the 2.73 gears bone stock. LS1's are no joke when driven correctly. My friend that goes to the track with me has a 2000 firebird with the 6 speed, and he only has a lid/K&N, headers, y-pipe, and cutout and he trapped 112.5 mph last weekend. I can't think of any maximas that can trap that high. Mardigrasmax is trapping 110? which is pretty damn fast.
11-24-2002, 10:55 AM
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Harold will be able to trap 110-112 when he cranks up the boost I'm willing to bet. But you are right it takes alot in a Max to trap that high.
Once you start opening up an LT1 it becomes much more LS1-like... they are incredibly corked from the factory.
By the same token briguymax took one about 5 times from a highway roll in his max when it was broken and trapping like 93mph.
Once you start opening up an LT1 it becomes much more LS1-like... they are incredibly corked from the factory.
By the same token briguymax took one about 5 times from a highway roll in his max when it was broken and trapping like 93mph.
11-24-2002, 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by MAX2000JP
Im sure Craig was talking about taking a LT1 from a roll. Thats very possible even when modded. You said you auto with decnent mods ran a 13.4@104. That trap is kinda low which IMO indicates that it goes hard for the first 1/8 and then starts slowing towards the end. Even your friends 12.4 doesnt show much top end. He is getting out of the hole real hard with his DR's and thats what makes his time so good. LT1s have more low end than LS1's, but the LS1 has a much broader powerband making it much quicker up top. I think that Craig would have a hard time with a LS1 6 speed.
Im sure Craig was talking about taking a LT1 from a roll. Thats very possible even when modded. You said you auto with decnent mods ran a 13.4@104. That trap is kinda low which IMO indicates that it goes hard for the first 1/8 and then starts slowing towards the end. Even your friends 12.4 doesnt show much top end. He is getting out of the hole real hard with his DR's and thats what makes his time so good. LT1s have more low end than LS1's, but the LS1 has a much broader powerband making it much quicker up top. I think that Craig would have a hard time with a LS1 6 speed.
I agree I would have a hard time even with a stock LS1 6spd. I can't believe how hard my friends SS pulls on the highway...it's just sick. I've also seen him almost lose control of that beast on many occasions. Camaro's definatally drive alot differently then Maxima's.
11-24-2002, 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by Craig Mack
The 93-97 Z 6spds have 287hp, but also weigh 3500lbs. The 0-60 is around 5.5 for them stock. With a 3.125 pulley, I will be boosting about 100+hp. I'm sure i'll be very low 5's 0-60 with traction.
The 93-97 Z 6spds have 287hp, but also weigh 3500lbs. The 0-60 is around 5.5 for them stock. With a 3.125 pulley, I will be boosting about 100+hp. I'm sure i'll be very low 5's 0-60 with traction.
The new Z has 287 hp.
11-24-2002, 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by MAX2000JP
The LT1 was rated at 275 The new Z has 287 hp.
The LT1 was rated at 275
The new Z has 287 hp.
11-24-2002, 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by Craig Mack
hmm...did they change the LS1 from '98 till 2k2? Becuase my 2k2 Consumers buy book says the 2002 Z28 is rated at 310HP/340TQ, and the SS 325HP/350TQ.
hmm...did they change the LS1 from '98 till 2k2? Becuase my 2k2 Consumers buy book says the 2002 Z28 is rated at 310HP/340TQ, and the SS 325HP/350TQ.
11-24-2002, 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by MAX2000JP
Let me clarify....By new Z I meant 350z which is rated at 287. The base LS1 Z28 is rated at 305 and the SS is rated at 320 hp. Take the LS1 manufacturer figures with a grain of salt though, the Z28s power figures are underrated by quite a lot.
Let me clarify....By new Z I meant 350z which is rated at 287. The base LS1 Z28 is rated at 305 and the SS is rated at 320 hp. Take the LS1 manufacturer figures with a grain of salt though, the Z28s power figures are underrated by quite a lot.
11-24-2002, 09:07 PM
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I personally think that a better launch could be what stands between a victory and a loss.
I always think it's quite funny that whenever someone tries to post anything about a 1/4 run or a make a point about doing the 1/4 miles, everyone on the .org hounds on the person for 60' times. Or like the guy that posted about if you actually won the race or not. That wasn't the point of this post. The point was just to show launchesin a front wheel drive car. This just makes me laugh.
I always think it's quite funny that whenever someone tries to post anything about a 1/4 run or a make a point about doing the 1/4 miles, everyone on the .org hounds on the person for 60' times. Or like the guy that posted about if you actually won the race or not. That wasn't the point of this post. The point was just to show launchesin a front wheel drive car. This just makes me laugh.
11-25-2002, 05:30 AM
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The point was just to show launchesin a front wheel drive car. This just makes me laugh.
The point was just to show launchesin a front wheel drive car. This just makes me laugh.
"FWD Sucks - or does it?" is the thread title and the text in the video points you against RWD.
FWD sucks very bad, when compared to RWD for launching. Harold just had better launches than the cars he raced in those videos in those particular races. 2.1 60's are average for high HP FWD cars, if he pulls 1.8's on street tires thats great. I get eaten out the hole by allot of RWD cars pulling 1.8's and 1.9s on streets tires, but I walk them down by the 1/8 mile mark and pull away.
Maybe the point was to help sales?
11-25-2002, 09:01 AM
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The point of the video was not to say FWD was better than RWD, because i do not believe that. I very much favor RWD, and love it.. but I got sick of everyone saying to me "why turbo a fwd" , etc etc, saying that they can not be launched.. I'd say I do a decent job pulling 2.0 and 2.1's on all-season 225's w/ factory (slippig) clutch and worthless tirespin.
yes still, i agree trap speed is the most important compared to 0-60, etc.. there was a mustang that ran a 12.5 with a 1.7 60',,, i looked like i just got eaten alive by him, which i did.. then you see that i trapped 2mph faster than him, guess who would win from a roll.. i was trapping faster than him even in the 1/8th
fwd sucks for handling and for fun , and isnt the best for launching either - but i have gotten used to it and am sick of people saying "fwd sucks, why bother turboing front wheel drive car," etc, so i made this little video to show them..
yes still, i agree trap speed is the most important compared to 0-60, etc.. there was a mustang that ran a 12.5 with a 1.7 60',,, i looked like i just got eaten alive by him, which i did.. then you see that i trapped 2mph faster than him, guess who would win from a roll.. i was trapping faster than him even in the 1/8th
fwd sucks for handling and for fun , and isnt the best for launching either - but i have gotten used to it and am sick of people saying "fwd sucks, why bother turboing front wheel drive car," etc, so i made this little video to show them..
11-25-2002, 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by hlh0501
"fwd sucks, why bother turboing front wheel drive car," etc, so i made this little video to show them..
"fwd sucks, why bother turboing front wheel drive car," etc, so i made this little video to show them..
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11-25-2002, 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by hlh0501
The point of the video was not to say FWD was better than RWD, because i do not believe that. I very much favor RWD, and love it.. but I got sick of everyone saying to me "why turbo a fwd" , etc etc, saying that they can not be launched.. I'd say I do a decent job pulling 2.0 and 2.1's on all-season 225's w/ factory (slippig) clutch and worthless tirespin.
yes still, i agree trap speed is the most important compared to 0-60, etc.. there was a mustang that ran a 12.5 with a 1.7 60',,, i looked like i just got eaten alive by him, which i did.. then you see that i trapped 2mph faster than him, guess who would win from a roll.. i was trapping faster than him even in the 1/8th
fwd sucks for handling and for fun , and isnt the best for launching either - but i have gotten used to it and am sick of people saying "fwd sucks, why bother turboing front wheel drive car," etc, so i made this little video to show them..
The point of the video was not to say FWD was better than RWD, because i do not believe that. I very much favor RWD, and love it.. but I got sick of everyone saying to me "why turbo a fwd" , etc etc, saying that they can not be launched.. I'd say I do a decent job pulling 2.0 and 2.1's on all-season 225's w/ factory (slippig) clutch and worthless tirespin.
yes still, i agree trap speed is the most important compared to 0-60, etc.. there was a mustang that ran a 12.5 with a 1.7 60',,, i looked like i just got eaten alive by him, which i did.. then you see that i trapped 2mph faster than him, guess who would win from a roll.. i was trapping faster than him even in the 1/8th
fwd sucks for handling and for fun , and isnt the best for launching either - but i have gotten used to it and am sick of people saying "fwd sucks, why bother turboing front wheel drive car," etc, so i made this little video to show them..
I will say this, FWD absolutely sucks for drag racing. Everything works against it when it comes to getting off the line and shifting. Weight transfer unloads the front tires and you get lots-o-wheel spin. You can strap on a set of slicks and pray to the almighty that you might be able to rip a low 1.9 60'. The thing is, a STOCK Corvette Z06 (~370rwhp) with M&H ET slicks can pull 1.6X 60 foots and run 11.4-11.6s@116mph. I'm using the Z06 as an example because the power to weight ratios are very similiar. For every .1 you shed off your 60', you're looking at .2-.25 seconds at the far end. If you yank off a 1.9 60' and the Z06 yanks off a 1.6, you could be looking at a difference of .6 to .75 seconds in ET even though your trap speeds might be similiar. That's about 5-6 car lengths assuming the reaction times are the same. At every point on the track, the Z06 is accelerating harder compared to your car simply because he got off the line so much quicker. Advantage = RWD
BTW, I want a run down of your best timeslip:
60'
330'
1/8
MPH
1000'
1/4
MPH
Lots of us a curious. You seem to be quite secretive about all this.
Dave
11-26-2002, 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by SuDZ
Maybe he is waiting to get the ACT clutch in or the better tires to give it another run?
SuDZ
Maybe he is waiting to get the ACT clutch in or the better tires to give it another run?
SuDZ
then its break-in period, and MAAAYbe hit the track saturdaygranted i've got 13.2 under my belt, i feel like i can do plenty better so we'll see - - i'll post a slip when i get one im happy with,,, which may not be till 11's
just kiddin
11-26-2002, 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by hlh0501
clutch went in today, i pick it up at 9am tuesday then its break-in period, and MAAAYbe hit the track saturday
granted i've got 13.2 under my belt, i feel like i can do plenty better so we'll see - - i'll post a slip when i get one im happy with,,, which may not be till 11's just kiddin
clutch went in today, i pick it up at 9am tuesday
then its break-in period, and MAAAYbe hit the track saturdaygranted i've got 13.2 under my belt, i feel like i can do plenty better so we'll see - - i'll post a slip when i get one im happy with,,, which may not be till 11's
just kiddin
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12-02-2002, 11:22 PM
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u guys need to look into driving maximas as daily drivers and building some 2 door rwd cars to go fast. all the time and money you put into these things and your excited about 13.2s ill prolly never hit 13.2 in my maxi but ill annihilate it in my Z (72 240z w/SBC&T-5)and thatll be with a stock motor no cams or nothing. and if i want a cam i can go to advanced auto and buy a lunati cam for 110 bucks with lifters and make another 40 -50 horse in like 4 hours. cant do that with a maxima. look into it guys its one helluva experience building your own car from the groundup -pete
12-02-2002, 11:34 PM
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woah, i almost pulled out my credit card...dam, i am speechless and i just realized that i want speed but if i'm going to go all out on a car, i rather get something where flaws would be at a minimum, maybe a new Z wit turbo...they rwd right? that and a turbo, 
12-03-2002, 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by MaxSE98
u guys need to look into driving maximas as daily drivers and building some 2 door rwd cars to go fast. all the time and money you put into these things and your excited about 13.2s ill prolly never hit 13.2 in my maxi but ill annihilate it in my Z (72 240z w/SBC&T-5)and thatll be with a stock motor no cams or nothing. and if i want a cam i can go to advanced auto and buy a lunati cam for 110 bucks with lifters and make another 40 -50 horse in like 4 hours. cant do that with a maxima. look into it guys its one helluva experience building your own car from the groundup -pete
u guys need to look into driving maximas as daily drivers and building some 2 door rwd cars to go fast. all the time and money you put into these things and your excited about 13.2s ill prolly never hit 13.2 in my maxi but ill annihilate it in my Z (72 240z w/SBC&T-5)and thatll be with a stock motor no cams or nothing. and if i want a cam i can go to advanced auto and buy a lunati cam for 110 bucks with lifters and make another 40 -50 horse in like 4 hours. cant do that with a maxima. look into it guys its one helluva experience building your own car from the groundup -pete
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12-03-2002, 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by SuDZ
I have wanted to do a 240 with the L-28 turbo block for a whole. Maybe grab an engine out of a 280Z-T or something. It always looked fun.
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I have wanted to do a 240 with the L-28 turbo block for a whole. Maybe grab an engine out of a 280Z-T or something. It always looked fun.
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12-03-2002, 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by MaxSE98
its easier to do than you think. id be more then willing to lend a hand. ive got almost a whole car in parts in my basement. it doesnt cost nearly as much as a maxima to make fast. turbo long blocks with efi can be had for 500 bucks FOR A GOOD ONE. a large intercooler out of a turbo volvo works perfectly along with the holes already cut in the front rad mount. if u wanna build it id be more then happy to help man. Or if youd like u can contract me to build it to your specs. either way, you only live once do it now. -pete
its easier to do than you think. id be more then willing to lend a hand. ive got almost a whole car in parts in my basement. it doesnt cost nearly as much as a maxima to make fast. turbo long blocks with efi can be had for 500 bucks FOR A GOOD ONE. a large intercooler out of a turbo volvo works perfectly along with the holes already cut in the front rad mount. if u wanna build it id be more then happy to help man. Or if youd like u can contract me to build it to your specs. either way, you only live once do it now. -pete
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