you want a cookie?

K

p.s. if you have any complaints to me personally, get on the track and prove it on the track, otherwise you're just blowing hot air

 

I currently race oval track, and before that I did three years of road course racing, one year a champion. I wish I lived near you and I would indeed take you up on your challenge, but if you're driving a maxima you dont stand a chance against me car. (token american car owner )

disclaimer: I like maximas, great cars, not dissing them at all, just think the 350Z is overrated.

And yes, I do want a cookie

 

You're right about getting owned. 2 350z's for the price of 1 M3. Yea....The Z gets owned in the money department.

 

a champion, who were you racing, geo metros, hehe, well, I guess you know what you're doing then, and I stand corrected. but either way, as the previous guy said, money wise it would be very weise to get a 350z, get a custom turbo for it, put a full blown body kit, get the lightest rims for it, and you have yourself an M3 and pretty much everything EATER

 

indeed, as was said above, the 350Z is indeed cheaper.... I admit that, but I think most people here realize what you get for your money. I have seen many people here say they very much desire a BMW, and would take one in a heartbeat over their maximas. And let's not compare how fast either car can be made.... we both know that just about any car out there can be made fast with the right aftermarket parts, including a Geo metro (ok, that might be pushing it ) but you see the point I dont think that the 350Z is aimed at the same market as the M3..... and I doubt that the 350Z's introduction will dent BMWs sales at all, but more power to nissan for the car.... it's a well rounded car, I just wish there were more potential without having to throw boost on it.

 

oval track....

Takes A LOT of skill to drive in a circle. Just ask all those NASCAR hicks...

 

not to disagree but oval track racing takes TREMENDUOUS concenrtation and stamina as well as a VERY prepped car, full throttle full brakes, full throttle full brakes for an hour maybe more with tons of other people inches from you. io know i wouldn't do it.

 

any kind of racing takes concentration and staminia....that has nothing to do with skill.

Put any normal person in a nascar and send them around the track...and chances are they won't wreck....put any normal person in an F1 car...and my bet is they spin out on the first hard turn....

in Road racing there is ONE perfect line....being off of that line puts you at a disadvantage, NASCAR racers have many different options in lines that they take around the racecourse...many of them probably haven't even heard of the term "apex"

 

You're an idiot.... I can see just from the way you talk that you have no idea what you're talking about. Again, I road raced for three years, and the racing I do now is in NASCAR, and it's shortrack racing. I have found that it takes an even higher level of skill than my previous racing, on a 1 mile road course. One perfect line on a road course huh? you ****ing moron..... you have no idea about how cars setups vary, so as to make them work in different places on the track.... there are many lines to any track, and even on a NASCAR track there may be only one "perfect" line, not many.... where indeed it is a disadvantage to be out of the groove. dont even start going into racing terms, your vocabulary of racing words probably mirrors your IQ number. You ****ing think you know everything........ have you ever raced professionally in your life... or have you taken your cute little maxima out on a road course once or twice in your life (which makes you a wekend warrior) I'm sure you took your car to at least 60% of it's limits think before you talk out of your *** again.

 

Personal attacks are VERY immature. Your post really doesn't even deserve a response.

But since I'm a MATURE adult I will attempt to clarify my statements; For any given car there is one perfect line on a road course (this line will slightly change with brake heat up and wear and also tire wear and temperature) obviously not every car will have the same "perfect line".

Before you insult my intelligence, you might want to do a search and see how much of an "idiot" I have been on this fourm in the last two years.

 

Drag racing the 1/4? Or better the 1/8?

 

cute eric, I'll be sure to yell something when I drive by you after you bike breaks down over a mile from your school and you are walking

 

- I agree that the original response might have been a bit harsh, but you are wrong about there only being one line. A racer's line, amongst a myriad of other things, depends on their car's overall construction. A FF car will take a somewhat different line than a FR, MR, or even RR car. For the most part, they are similar - but they are not identical.
- I got to experience this first-hand at a two-day long track event at Roebling Road in Georgia. It was just a basic track rental - no aggressive passing or racing - but there were a lot of rich guys with nice cars. In addition to flogging my Max, I went for rides in an Acura NSX (MR), a Porsche 944 Turbo (FR), a Ferrari 512 Testarossa (MR), a Lexus IS300 (FR), my instructor's Porsche (RR), and a few others. Different lines worked for different cars... and yes, the Ferrari was extremely cool.

 

If you had READ my post the you quoted, you would realize that I said a line for ANY GIVEN CAR...NOT all cars.

My point was if you are in a car...say a Corvette...and you have an established line that nets you good times, when and if you stray from that line, your times will suffer. Therefore road racing takes A LOT of skill to maintain that line.

 

Well, how do you expect me to react, you come on and make such a blanketing, and unfounded and uneducated response, and it's directed at me. How is that mature? I like how you make yourself out to be a mature adult, but your initial post is stupid and it's clear to anyone who has racing knowledge of any kind that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. It's clear you simply have a bias against my kind of racing, surely enough because everyone in NASCAR is a redneck hillbilly...right....And what is it you consider racing? Formula 1? ha! Sure, not many people would spin one out, because the cars have traction control! Formula one is a tehcnology showcase, not a race series.... remember, this is the series where drivers will pull over, at the finish line and let teammates win, and where the margin of victory is most often in number of laps, rather than tenths of a second...And what of road course racing in general... well, I did that too, and it indeed was some different skills in some cases, but it indeed was no harder or easier than oval track, however, as I said before, because of the competition I face on a regular basis in oval track, I do find it more a challenge for my skills.

Here's me and my current racecar
http://www.bigwestracing.com/gallery...ndylewis24.JPG

 

Actually isn't traction control banned in F1? Or at least don't they TRY to ban it?

 

Last I heard the cars do have a form of traction control, I'm not sure if they are attempting to rid the cars of that, I honestly dont keep up to date on that series.

 

Do you guys actually take your Maximas to the track or do you have a spare "racing" vehicle for that? I just can't see a 4 door family car being a good track car. I'd feel like people were laughing at me. But then again I think the same of drag racing the Max. Most cars that race here run 13 sec 1/4s or faster. I myself have only run the 1/8...

 

It's really tough to be impartial, but it's a good way to go. 5th gen Max is pretty ugly. Does it make it a bad car? Not necessarily, they sell for crazy cheap and some people really don't care about looks. E46 BMW is dated--finned alloy wheels and rear tail dressups don't hide that. 5-series is dated--narrow and tall look which is out. 745i? fuggediboudit, fr***** technology showcase on wheels! Awesome car! Saw 3 in Alexandria VA. 350Z? Awesome car, brochure does not do justice to the looks. Outperform M3? Who cares, they're not in the same market segment. Compare 350Z to 2 seaters, not sport coupes and sedans.

In life, a person has to make choices. Only a child says I can't decide, so I'll take them both. I can't afford either car, like I said, my mortgage is north of 2 grand per month. But that doesn't change the obvious, that the 350Z is a good looking car. That a 745 is a technology showcase (not like comdex which has gone down the drain!), and that the M3 is a serious performer but many people don't recognize it apart from a 330.

I mean sometimes this forum is not the real world, just buy everything in sight with no regard to excessive consumption!

 

Calling Brian an idiot was uncalled for. If you are going to flame someone do it with actual facts. YOU speak out of your @ss. I dont care what anyone says, NASCAR takes very little driving skills. Any skilled racer will laugh at NASCAR racing in general. Where else can you find grown men with 8th grade level educations racing? You guessed it NASCAR and its greatest known driver, good ole #3. I can race the same car you are currently running at Lake Geneva Speedway. All I would have to do is build the car, no special skills needed.

You said that NASCAR is more challenging than open wheel racing. If that is correct, why do drivers in the IROC series who arent part of NASCAR remain competitive? Why are there so many crashes at Watkins Glen? I will answer this one for you, because the drivers are not very skilled and can only drive on banked ovals. Anything else and they are out of there element.

 

*crickets chirping*

 

You know, maybe if you had made it a half way compelling arguement, you might have offended me. I actually laughed when I read this.. It's odd to think you guys are so incredibly stupid, but I dont even think you're this dumb. If you wanted to make a post strictly to offend me, be more stealthy about it, ok? niether you nor your buddy BriGuy knows jack **** about any kind of automobile racing, and it really shows, so you guys keep making asses of yourselves. It's a shame, I'm guessing it's members like you two that help to give this board such a bad reputation.

 

All drama aside, I wish I could drive a Z, or even ride in one.
Anyone in PA (tri-state)area have one? (j/k)