Juss raced a black 3000GT VR-4 on 19th ave to 280South. Beat him up to 130mph. It didnt seem too fast tho i thought it would be alot faster. Man it was scary when EGT's hit 850 C and boost hit 12psi with the red warning lights blinking and stuff. Car starting overheating too...man, need to fix my car....

 

Which light did you drag from? The light on 19th near Tower Records which is the beginning of the "drag strip" or the light near State? Man...gotta watch out for that turn that connects 19th to 280S...people never stay in their own lanes. BTW, great kill..=)

 

I'll bet the guy in the VR4 is gonna go home an have a look at *HIS* car.. =) He must have been totally baffled when he shifted into 3rd and you were still there.. haha Good kill.. =)

ZuM

 

Make great power, have awd and all, but they just weigh too darn much. Did you know that the very first ones had this stupid dial system where you could control the exhaust note from the inside?

 

You're kidding me! How did it change the exhaust note? Better yet. What were the settings? On one end "Cheap Tin Can" and on the other end "Quality Cat-Back"? Hehe.. And you can pick something in between? Hehe..

ZuM

 

Hey! Don't dis the exhaust sound dial...Nismo makes an exhaust for the Skyline R34 with a switch..You can choose between "sport" and "silent".

 

Hmmm maybe its a switch that opens and closes the secondary valve in the muffler instead of relaying on exhaust pressure. I can't understand how you can get two tones.. but a dial? Hehe..

ZuM

 

There was a dial to change the exhaust note and even the suspension stiffness as well, I think. The 3KGT was just a 'flagship car' from Mitsubishi, to show off what they could do. Just like the first Q45, but I think the Q was a lot better

 

the guy was pretty koo bout it. Instead of flying by me after i beat him, he pulled up next to me and gave me a thumbs up. We started racing on 19th right after Stonestown light before SFSU. I was cruising ahead of him at around 40mph and i saw him coming up fast so i gunned it and then we started racing up till 280...i was pretty scary taking that 19th ave to 280 turn in triple digits.

 

What kind of setup are you running again? I've wanted to try a light pressure turbo setup instead of SC'ing, because I don't need that much extra power. I don't even know if my auto tranny can handle it. A dude in the 3rd gen forum asked about it, and sparked my curiosity again...

 

I guess it's OK for Nismo to make but not Mitsu.

 

Weighed the car down with tons of stuff, making it into some techno-lux barge instead of a sports car. And the Spyder was even slower...

 

instead of choosing between "sport" and "silent", they should have named them, "wife at home" and "wife in car".

 

Black VQ


im boosting around 8 pounds rite now. I blew my $5 cylinder and partial head gasket when it overboosted at 20 pounds. Im building a spare motor and plan to boost around 14-16 pounds when finished. I think you could run low boost around 6psi and have no probs. I had no probs at 8psi either till it overboosted...sucks

 

The dude in the 3rd gen forum has it easy. He can just use the turbo manifold from the Z, but I'd need a custom one. That's my major roadblock right now.

I'm just looking for an extra 30-40hp, enough to put me over my friend's Rustang 5.0. He's down to about 200hp from the stock 225 'cuz it's an old heap, but he wants to add a 25-shot of nitrous.

 

the custom downpipe on my 4th gen is really trick. Alot of people see it and then go "oh that sucks, your turbo only runs on the front bank of cylinders" then as they look under it they see the second pipe,wastegate and the nice welds. I want to sell this downpipe in the future for a more improved downpipe, Moving the turbo a few inches back. FOr an extra 30-40hp, i dont think it would be worth it to spend so much money for a turbo. Maybe juss get a NOS kit or invest in some good all motor work. Good luck man

 

Cool, I got the thumbs up from a VR4 driver & also. They seem to be cool guys. I'd really like to race one from a standstill though. BTW, do you have any pics of your Turbo?

Jim

 

http://www.angelfire.com/ca5/skimax/lynn/

thats of me, matt (turbomax), and alex (team yossi max) at stanford U

 

hey Turbo so the Z manifold on not the last Z but the one before won't fit the 4gen Max. I'm wondering because my brother in law is going to sell me his T3/T4. And I'm debating just because I wonder how much difference ther is in the output of the Turbo vs SC. I don't mind doing the custom stuff but how do you feel the turbo?

 

I'm shagrinned to admit I owned not one, but TWO of those damned things (3000GT VR4)! They WERE really great "touring" cars, but not really in the same league as the RX-7's and 300ZX's they were competing with. It used to drive my insane getting harrassed by dorks in Mustang GT's.

I have to say this in fairness to Mitsu, the "toys" on the car were really cool. The exhaust had a two-poition switch for high-flow (loud) and low-flow (quieter). Not a whole hell of a lot of difference. BUT, the really cool thing was the "Active Aero"! The front air dam lip, and rear spoiler actually MOVED to optimal position based onthe speed you were driving. (Seen any 911's with the spoiler going in and out?)

And the suspension was adjustable for sport or comfort mode, as well as a really cool LCD monitor-style panel for climate control.

So, yeah, it was a pig, but it was fun to play with!

I like my Maxima much better though ;-)

 

You can say that again. I have beating so many 3000GTeas, any model. Mitsu, should have named it GT after 3000 RPMs. Remember, No rotor: no motor.

 

As for the VR-4 exaust thing. heres the scoop......
it has a sport and silent mode, I forgot if that is actually the words used. However it has one muffler on the passengers rear, and just before the piping reaches that muffler it Ys off into a pipe and resonated tip only. the valve is electronic as I remember and opens acording to your position on a switch. it is basically a "external" maxima 2k muffler. except your fingers do the choosing, and not your rpm/exaust pressure. Cool car actually, torque steers like a *****, especially when the TTs kick in. great to swing around a negative banked corner too!! . all in all fun car, high maintenance, and short life.
I've driven the old 5spd modles and the newer 6 spd 320hp models and yes they are a PIG. poor seating, poor vision and poor ride. Give me a ZTT or a SUPdawgTT any day. on a side note, most every publication on the planet when comparing it to the other TT modles, 300ZTT, SupTT, RX-7TT and even LT1 corvettes, it always falls dead last man.

 

i almost got one of those for my first car..... it was a 92 VR4..marron with 300HP.. yea it was big but i loved it... i was very close to getting it.. but it had 127K miles on it and i was wondering how the transmission would hold up, because its a closed transmission.. u cant work on it... only buy new ones or rebuilt ones.... so i decided to spend 3K more and get a 95 MAXIMA GLE.... im not disapointed.. i just want more power ....i think those vr4's are cool even tho they weigh almost 2 tons.... hehe alittle lighter than my dad's 99 Toyota landcruiser.... they r pretty quick tho....... but so is my maxima

 

Hey


well, Lynn already posted the pics on the turbo. My pics arent really any better. I like turbo more then supercharger cause ive worked with Turbos more and am more knowledgeable with them. I think they sound better and they are much easier to up the boost to go faster.

The Z manifold will not fit on the Max. I am still using the stock manifolds with a custom made downpipe that connects the front and rear bank cylinders to the turbo and one pipe going out to the exhaust system.

 

The 3KGT was always the worst when it came to comparison tests with the RX-7, Supra TT, 300ZXTT, and the like. But it was the last one to get killed off! Kinda makes you think...

 

Hey thanks Turbo

 

OKAY...

we had a similar retarded attack on the VR-4's in the past... Turbo Max if this really happened, good kill...
no need for the VR-4 knocking though...

all you magazine stat readers... 300Z TT walk a 3000GT/Stealth TT? HIGHLY unlikely. Have you seen a VR-4 at the tracks? HIGHLY unlikely... have you ever even been to a Drag strip or road course? HIGHLY unlikely. Please, any performance enthusiast should know that magazine stats are way inflated... and very biased... and don't exactly carry across to real world stats.

the VR-4, Supra, 300ZX are all in the same class... and the 300ZX is at the bottom of the pole when it comes to stock performance.

For all those trash talkers... Not very respectable.

About our weight? 3800-4000lbs... supras weigh in at 3600-3700lbs...
so explain HOW 200-300lbs would affect 300+hp after you get going past 100?

VR-4/RT-TT's are underdogs due to all these hyped up opinions and myths that you guys like to believe... I'm not here to badmouth maximas... because all-in-all... when done right, they can get fast... like Honda Civics... force to be reckoned with after some forced induction.

a lot of people turn the blind eye on the VR-4/RT-TT because they assume we are heavy because of 'word of mouth'... don't know our potential... and rail us for being dog heavy, and slow... and that's fine... I'd rather have myself being an underdog.

Ignorance only makes you look dumber.

 

Why do find such importance to "inform" us how light VR4s are when you'd rather be considered an underdog? BTW I rode in a friend's VR4 w/ the factory chrome 18's. Nice car. Very good punch. Very stable at 100+.

 

hehe... i just did that to wash off some of those hyped-up misconceptions about our cars.

maybe some people... NAMELY SMARTMAXOWNER... will get the concept that comparing the VR-4 to a maxima is not the way to go and bragging about another's achievement is just retarded.

 

So, you're telling me the tranny falling out of the bottom of the car isn't true? Potential? I'm sure its there.. But many people feel that the other cars are just better.. More character.. More performance. As for maximas.. They don't have to be force fed to be fast. Only force-fed to beat cars higher up on the foodchain. =) Please don't compare us to civics.. Thank you.

ZuM

 

our cars aren't light... nothing near it..

but they are no heavier than the cars that are in it's class. that's the point that I was trying to make...

 

then some of you may want to stop comparing us to maximas... thank you.

 

I agree on the performance.
For the twinturbo trio, the Supra, 300ZX and 3000GT VR4, 300ZX is the slowest in stock form I think. VR4 is a bit on the heavier side, but AWD gives a great launch.

 

I applaud anyone for killing something higher up the food chain. That's why I'm not doubting that TurboMax... anything is possible. But many seem to generalize a bit too much and get this huge ego rush after hearing a story like this... and then start a flame war out of a kill story by insulting the other car.
It's like italians watching a Rocky movie and then coming out of the movie theater thinking they can kick anyone's ***...

I hope some of you guys can see where I'm coming from... When you start insulting another person's car... that's what shows your lack of courtesy and respect. Just because one of your cars beat a VR-4 doesn't mean it gives YOU the right to mouth off on us.

I give respect where respect is due... when I get beat on the streets... I give a thumbs up, maybe pull over and chit-chat... I'm not an ***... like I think many of you guys with egos will be.

*okay... this message is mainly for those people that 'just don't quite get where i'm coming from'... not the cool guys...*

[Edited by pacman3000gt on 09-15-2000 at 11:34 AM]

 

One thing I really don't understand.
Why are we compaing a Maxima to a VR4?? That's apple to orange. If you must compare, I am surprised if anyone would take the Maxima over the VR4. Sure if you must have 4 doors and real back seats, then you have to take the Maxima, even over a Diablo or F550, but other than that, why would you??

 

regardless of what car you own?

Hell, I knock on Maximas..what difference does it make?

 

Why do you persist in the Maxima vs mitsu thing??? The only person who is comparing the Maxima to the mitsu is you.

Let's make that perfectly clear. If you want to clear up stats fine. But don't dig up old crap, okay?

BTW Isn't it true the VR4 AWD tranny is the weak link in the mechancials and costs like over $5000 new becuase it's a German make? My friend also sold his older VR4 becuase the tranny was acting up. Also had some trouble w/ the electricals. Tech guy had to fiddle w/ 3 onboard computors! Geez can anyone work on their own car w/ these things?? I mean beyond simple maintance?? Just curious.

 

lol.. yeah...
mitsubishi service sucks... and they don't offer transmission parts...
but we have third party vendors that have made most parts... so transmission is not an issue anymore.

Getrag is a German transmission company that makes sports car trannies... Skyline, corvette, uses them along with many others...

the reason why I'm here is because this guy named "SMARTMAXOWNER" insists on comparing us to you guys... and he is a complete idiot...

and besides...

I missed you guys.. lol

 

What do you mean "not an issue anymore" So you can get parts. Exactly who is gonna bench press this rock outa the car and then tear down the tranny to work on it? If Mitsu tech guys can't, who can? For a reasonable price?

And do you have to have NASA certification to work on your own car or what?

 

I don't think anyone here said that their NA Maxima was faster than a VR4 or could take out a VR4. I think somebody said that they like their maxima better.. Thats their opinion. We are only jumping on you because you're on a maxima bbs complaining about something that happened on another BBS and have nothing to do with us.