How had is it hitting your pocket?
02-21-2003, 06:31 PM
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How had is it hitting your pocket?
I stopped today to get gas and thought I was gonna die.I paid $29.25 to fill up,but I was on empty...I put in 18.17 gallons..I don't even know how manys gallons my tank holds...How do I compare to you guys or girls...I live in Tn..and I paid $1.60 a gallon for 93 octane...97se auto.....
02-21-2003, 07:37 PM
#5
Originally posted by Jamsan
$20 brought me up to a little over 3/4 mark....this was on like no gas..my car died twice when going around curves cuz of it
$20 brought me up to a little over 3/4 mark....this was on like no gas..my car died twice when going around curves cuz of it
and it was on E and I put in 87 octane...hehe...different story once the Max is back, I will be at the $30 mark.
02-21-2003, 07:47 PM
#7
Re: How had is it hitting your pocket?
Originally posted by jugmax
I put in 18.17 gallons..I don't even know how manys gallons my tank holds...
I put in 18.17 gallons..I don't even know how manys gallons my tank holds...
People are saying we are going to war Mid march so everyone better fill up before then!
02-21-2003, 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by spiff56747
The proposed war with Iraq is doing wonderful things for our country. Not only is it turning the whole world against us, but its also jacking up the gas prices to astronomical amounts. Go Bush!
The proposed war with Iraq is doing wonderful things for our country. Not only is it turning the whole world against us, but its also jacking up the gas prices to astronomical amounts. Go Bush!
02-22-2003, 12:36 AM
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Originally posted by I30tMikeD
That is a very ignorant comment.
That is a very ignorant comment.
02-22-2003, 01:31 AM
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And besides... I'll pay higher gas prices for the rest of my life if it means that our nation will go down in history as one of the few that was willing to help rid the world of idiots like Hussein and bin Laden.
Anyway, check out that hydrogen fuel cell vehicle that GM produced recently. That's what'll be powering our cars in the not-too-distant future.
Anyway, check out that hydrogen fuel cell vehicle that GM produced recently. That's what'll be powering our cars in the not-too-distant future.
02-22-2003, 03:15 AM
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Re: How had is it hitting your pocket?
Originally posted by jugmax
I stopped today to get gas and thought I was gonna die.I paid $29.25 to fill up,but I was on empty...I put in 18.17 gallons..I don't even know how manys gallons my tank holds...How do I compare to you guys or girls...I live in Tn..and I paid $1.60 a gallon for 93 octane...97se auto.....
I stopped today to get gas and thought I was gonna die.I paid $29.25 to fill up,but I was on empty...I put in 18.17 gallons..I don't even know how manys gallons my tank holds...How do I compare to you guys or girls...I live in Tn..and I paid $1.60 a gallon for 93 octane...97se auto.....
btw you cut it close, you had less than 1/2 gal left in the tank. That's not good for your fuel system.
02-22-2003, 04:16 AM
#18
Times like this is when these hybrid car owners have a 
on their faces. And for those who are contemplating down grading to regular from premium "Me, myself, and I" have come to the conclusion that it's not worth it, but of course your wallet may differ. The price difference between regular and premium is about $3.00 +/- on a complete fill-up. I can figure out others ways on saving $3.00 in my daily routines instead on down grading. Also do others find it more beneficial (MPG) to do complete fill-up in between empty tanks instead of $5, $7, $10 here and there, I do.
on their faces. And for those who are contemplating down grading to regular from premium "Me, myself, and I" have come to the conclusion that it's not worth it, but of course your wallet may differ. The price difference between regular and premium is about $3.00 +/- on a complete fill-up. I can figure out others ways on saving $3.00 in my daily routines instead on down grading. Also do others find it more beneficial (MPG) to do complete fill-up in between empty tanks instead of $5, $7, $10 here and there, I do.
02-22-2003, 06:54 AM
#20
have you seen this email:
>****** Where to buy gas
>
>The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favor.
An
>interesting thought it to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up
the
>car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi
Arabia.
>Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the
Saudis.
>
>Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I
fill-up the
>tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my
>family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for you to
know
>which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major
companies
>import Middle Eastern oil (for the period 9/1/00 - 8/31/01):
>
> Shell.........................205,742,000 barrels
> Chevron/Texaco.........144,332,000 barrels
> Exxon /Mobil..............130,082,000 barrels
>
> Marathon/Speedway...117,740,000 barrels
> Amoco......................62,231,000 barrels
>
>If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18
>BILLION!
>
>Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
>
> Citgo....................0 barrels
> Sunoco............. ..0 barrels
> Conoco............. ..0 barrels
> Sinclair............... 0 barrels
> BP/Phillips.......... 0 barrels
> Hess...................0 barrels
>
>All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and
>each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they
are
>importing.
>
>They report on a monthly basis. Keep this list in your car;
>****** Where to buy gas
>
>The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favor.
An
>interesting thought it to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up
the
>car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi
Arabia.
>Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the
Saudis.
>
>Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I
fill-up the
>tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my
>family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for you to
know
>which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major
companies
>import Middle Eastern oil (for the period 9/1/00 - 8/31/01):
>
> Shell.........................205,742,000 barrels
> Chevron/Texaco.........144,332,000 barrels
> Exxon /Mobil..............130,082,000 barrels
>
> Marathon/Speedway...117,740,000 barrels
> Amoco......................62,231,000 barrels
>
>If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18
>BILLION!
>
>Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
>
> Citgo....................0 barrels
> Sunoco............. ..0 barrels
> Conoco............. ..0 barrels
> Sinclair............... 0 barrels
> BP/Phillips.......... 0 barrels
> Hess...................0 barrels
>
>All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and
>each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they
are
>importing.
>
>They report on a monthly basis. Keep this list in your car;
02-22-2003, 07:06 AM
#21
Originally posted by NickStam
have you seen this email:
****** Where to buy gas
The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favor.
An
interesting thought it to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up
the
car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi
Arabia.
Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the
Saudis.
Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I
fill-up the
tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my
family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for you to
know
which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major
companies
import Middle Eastern oil (for the period 9/1/00 - 8/31/01):
have you seen this email:
****** Where to buy gas
The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favor.
An
interesting thought it to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up
the
car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi
Arabia.
Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the
Saudis.
Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I
fill-up the
tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my
family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for you to
know
which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major
companies
import Middle Eastern oil (for the period 9/1/00 - 8/31/01):
02-22-2003, 07:10 AM
#22
Originally posted by LeonBlackMax
yes it is , the war with iraq has only a little to do with our gas situation, actually there are two other countries fighting a war now where we get our oil from.
yes it is , the war with iraq has only a little to do with our gas situation, actually there are two other countries fighting a war now where we get our oil from.
02-22-2003, 07:11 AM
#23
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Originally posted by NickStam
have you seen this email:
>****** Where to buy gas
>
>The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favor.
An
>interesting thought it to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up
the
>car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi
Arabia.
>Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the
Saudis.
>
>Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I
fill-up the
>tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my
>family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for you to
know
>which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major
companies
>import Middle Eastern oil (for the period 9/1/00 - 8/31/01):
>
> Shell.........................205,742,000 barrels
> Chevron/Texaco.........144,332,000 barrels
> Exxon /Mobil..............130,082,000 barrels
>
> Marathon/Speedway...117,740,000 barrels
> Amoco......................62,231,000 barrels
>
>If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18
>BILLION!
>
>Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
>
> Citgo....................0 barrels
> Sunoco............. ..0 barrels
> Conoco............. ..0 barrels
> Sinclair............... 0 barrels
> BP/Phillips.......... 0 barrels
> Hess...................0 barrels
>
>All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and
>each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they
are
>importing.
>
>They report on a monthly basis. Keep this list in your car;
have you seen this email:
>****** Where to buy gas
>
>The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favor.
An
>interesting thought it to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up
the
>car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi
Arabia.
>Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the
Saudis.
>
>Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I
fill-up the
>tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my
>family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for you to
know
>which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major
companies
>import Middle Eastern oil (for the period 9/1/00 - 8/31/01):
>
> Shell.........................205,742,000 barrels
> Chevron/Texaco.........144,332,000 barrels
> Exxon /Mobil..............130,082,000 barrels
>
> Marathon/Speedway...117,740,000 barrels
> Amoco......................62,231,000 barrels
>
>If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18
>BILLION!
>
>Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
>
> Citgo....................0 barrels
> Sunoco............. ..0 barrels
> Conoco............. ..0 barrels
> Sinclair............... 0 barrels
> BP/Phillips.......... 0 barrels
> Hess...................0 barrels
>
>All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and
>each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they
are
>importing.
>
>They report on a monthly basis. Keep this list in your car;
We don't have to oil dependent on the middle East. We have huge untapped oil resources in Alaska and off the Florida cost. Thank democrates and the Environmentalist wacos for keeping us oil dependent. We have very safe ways of recovering oil these days which have very little environmental impact. What is bad for the environment is having the huge oil tankers crossing the Ocean from the Middle east risking an oil spill.
Think of all the American jobs lost by not using our own oil.
President Bush is the last person to blame for our oil prices.
02-22-2003, 07:42 AM
#24
Originally posted by I30tMikeD
We have huge untapped oil resources in Alaska and off the Florida cost.
We have huge untapped oil resources in Alaska and off the Florida cost.
02-22-2003, 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by Mishmosh
The potential oil reserves in Alaska and Florida are not so huge... they would make up only a small percentage of oil consumption in America. There is no possible way domestic oil production can come close to meeting consumption. The truth of the matter is that unless alternative energy sources are utilized and/or oil consumption lowers dramatically, we will be dependant on OPEC and independant oil-producing nations for the forseeable future. Were OPEC a corporation, they'd be blatantly guilty of monopoly power, price-fixing, etc...
The potential oil reserves in Alaska and Florida are not so huge... they would make up only a small percentage of oil consumption in America. There is no possible way domestic oil production can come close to meeting consumption. The truth of the matter is that unless alternative energy sources are utilized and/or oil consumption lowers dramatically, we will be dependant on OPEC and independant oil-producing nations for the forseeable future. Were OPEC a corporation, they'd be blatantly guilty of monopoly power, price-fixing, etc...
Our Nations anit-trust laws would have no effect on OPEC, even if they were a corporation.
02-22-2003, 11:30 AM
#26
The current reserves are expected to run out within the next 50 years. I've actually seen estimates anywhere from 10-50 years.. There are resources that have not been touched yet, in Alaska and such but the cost of extracting them is very high, plus environmentalists won't let that happen..
I don't know how much these war talks are effecting oil prices, I'm sure they have some effect, yet I think the crazy cold winter has something to do with it as well.
Gas prices are typically higher in the summer though (?). So they may be shooting up more..
I remember reading that oil production is expected to hit it's peak in the next 5-10 years, then it's going to slow down or stay at a steady level so they can maximize the use of what we have so far. I also read about EPA imposing some kind of restriction to the automotive industry by 2008.. that all vehicles made and sold in U.S. after that year would have to be getting at least 25 mpg or something like that.
I'm not sure about this, but I do remember reading something about it.
Technology is out there though.. just right now, manufacturers don't want to bother with it, because as long as people continue buying gas guzzling SUVs, they don't care because they still sell cars regardless of gas prices. Chevy Corvette is getting like 20-28 mpg if I am not mistaken.. not bad for a V8.
I think every manufacturer will have a hybrid within the next 5 years. And gas prices have no where to go but up...
enjoy it while you can.. soon we'll all be driving Honda Insights
I don't know how much these war talks are effecting oil prices, I'm sure they have some effect, yet I think the crazy cold winter has something to do with it as well.
Gas prices are typically higher in the summer though (?). So they may be shooting up more..
I remember reading that oil production is expected to hit it's peak in the next 5-10 years, then it's going to slow down or stay at a steady level so they can maximize the use of what we have so far. I also read about EPA imposing some kind of restriction to the automotive industry by 2008.. that all vehicles made and sold in U.S. after that year would have to be getting at least 25 mpg or something like that.
I'm not sure about this, but I do remember reading something about it. Technology is out there though.. just right now, manufacturers don't want to bother with it, because as long as people continue buying gas guzzling SUVs, they don't care because they still sell cars regardless of gas prices. Chevy Corvette is getting like 20-28 mpg if I am not mistaken.. not bad for a V8.
I think every manufacturer will have a hybrid within the next 5 years. And gas prices have no where to go but up...
enjoy it while you can.. soon we'll all be driving Honda Insights
thats cheap.
02-22-2003, 04:35 PM
#32
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Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 8,555
Okay, here's my worthless opinion.
Please read:
First off, there is still a MASSIVE amount of untapped oil reserves in this world. Estimates range from 200-400+years. Oil exploration has revealed that there are large reserves locked 1000'-3000' below current reserves. Getting there will be the problem, but if the demand is there, the technology will be developed. How do I know this? I work closely with oil companies. They're not worried.
Second, the fuel price hikes bother me because of the BS reasoning, however the overall price doesn't bother me. Why? Because I am so damn sick and tired of the SUV craze. It's the most rediculous thing occuring in this country and I honestly believe that SUV/truck ownership does indeed support our need for middle-eastern oil. I'll be damn glad when gas prices skyrocket to the point where people realize it's just too expensive to drive their yuppie station wagon. I'll be laughing. IMO, it wouldn't bother me to pay a large tax that pushed gas to $2.50 a gallon AS LONG as much of the tax was going to things like better schools, roads, low emission and low fuel technology.
The price of gas in this country has made us the big fat obese country of the world. Our gas is dirt cheap compared to other parts of the world. Why should we be any different. The amount of energy this country consumes is mind boggling. It also bothering me that we force other countries to be "clean" with there resources and the conserve, but when environmental councils of the world get together, we don't sign anything because we would all have to change our lifestyle which means getting rid of the SUVs and driving MUCH smaller cars. In Europe, a Maxima is a HUGE car.
Price of 91-92 in Kansas City is around $1.90. I end up paying an extra $1.80. Big deal.
Dave
Please read:
First off, there is still a MASSIVE amount of untapped oil reserves in this world. Estimates range from 200-400+years. Oil exploration has revealed that there are large reserves locked 1000'-3000' below current reserves. Getting there will be the problem, but if the demand is there, the technology will be developed. How do I know this? I work closely with oil companies. They're not worried.
Second, the fuel price hikes bother me because of the BS reasoning, however the overall price doesn't bother me. Why? Because I am so damn sick and tired of the SUV craze. It's the most rediculous thing occuring in this country and I honestly believe that SUV/truck ownership does indeed support our need for middle-eastern oil. I'll be damn glad when gas prices skyrocket to the point where people realize it's just too expensive to drive their yuppie station wagon. I'll be laughing. IMO, it wouldn't bother me to pay a large tax that pushed gas to $2.50 a gallon AS LONG as much of the tax was going to things like better schools, roads, low emission and low fuel technology.
The price of gas in this country has made us the big fat obese country of the world. Our gas is dirt cheap compared to other parts of the world. Why should we be any different. The amount of energy this country consumes is mind boggling. It also bothering me that we force other countries to be "clean" with there resources and the conserve, but when environmental councils of the world get together, we don't sign anything because we would all have to change our lifestyle which means getting rid of the SUVs and driving MUCH smaller cars. In Europe, a Maxima is a HUGE car.
Price of 91-92 in Kansas City is around $1.90. I end up paying an extra $1.80. Big deal.
Dave
02-22-2003, 05:33 PM
#33
Originally posted by I30tMikeD
We have huge untapped oil resources in Alaska and off the Florida cost
We have huge untapped oil resources in Alaska and off the Florida cost
02-23-2003, 04:23 AM
#35
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Join Date: Nov 2000
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Originally posted by Dave B
Okay, here's my worthless opinion.
Please read:
First off, there is still a MASSIVE amount of untapped oil reserves in this world. Estimates range from 200-400+years. Oil exploration has revealed that there are large reserves locked 1000'-3000' below current reserves. Getting there will be the problem, but if the demand is there, the technology will be developed. How do I know this? I work closely with oil companies. They're not worried.
Second, the fuel price hikes bother me because of the BS reasoning, however the overall price doesn't bother me. Why? Because I am so damn sick and tired of the SUV craze. It's the most rediculous thing occuring in this country and I honestly believe that SUV/truck ownership does indeed support our need for middle-eastern oil. I'll be damn glad when gas prices skyrocket to the point where people realize it's just too expensive to drive their yuppie station wagon. I'll be laughing. IMO, it wouldn't bother me to pay a large tax that pushed gas to $2.50 a gallon AS LONG as much of the tax was going to things like better schools, roads, low emission and low fuel technology.
The price of gas in this country has made us the big fat obese country of the world. Our gas is dirt cheap compared to other parts of the world. Why should we be any different. The amount of energy this country consumes is mind boggling. It also bothering me that we force other countries to be "clean" with there resources and the conserve, but when environmental councils of the world get together, we don't sign anything because we would all have to change our lifestyle which means getting rid of the SUVs and driving MUCH smaller cars. In Europe, a Maxima is a HUGE car.
Price of 91-92 in Kansas City is around $1.90. I end up paying an extra $1.80. Big deal.
Dave
Okay, here's my worthless opinion.
Please read:
First off, there is still a MASSIVE amount of untapped oil reserves in this world. Estimates range from 200-400+years. Oil exploration has revealed that there are large reserves locked 1000'-3000' below current reserves. Getting there will be the problem, but if the demand is there, the technology will be developed. How do I know this? I work closely with oil companies. They're not worried.
Second, the fuel price hikes bother me because of the BS reasoning, however the overall price doesn't bother me. Why? Because I am so damn sick and tired of the SUV craze. It's the most rediculous thing occuring in this country and I honestly believe that SUV/truck ownership does indeed support our need for middle-eastern oil. I'll be damn glad when gas prices skyrocket to the point where people realize it's just too expensive to drive their yuppie station wagon. I'll be laughing. IMO, it wouldn't bother me to pay a large tax that pushed gas to $2.50 a gallon AS LONG as much of the tax was going to things like better schools, roads, low emission and low fuel technology.
The price of gas in this country has made us the big fat obese country of the world. Our gas is dirt cheap compared to other parts of the world. Why should we be any different. The amount of energy this country consumes is mind boggling. It also bothering me that we force other countries to be "clean" with there resources and the conserve, but when environmental councils of the world get together, we don't sign anything because we would all have to change our lifestyle which means getting rid of the SUVs and driving MUCH smaller cars. In Europe, a Maxima is a HUGE car.
Price of 91-92 in Kansas City is around $1.90. I end up paying an extra $1.80. Big deal.
Dave
It's so amazing that many Americans do not even realize that gasoline is an end-product. It's been refined. There is NO direct correlation between the price of crude oil and gasoline. Yet when people get gouged 16% in 2 weeks their attitude is big deal. Why? Because they can still afford it. But that's ok--I've got some oil drillers in my portfolio, one which was even a spin-off. I don't have a problem with making money.
02-23-2003, 07:35 AM
#36
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if you guys went anywhere in Europe, Asia, and even some Latin American countries you'll find that we don't have it as bad as they do over there. people pay upwards of 4 dollars a gallon to feed their driving passion, and have been doing so for a long time.
My sister lives in italy, home of Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maseratti, and Ducati to name a few. where people love their cars more than they do their mothers, and they pay up the ying ying for gas.. and they get by. they walk more or use Vespas, they use their cars when they need to.
The price increase we're seeing in America is due to the political crisis that is happening in Venezuela which was the 3rd crude exporter to USA. the petroleum industry there went from 3 million barrels a day down to 125 thousand.. that's not even enough to feed their own consumption needs. nevermind the president there is a left wing Hussein loving anti-American. So, who knows how long we'll be in business with them. Saudi Arabia was supposed to increase their production to fill in the vaccumm caused by Venezuela's crisis. So they are not trying to kill us.. they just want our $$$. the terrorists there are like the KKK, or Arian organizations here.. just a few morons with evil minds.
This whole war thing is very simple.. Arabs see it as a jihad, a religious cause, we see it as control of oil around the world.
Did you guys know that Turkey is pulling out of the deal we had with them to use their bases and airspace in exchange of a 30 BILLION dollar aid package?.. i mean, that's a lot of mods right there.. now we have the Turks turning their backs on us, along with the French and the Germans.. who's next?..
This war is going to make things worse than they are. higher gas prices, more terrorist acts against us, more bombing over there and loss of innocent lives, and Bush i just praying that the war will boost the market up.
IMO, if the price of peace means higher gas prices, then, so be it.
i hope this made sense.
My sister lives in italy, home of Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maseratti, and Ducati to name a few. where people love their cars more than they do their mothers, and they pay up the ying ying for gas.. and they get by. they walk more or use Vespas, they use their cars when they need to.
The price increase we're seeing in America is due to the political crisis that is happening in Venezuela which was the 3rd crude exporter to USA. the petroleum industry there went from 3 million barrels a day down to 125 thousand.. that's not even enough to feed their own consumption needs. nevermind the president there is a left wing Hussein loving anti-American. So, who knows how long we'll be in business with them. Saudi Arabia was supposed to increase their production to fill in the vaccumm caused by Venezuela's crisis. So they are not trying to kill us.. they just want our $$$. the terrorists there are like the KKK, or Arian organizations here.. just a few morons with evil minds.
This whole war thing is very simple.. Arabs see it as a jihad, a religious cause, we see it as control of oil around the world.
Did you guys know that Turkey is pulling out of the deal we had with them to use their bases and airspace in exchange of a 30 BILLION dollar aid package?.. i mean, that's a lot of mods right there.. now we have the Turks turning their backs on us, along with the French and the Germans.. who's next?..
This war is going to make things worse than they are. higher gas prices, more terrorist acts against us, more bombing over there and loss of innocent lives, and Bush i just praying that the war will boost the market up.
IMO, if the price of peace means higher gas prices, then, so be it.
i hope this made sense.
02-23-2003, 07:52 AM
#37
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 431
Originally posted by Dave B
Okay, here's my worthless opinion.
Second, the fuel price hikes bother me because of the BS reasoning, however the overall price doesn't bother me. Why? Because I am so damn sick and tired of the SUV craze. It's the most rediculous thing occuring in this country and I honestly believe that SUV/truck ownership does indeed support our need for middle-eastern oil. I'll be damn glad when gas prices skyrocket to the point where people realize it's just too expensive to drive their yuppie station wagon. I'll be laughing. IMO, it wouldn't bother me to pay a large tax that pushed gas to $2.50 a gallon AS LONG as much of the tax was going to things like better schools, roads, low emission and low fuel technology.
The price of gas in this country has made us the big fat obese country of the world. Our gas is dirt cheap compared to other parts of the world. Why should we be any different. The amount of energy this country consumes is mind boggling. It also bothering me that we force other countries to be "clean" with there resources and the conserve, but when environmental councils of the world get together, we don't sign anything because we would all have to change our lifestyle which means getting rid of the SUVs and driving MUCH smaller cars. In Europe, a Maxima is a HUGE car.
Price of 91-92 in Kansas City is around $1.90. I end up paying an extra $1.80. Big deal.
Dave
Okay, here's my worthless opinion.
Second, the fuel price hikes bother me because of the BS reasoning, however the overall price doesn't bother me. Why? Because I am so damn sick and tired of the SUV craze. It's the most rediculous thing occuring in this country and I honestly believe that SUV/truck ownership does indeed support our need for middle-eastern oil. I'll be damn glad when gas prices skyrocket to the point where people realize it's just too expensive to drive their yuppie station wagon. I'll be laughing. IMO, it wouldn't bother me to pay a large tax that pushed gas to $2.50 a gallon AS LONG as much of the tax was going to things like better schools, roads, low emission and low fuel technology.
The price of gas in this country has made us the big fat obese country of the world. Our gas is dirt cheap compared to other parts of the world. Why should we be any different. The amount of energy this country consumes is mind boggling. It also bothering me that we force other countries to be "clean" with there resources and the conserve, but when environmental councils of the world get together, we don't sign anything because we would all have to change our lifestyle which means getting rid of the SUVs and driving MUCH smaller cars. In Europe, a Maxima is a HUGE car.
Price of 91-92 in Kansas City is around $1.90. I end up paying an extra $1.80. Big deal.
Dave
02-23-2003, 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by Dave B
Okay, here's my worthless opinion.
Please read:
First off, there is still a MASSIVE amount of untapped oil reserves in this world. Estimates range from 200-400+years. Oil exploration has revealed that there are large reserves locked 1000'-3000' below current reserves. Getting there will be the problem, but if the demand is there, the technology will be developed. How do I know this? I work closely with oil companies. They're not worried.
Second, the fuel price hikes bother me because of the BS reasoning, however the overall price doesn't bother me. Why? Because I am so damn sick and tired of the SUV craze. It's the most rediculous thing occuring in this country and I honestly believe that SUV/truck ownership does indeed support our need for middle-eastern oil. I'll be damn glad when gas prices skyrocket to the point where people realize it's just too expensive to drive their yuppie station wagon. I'll be laughing. IMO, it wouldn't bother me to pay a large tax that pushed gas to $2.50 a gallon AS LONG as much of the tax was going to things like better schools, roads, low emission and low fuel technology.
The price of gas in this country has made us the big fat obese country of the world. Our gas is dirt cheap compared to other parts of the world. Why should we be any different. The amount of energy this country consumes is mind boggling. It also bothering me that we force other countries to be "clean" with there resources and the conserve, but when environmental councils of the world get together, we don't sign anything because we would all have to change our lifestyle which means getting rid of the SUVs and driving MUCH smaller cars. In Europe, a Maxima is a HUGE car.
Price of 91-92 in Kansas City is around $1.90. I end up paying an extra $1.80. Big deal.
Dave
Okay, here's my worthless opinion.
Please read:
First off, there is still a MASSIVE amount of untapped oil reserves in this world. Estimates range from 200-400+years. Oil exploration has revealed that there are large reserves locked 1000'-3000' below current reserves. Getting there will be the problem, but if the demand is there, the technology will be developed. How do I know this? I work closely with oil companies. They're not worried.
Second, the fuel price hikes bother me because of the BS reasoning, however the overall price doesn't bother me. Why? Because I am so damn sick and tired of the SUV craze. It's the most rediculous thing occuring in this country and I honestly believe that SUV/truck ownership does indeed support our need for middle-eastern oil. I'll be damn glad when gas prices skyrocket to the point where people realize it's just too expensive to drive their yuppie station wagon. I'll be laughing. IMO, it wouldn't bother me to pay a large tax that pushed gas to $2.50 a gallon AS LONG as much of the tax was going to things like better schools, roads, low emission and low fuel technology.
The price of gas in this country has made us the big fat obese country of the world. Our gas is dirt cheap compared to other parts of the world. Why should we be any different. The amount of energy this country consumes is mind boggling. It also bothering me that we force other countries to be "clean" with there resources and the conserve, but when environmental councils of the world get together, we don't sign anything because we would all have to change our lifestyle which means getting rid of the SUVs and driving MUCH smaller cars. In Europe, a Maxima is a HUGE car.
Price of 91-92 in Kansas City is around $1.90. I end up paying an extra $1.80. Big deal.
Dave
Why in the world my buddy is buying a Yukon Denali XL (or something like that) with the HUUUUUGE engine is beyond me. It's him, his wife and their 1 kid. I agree that they are a problem. Urban sprawl contributes to the car culture as well.
I'm with Dave on the fuel tax idea but the bureaucracy put in place to make use of the money would probably eat up nearly 1/2 of it or divert it to unintended targets (PORK).
Make it $4 gallon and I'll find a way to telecommute more frequently, have a more efficient around town vehicle and so on.
