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#41
Originally posted by joaquink
This is killing me. I'm driving my 88 Chevy K1500 while installing my turbo. I don't think I get much more than about 8 to 10 around the city so I have to fill up the 30 gallon tank every two weeks. Gas prices in Tucson have been about 1.45 to 1.55 for regular and it definitely stings. Thankfully, the truck now usually only sees about 2K miles per year for hauling stuff, fishing trips, dog to the vet, Home Depot etc. (can I get an exception for such low mileage Dave B?)
Why in the world my buddy is buying a Yukon Denali XL (or something like that) with the HUUUUUGE engine is beyond me. It's him, his wife and their 1 kid. I agree that they are a problem. Urban sprawl contributes to the car culture as well.
I'm with Dave on the fuel tax idea but the bureaucracy put in place to make use of the money would probably eat up nearly 1/2 of it or divert it to unintended targets (PORK).
Make it $4 gallon and I'll find a way to telecommute more frequently, have a more efficient around town vehicle and so on.
This is killing me. I'm driving my 88 Chevy K1500 while installing my turbo. I don't think I get much more than about 8 to 10 around the city so I have to fill up the 30 gallon tank every two weeks. Gas prices in Tucson have been about 1.45 to 1.55 for regular and it definitely stings. Thankfully, the truck now usually only sees about 2K miles per year for hauling stuff, fishing trips, dog to the vet, Home Depot etc. (can I get an exception for such low mileage Dave B?)
Why in the world my buddy is buying a Yukon Denali XL (or something like that) with the HUUUUUGE engine is beyond me. It's him, his wife and their 1 kid. I agree that they are a problem. Urban sprawl contributes to the car culture as well.
I'm with Dave on the fuel tax idea but the bureaucracy put in place to make use of the money would probably eat up nearly 1/2 of it or divert it to unintended targets (PORK).
Make it $4 gallon and I'll find a way to telecommute more frequently, have a more efficient around town vehicle and so on.
Telecommuting is pretty bogus if you ask me. I've popped-in on some people that report to me mid-day, only to find them in pj's watching tv. Big brother, yep, and young people shouldn't have to babysit 40 year-olds. Maybe for sales it works, because you don't produce, you get canned, so if you're sc****** around using telecommuting as excuse not to come in, you get weeded out. But for mgt., it doesn't work. My boss, by the way, telecommutes. She hasn't a clue what the people under her and their staff are doing. Yet we implement lots of new stuff and cut costs without her. Life goes on and while she drives her new Navigator into her 28 gal./11 mpg sunset.
#42
Originally posted by Frank Fontaine
Higher taxes is very pro-oil. Another concept many people unfortunately miss, it's regressive. Ummm...there's a reason why we don't tax groceries and do tax alcohol. Anyway, in such a case, a fuel tax increase is passed directly onto the consumer, with a little more gouging BAMM! It's really a poor excuse to do nothing to correct the problem. What has cigarette taxes accomplished? With Marlboros nearly $40 a carton but $20.95 CDN at the NYS border duty-free, you better believe every car is coming back daily with 1 carton per occupant. People are smoking up and eating $1 Big 'n' Tastys.
Telecommuting is pretty bogus if you ask me. I've popped-in on some people that report to me mid-day, only to find them in pj's watching tv. Big brother, yep, and young people shouldn't have to babysit 40 year-olds. Maybe for sales it works, because you don't produce, you get canned, so if you're sc****** around using telecommuting as excuse not to come in, you get weeded out. But for mgt., it doesn't work. My boss, by the way, telecommutes. She hasn't a clue what the people under her and their staff are doing. Yet we implement lots of new stuff and cut costs without her. Life goes on and while she drives her new Navigator into her 28 gal./11 mpg sunset.
Higher taxes is very pro-oil. Another concept many people unfortunately miss, it's regressive. Ummm...there's a reason why we don't tax groceries and do tax alcohol. Anyway, in such a case, a fuel tax increase is passed directly onto the consumer, with a little more gouging BAMM! It's really a poor excuse to do nothing to correct the problem. What has cigarette taxes accomplished? With Marlboros nearly $40 a carton but $20.95 CDN at the NYS border duty-free, you better believe every car is coming back daily with 1 carton per occupant. People are smoking up and eating $1 Big 'n' Tastys.
Telecommuting is pretty bogus if you ask me. I've popped-in on some people that report to me mid-day, only to find them in pj's watching tv. Big brother, yep, and young people shouldn't have to babysit 40 year-olds. Maybe for sales it works, because you don't produce, you get canned, so if you're sc****** around using telecommuting as excuse not to come in, you get weeded out. But for mgt., it doesn't work. My boss, by the way, telecommutes. She hasn't a clue what the people under her and their staff are doing. Yet we implement lots of new stuff and cut costs without her. Life goes on and while she drives her new Navigator into her 28 gal./11 mpg sunset.
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#43
Originally posted by Frank Fontaine
Ummm...there's a reason why we don't tax groceries and do tax alcohol.
Ummm...there's a reason why we don't tax groceries and do tax alcohol.
I understand that this country is based on your freedom to anything you want as long as it's legal. So buying an SUV is the freedom of choice and I can't do anything about it. BUT I've got a great idea.
What about a SUV/truck tax? Why are people who buy luxury cars/exotics forced to pay a luxury/gas guzzler tax when Mrs. Yuppie Smith doesn't have to pay squat on her 6000lb Yukon XL that get 14mpg while carting her two children? Obviously if you can afford a 30K+ truck, you can afford to pay a $2000-3000 gas guzzler SUV/truck tax. The tax money could be used to develop new technologies for cleaner burning engines, new types of fuel, etc. People who own there own business, farmers, etc wouldn't have to pay the tax. With this tax, everyone would get what they want.
Dave
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Originally posted by Dave B
Actually in Kansas we get taxed on everything we buy including food.
I understand that this country is based on your freedom to anything you want as long as it's legal. So buying an SUV is the freedom of choice and I can't do anything about it. BUT I've got a great idea.
What about a SUV/truck tax? Why are people who buy luxury cars/exotics forced to pay a luxury/gas guzzler tax when Mrs. Yuppie Smith doesn't have to pay squat on her 6000lb Yukon XL that get 14mpg while carting her two children? Obviously if you can afford a 30K+ truck, you can afford to pay a $2000-3000 gas guzzler SUV/truck tax. The tax money could be used to develop new technologies for cleaner burning engines, new types of fuel, etc. People who own there own business, farmers, etc wouldn't have to pay the tax. With this tax, everyone would get what they want.
Dave
Actually in Kansas we get taxed on everything we buy including food.
I understand that this country is based on your freedom to anything you want as long as it's legal. So buying an SUV is the freedom of choice and I can't do anything about it. BUT I've got a great idea.
What about a SUV/truck tax? Why are people who buy luxury cars/exotics forced to pay a luxury/gas guzzler tax when Mrs. Yuppie Smith doesn't have to pay squat on her 6000lb Yukon XL that get 14mpg while carting her two children? Obviously if you can afford a 30K+ truck, you can afford to pay a $2000-3000 gas guzzler SUV/truck tax. The tax money could be used to develop new technologies for cleaner burning engines, new types of fuel, etc. People who own there own business, farmers, etc wouldn't have to pay the tax. With this tax, everyone would get what they want.
Dave
Because someone enjoys an automobile that you deam to be unnecessary, they should pay an outragous tax?? It's not governments job to try to control the way we live by over taxation. We live in a free democratic country. We don't live in a socialist society where government deams what is good and bad for us.
Sure your tax idea makes some sort of sense in a isolated manner. But you have to look at where this line of thinking comes from and where it is going.
It all started with the ani-smoking campaign.
A group of people don't like smoking. Not only do they not like smoking, but they don't like you smoking. So they tax the hell out of cigarettes and ban smoking in privately owned restaurants.
A group of people are concerned with obiesty. The think video games, TV, and internet use is the cause of peoples laziness. So they create a tax on all new TV's to try and discourage people from laying around and watching TV. It's called an entertainment tax.
A group of people don't like______ . They think it is bad for us. So they put a tax on_____. This will discourage people from______.
Taxing items that a group of people deam is excessive, unnecessay, yuppie and extravagent is not right.
How about the damn government stop streching it's tenticles into every avenue of our lives with there over taxation.
#45
I30tMikeD,
I understand your point, but no matter how you cut it, smoking tobacco is not good for you. People watching TV is subjective about making them lazy because not all people who watch TV are lazy. Smoking being detrimental to your health is very objective and all people who smoke, would be more healthy if they didn't. Air pollution follows these same basic rules. It is not very hard to see the difference between the two (TV and smoking) examples.
Besides, a new Excursion costs what? $50,000? Well if someone has $50K of expendable income to spend on transportation, then they can handle a gas guzzler/luxury tax as well. Why should they be allowed to pollute the air that WE ALL breathe just because they have more money?
I am generally very right wing, and though I think I understand what your saying, I don't agree with your statement at all.
I understand your point, but no matter how you cut it, smoking tobacco is not good for you. People watching TV is subjective about making them lazy because not all people who watch TV are lazy. Smoking being detrimental to your health is very objective and all people who smoke, would be more healthy if they didn't. Air pollution follows these same basic rules. It is not very hard to see the difference between the two (TV and smoking) examples.
Besides, a new Excursion costs what? $50,000? Well if someone has $50K of expendable income to spend on transportation, then they can handle a gas guzzler/luxury tax as well. Why should they be allowed to pollute the air that WE ALL breathe just because they have more money?
I am generally very right wing, and though I think I understand what your saying, I don't agree with your statement at all.
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#46
Originally posted by FASST LN
I30tMikeD,
I understand your point, but no matter how you cut it, smoking tobacco is not good for you. People watching TV is subjective about making them lazy because not all people who watch TV are lazy. Smoking being detrimental to your health is very objective and all people who smoke, would be more healthy if they didn't. Air pollution follows these same basic rules. It is not very hard to see the difference between the two (TV and smoking) examples.
Besides, a new Excursion costs what? $50,000? Well if someone has $50K of expendable income to spend on transportation, then they can handle a gas guzzler/luxury tax as well. Why should they be allowed to pollute the air that WE ALL breathe just because they have more money?
I am generally very right wing, and though I think I understand what your saying, I don't agree with your statement at all.
I30tMikeD,
I understand your point, but no matter how you cut it, smoking tobacco is not good for you. People watching TV is subjective about making them lazy because not all people who watch TV are lazy. Smoking being detrimental to your health is very objective and all people who smoke, would be more healthy if they didn't. Air pollution follows these same basic rules. It is not very hard to see the difference between the two (TV and smoking) examples.
Besides, a new Excursion costs what? $50,000? Well if someone has $50K of expendable income to spend on transportation, then they can handle a gas guzzler/luxury tax as well. Why should they be allowed to pollute the air that WE ALL breathe just because they have more money?
I am generally very right wing, and though I think I understand what your saying, I don't agree with your statement at all.
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$50 to fill (30 gallons) the truck this weekend. OUCH! I want my Maxima back on the road.
#47
Originally posted by FASST LN
I30tMikeD,
I understand your point, but no matter how you cut it, smoking tobacco is not good for you. People watching TV is subjective about making them lazy because not all people who watch TV are lazy. Smoking being detrimental to your health is very objective and all people who smoke, would be more healthy if they didn't. Air pollution follows these same basic rules. It is not very hard to see the difference between the two (TV and smoking) examples.
Besides, a new Excursion costs what? $50,000? Well if someone has $50K of expendable income to spend on transportation, then they can handle a gas guzzler/luxury tax as well. Why should they be allowed to pollute the air that WE ALL breathe just because they have more money?
I am generally very right wing, and though I think I understand what your saying, I don't agree with your statement at all.
I30tMikeD,
I understand your point, but no matter how you cut it, smoking tobacco is not good for you. People watching TV is subjective about making them lazy because not all people who watch TV are lazy. Smoking being detrimental to your health is very objective and all people who smoke, would be more healthy if they didn't. Air pollution follows these same basic rules. It is not very hard to see the difference between the two (TV and smoking) examples.
Besides, a new Excursion costs what? $50,000? Well if someone has $50K of expendable income to spend on transportation, then they can handle a gas guzzler/luxury tax as well. Why should they be allowed to pollute the air that WE ALL breathe just because they have more money?
I am generally very right wing, and though I think I understand what your saying, I don't agree with your statement at all.
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Originally posted by FASST LN
I30tMikeD,
I understand your point, but no matter how you cut it, smoking tobacco is not good for you. People watching TV is subjective about making them lazy because not all people who watch TV are lazy. Smoking being detrimental to your health is very objective and all people who smoke, would be more healthy if they didn't. Air pollution follows these same basic rules. It is not very hard to see the difference between the two (TV and smoking) examples.
Besides, a new Excursion costs what? $50,000? Well if someone has $50K of expendable income to spend on transportation, then they can handle a gas guzzler/luxury tax as well. Why should they be allowed to pollute the air that WE ALL breathe just because they have more money?
I am generally very right wing, and though I think I understand what your saying, I don't agree with your statement at all.
I30tMikeD,
I understand your point, but no matter how you cut it, smoking tobacco is not good for you. People watching TV is subjective about making them lazy because not all people who watch TV are lazy. Smoking being detrimental to your health is very objective and all people who smoke, would be more healthy if they didn't. Air pollution follows these same basic rules. It is not very hard to see the difference between the two (TV and smoking) examples.
Besides, a new Excursion costs what? $50,000? Well if someone has $50K of expendable income to spend on transportation, then they can handle a gas guzzler/luxury tax as well. Why should they be allowed to pollute the air that WE ALL breathe just because they have more money?
I am generally very right wing, and though I think I understand what your saying, I don't agree with your statement at all.
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I has nothing to do with smoking be bad for ones health.
And what would the government do with a luxury tax on SUV's?? Spend it on cleaning up the air pollution. Yea right. It would just get wastfully used on useless programs like all the rest of our money.
What struck a nerve with me was the idea of a new tax. Tha is the last thing we should do. Our government is a huge black hole of waste. You know they can't account for 10's of millions a dollars a year? Yep, just can't account for it. Gone, lost, nobody know'w where it's at. Lets stop giving them more money to waste.
#49
Originally posted by I30tMikeD
by reading your response you did not understand my point. The last thing we need is another tax. I do not like government using tax laws to try and dictate how I live.
I has nothing to do with smoking be bad for ones health.
And what would the government do with a luxury tax on SUV's?? Spend it on cleaning up the air pollution. Yea right. It would just get wastfully used on useless programs like all the rest of our money.
What struck a nerve with me was the idea of a new tax. Tha is the last thing we should do. Our government is a huge black hole of waste. You know they can't account for 10's of millions a dollars a year? Yep, just can't account for it. Gone, lost, nobody know'w where it's at. Lets stop giving them more money to waste.
by reading your response you did not understand my point. The last thing we need is another tax. I do not like government using tax laws to try and dictate how I live.
I has nothing to do with smoking be bad for ones health.
And what would the government do with a luxury tax on SUV's?? Spend it on cleaning up the air pollution. Yea right. It would just get wastfully used on useless programs like all the rest of our money.
What struck a nerve with me was the idea of a new tax. Tha is the last thing we should do. Our government is a huge black hole of waste. You know they can't account for 10's of millions a dollars a year? Yep, just can't account for it. Gone, lost, nobody know'w where it's at. Lets stop giving them more money to waste.
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