Is the GXE being an ultralight a myth?
03-10-2003, 09:11 AM
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Is the GXE being an ultralight a myth?
Everyday it seems like I read about how the 5 speed GXE is "substanially" lighter than the fully equipped 5 speed SE. Some swear the difference is along the lines of 150-180lbs. In my eyes this seems a bit unrealistic. Let's break down the differences and weight of the barebones 5 speed GXE vs the mostly/fully loaded 5 speed SE.
1) The 95-96 SE comes with ~3lb lighter rims than the steelies of the GXE. Advantage SE -3lbs.
2) Most SEs have moonroofs. The glass, frame, and motor probably weigh along the lines of 20lbs. Advantage GXE -20lbs.
3) Many SEs have leather. Let's get real, leather doesn't really weigh anymore than cloth. No advantage.
4) Many SEs have power seats. My power drivers seat weighs 7 lbs more than my non-power passenger seat. Advantage GXE -7-14lbs.
5) The Bose stereo includes 4 amps and 2 tweeters over the GXEs plain-jane 4 speaker setup. The Bose amps weighs about .3 lbs. Advantage GXE -2lbs.
6) The auto climate control is simply just a different HVAC unit. There isn't any weight difference. No advantage.
7) The suspensions between both models are the same except for different valving and some bushings. No advantage.
8) The power antenna weighs 1.5lbs. Advantage GXE -1.5lbs.
9) The ABS system includes a pump and some extra sensors. You're probably looking at 4-5lbs when you include the fluids. Advantage GXE -5lbs.
Everything else between these cars is the same. They have the reinforcements, same sound deadening, same metal, same drivetrains, etc. I'm seeing that a barebones GXE will weigh anywhere from 20-40lbs less than the SE depending on options.
My 5 speed 96 SE (Bose, leather, powerdrivers seat, moonroof) with me in it (185 lbs) along with 25lb in tools, spare/jack, half tank of gas, stock 15" rims and new tires (42lbs), y-pipe (-10lbs) and +20lb WSP subframe connectors weighed in a 3250lbs. Subtract me from the equation and I'm looking 3065lbs. Race weight with tools, spare/jack, and 1/4 less of gas would be around 2980-2990lbs. The DMV lists my car's weight (GXE model) at 3005lbs.
Dave
1) The 95-96 SE comes with ~3lb lighter rims than the steelies of the GXE. Advantage SE -3lbs.
2) Most SEs have moonroofs. The glass, frame, and motor probably weigh along the lines of 20lbs. Advantage GXE -20lbs.
3) Many SEs have leather. Let's get real, leather doesn't really weigh anymore than cloth. No advantage.
4) Many SEs have power seats. My power drivers seat weighs 7 lbs more than my non-power passenger seat. Advantage GXE -7-14lbs.
5) The Bose stereo includes 4 amps and 2 tweeters over the GXEs plain-jane 4 speaker setup. The Bose amps weighs about .3 lbs. Advantage GXE -2lbs.
6) The auto climate control is simply just a different HVAC unit. There isn't any weight difference. No advantage.
7) The suspensions between both models are the same except for different valving and some bushings. No advantage.
8) The power antenna weighs 1.5lbs. Advantage GXE -1.5lbs.
9) The ABS system includes a pump and some extra sensors. You're probably looking at 4-5lbs when you include the fluids. Advantage GXE -5lbs.
Everything else between these cars is the same. They have the reinforcements, same sound deadening, same metal, same drivetrains, etc. I'm seeing that a barebones GXE will weigh anywhere from 20-40lbs less than the SE depending on options.
My 5 speed 96 SE (Bose, leather, powerdrivers seat, moonroof) with me in it (185 lbs) along with 25lb in tools, spare/jack, half tank of gas, stock 15" rims and new tires (42lbs), y-pipe (-10lbs) and +20lb WSP subframe connectors weighed in a 3250lbs. Subtract me from the equation and I'm looking 3065lbs. Race weight with tools, spare/jack, and 1/4 less of gas would be around 2980-2990lbs. The DMV lists my car's weight (GXE model) at 3005lbs.
Dave
03-10-2003, 10:33 AM
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i weighed my 96 SE 5-speed a couple months ago. with 1/4 tank of gas, everything in tact (spare, jack...) and me out of it (150lbs) it weighed in at 2950. that is also with the following options, dual powered leather, non-abs, sunroof, 17's, Y-pipe.
--Paul
--Paul
03-10-2003, 11:06 AM
#4
All GXE's have power antennas also - it's standard on all Maximas.
My GXE has a moonroof and power seat - so even moreso proving your point.
Haven't weighed her yet tho.
IanS
My GXE has a moonroof and power seat - so even moreso proving your point.
Haven't weighed her yet tho.
IanS
03-10-2003, 11:12 AM
#6
Originally posted by iansw
All GXE's have power antennas also - it's standard on all Maximas.
All GXE's have power antennas also - it's standard on all Maximas.
I gotta agree with Dave. There shouldn't be more than 50lbs between the two. Sprint, did anyone with an SE measure on the same scale? If it wasn't anything offical, they could easily be well off.
03-10-2003, 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by ejj
False.
I gotta agree with Dave. There shouldn't be more than 50lbs between the two. Sprint, did anyone with an SE measure on the same scale? If it wasn't anything offical, they could easily be well off.
False.
I gotta agree with Dave. There shouldn't be more than 50lbs between the two. Sprint, did anyone with an SE measure on the same scale? If it wasn't anything offical, they could easily be well off.
03-10-2003, 11:34 AM
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I am wondering where this thread is headed? Isn't there a guy who just ran low 13s in a fully equipped and modded Max? Or did my right eye became a lazy one again? If the guy done something that no one couldn't do in a lightened Max, some of us should try his idea or.....
you trying to find out if you can get lower quarter mile times in a lighter, fully modded car, like his?
you trying to find out if you can get lower quarter mile times in a lighter, fully modded car, like his?
03-10-2003, 11:42 AM
#17
Originally posted by nismo2020
95-96 gxes' had power anttenas
97-99 with base model radio no power
95-96 gxes' had power anttenas
97-99 with base model radio no power
Anyway, I'll stop PW'ing and let the weight discussion continue.
03-10-2003, 12:07 PM
#19
Originally posted by iansw
The reason I was wondering is that I have a 97 GXE and it only came with the cruddy tape deck, but still has a powered antenna.
Anyway, I'll stop PW'ing and let the weight discussion continue.
The reason I was wondering is that I have a 97 GXE and it only came with the cruddy tape deck, but still has a powered antenna.
Anyway, I'll stop PW'ing and let the weight discussion continue.
03-10-2003, 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by Nealoc187
My car is 2905 with me in it in race trim. I'll define race trim when I get back from class but for now I have to go
My car is 2905 with me in it in race trim. I'll define race trim when I get back from class but for now I have to go
You've got a CF hood, super light rims and tires, no seats, plus you're a light guy anyways (~160lbs, correct?). Put your stock hood back on (30lbs), the stock weight rims (35+lbs), seats (50lbs), spare/jack (25lbs), you're GXE is weighing nearly 2900lbs (without you in it). Add a full tank of gas and your GXE is pushing 3000lbs which is what Nissan lists the wet weight of GXE 5 speed (3005lbs). And like Ejj said, I'm curious to know what the SE were weighing in when Sprint weighed his GXE. If it was a track scale, remember that these scales are rarely certified or calibrated. Go to a certified truck scale to get a more accurate reading. Keep in mind truck scales typically weigh 2-3% more that "actual" weight because most certified scales will pay the trucker's fine if they are overweight and the scale said they were under.
Dave
03-10-2003, 12:24 PM
#21
Originally posted by ejj
Sprint, did anyone with an SE measure on the same scale? If it wasn't anything offical, they could easily be well off.
Sprint, did anyone with an SE measure on the same scale? If it wasn't anything offical, they could easily be well off.
03-10-2003, 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by Dave B
You don't count You've got a CF hood, super light rims and tires, no seats, plus you're a light guy anyways (~160lbs, correct?). Put your stock hood back on (30lbs), the stock weight rims (35+lbs), seats (50lbs), spare/jack (25lbs), you're GXE is weighing nearly 2900lbs (without you in it). Add a full tank of gas and your GXE is pushing 3000lbs which is what Nissan lists the wet weight of GXE 5 speed (3005lbs).
And like Ejj said, I'm curious to know what the SE were weighing in when Sprint weighed his GXE. If it was a track scale, remember that these scales are rarely certified or calibrated. Go to a certified truck scale to get a more accurate reading. Keep in mind truck scales typically weigh 2-3% more that "actual" weight because most certified scales will pay the trucker's fine if they are overweight and the scale said they were under.
Dave
You don't count
You've got a CF hood, super light rims and tires, no seats, plus you're a light guy anyways (~160lbs, correct?). Put your stock hood back on (30lbs), the stock weight rims (35+lbs), seats (50lbs), spare/jack (25lbs), you're GXE is weighing nearly 2900lbs (without you in it). Add a full tank of gas and your GXE is pushing 3000lbs which is what Nissan lists the wet weight of GXE 5 speed (3005lbs). And like Ejj said, I'm curious to know what the SE were weighing in when Sprint weighed his GXE. If it was a track scale, remember that these scales are rarely certified or calibrated. Go to a certified truck scale to get a more accurate reading. Keep in mind truck scales typically weigh 2-3% more that "actual" weight because most certified scales will pay the trucker's fine if they are overweight and the scale said they were under.
Dave
03-10-2003, 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
aside from all that stuff you just typed..
my car weighs 2830 lbs.. what does yours weigh?
aside from all that stuff you just typed..
my car weighs 2830 lbs.. what does yours weigh?
and WITH drivers my civic weighs more...
DOH!
03-10-2003, 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
aside from all that stuff you just typed..
my car weighs 2830 lbs.. what does yours weigh?
aside from all that stuff you just typed..
my car weighs 2830 lbs.. what does yours weigh?
People that start removing sound-deadening material, spare tire, sunroof, seats to save weight are a bit kooky if you ask me.
03-10-2003, 05:43 PM
#28
Originally posted by iansw
What years are you speaking of?
I have a 97 GXE, as does several other guys in the NW - they don't have the C&C package either.
Interesting.......
What years are you speaking of?
I have a 97 GXE, as does several other guys in the NW - they don't have the C&C package either.
Interesting.......
03-10-2003, 09:31 PM
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maybe when they published the weights they took a bone stocker GXE(5spd) and then weighed a fully loaded or nicely loaded(Auto) SE. I think the SE and GLE are almost the same weight so maybe the tranny can account for the larger gap.
btw i have a bone stock 96 and it had a power antenna
btw i have a bone stock 96 and it had a power antenna
03-10-2003, 10:04 PM
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All SE comes with a spolier. I don't think I ever seen one without it from the factory.
Originally posted by NickStam
also, gxe's do not come with spoilers, while most SE's do (if not all i think)
also, gxe's do not come with spoilers, while most SE's do (if not all i think)
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