Talk about the war in this thread only...
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Originally posted by Street Reeper
They have made historical progress showing that they are the best in the world and are true American hero's!!!!!
!!!!!Come home safely guys!!!!
They have made historical progress showing that they are the best in the world and are true American hero's!!!!!
!!!!!Come home safely guys!!!!
"Being a dad myself, that's the hardest part," said Sergeant Cassady, who manned a .50-caliber machine gun on the roof of an armored command vehicle. "I've got six kids at home, and I can't imagine it. I'd just as soon die than see that happen to my kids.
"Just to drive by and be helpless — man," he said. "It makes you feel selfish."
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Your point? yeah that really sucks. But it's no different than any other war. Are you trying to make the point that all war is wrong?
Originally posted by rgould
A family in a car stopped on Highway 8's median, evidently hoping to endure the sudden eruption of fighting they had driven into. A large truck, mounted with an antiaircraft gun, hurtled toward the column and was shot. It careered onto the median and struck the car, bursting into flames. As the American column passed, a man, a woman and three children — the youngest an infant — struggled with their injuries and burns. The man, presumably the father, was on his back. One child's fingers were virtually severed.
"Being a dad myself, that's the hardest part," said Sergeant Cassady, who manned a .50-caliber machine gun on the roof of an armored command vehicle. "I've got six kids at home, and I can't imagine it. I'd just as soon die than see that happen to my kids.
"Just to drive by and be helpless — man," he said. "It makes you feel selfish."
A family in a car stopped on Highway 8's median, evidently hoping to endure the sudden eruption of fighting they had driven into. A large truck, mounted with an antiaircraft gun, hurtled toward the column and was shot. It careered onto the median and struck the car, bursting into flames. As the American column passed, a man, a woman and three children — the youngest an infant — struggled with their injuries and burns. The man, presumably the father, was on his back. One child's fingers were virtually severed.
"Being a dad myself, that's the hardest part," said Sergeant Cassady, who manned a .50-caliber machine gun on the roof of an armored command vehicle. "I've got six kids at home, and I can't imagine it. I'd just as soon die than see that happen to my kids.
"Just to drive by and be helpless — man," he said. "It makes you feel selfish."
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dont worry i am on your side , i just wanted express my joy that we owened iraquis(in fact many of them).
Originally posted by Chinkzilla
Your point? yeah that really sucks. But it's no different than any other war. Are you trying to make the point that all war is wrong?
Your point? yeah that really sucks. But it's no different than any other war. Are you trying to make the point that all war is wrong?
That sucks - but what was the guy doing with his family driving towards an invading US Army?
Not to be mean, but what was he thinking driving around in a war zone!?
Just wrong place, wrong time, I suppose......that sucks.
Not to be mean, but what was he thinking driving around in a war zone!?
Just wrong place, wrong time, I suppose......that sucks.
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Originally posted by rgould
dont worry i am on your side , i just wanted express my joy that we owened iraquis(in fact many of them).
dont worry i am on your side , i just wanted express my joy that we owened iraquis(in fact many of them).
As many people know a lot of the Iraqi soldiers are fighting because their families are under threat, so a lot of them do not want to be there. It is true that I would rather an American soldier defend himself with force against an enemy even if that enemy was fighting because his family was under threat, but I just think the whole situation is sad, but very neccasary. So I think, and at least hope that no one shares your sentiment that killing anyone is a good thing, only that sometimes it is neccasary.
I hope Saddam is dragged and humiliated through the streets of Baghdad before he is sent to judgement. He is an awful man that has done unspeakable things to people, this is especially enforced by the large bunker full of disgaurded body parts of Iraqi civilians that was found a couple of days ago, and the countless horror stories of men being shredded, and the toturing of children to extract information from their parents. I praise this President for putting his political career on the sidelines to do what is right, and I further praise the American soldier who I support and am so thankfull for because they ridding the world of not just a dictator who oppresses his people but of somthing that is pure evil.
God Bless America!!!
Originally posted by Street Reeper
I was going to stop talking about war and hopefully this will be my last post, justed wanted to say one thing. I support President Bush's decision to up hold international law with force after diplomacy has failed, however that does not make me a warmonger, and I hate the fact that American lives are being lost, and surprising to some I hate that Iraqi soldiers lives are being lost too.
As many people know a lot of the Iraqi soldiers are fighting because their families are under threat, so a lot of them do not want to be there. It is true that I would rather an American soldier defend himself with force against an enemy even if that enemy was fighting because his family was under threat, but I just think the whole situation is sad, but very neccasary. So I think, and at least hope that no one shares your sentiment that killing anyone is a good thing, only that sometimes it is neccasary.
I hope Saddam is dragged and humiliated through the streets of Baghdad before he is sent to judgement. He is an awful man that has done unspeakable things to people, this is especially enforced by the large bunker full of disgaurded body parts of Iraqi civilians that was found a couple of days ago, and the countless horror stories of men being shredded, and the toturing of children to extract information from their parents. I praise this President for putting his political career on the sidelines to do what is right, and I further praise the American soldier who I support and am so thankfull for because they ridding the world of not just a dictator who oppresses his people but of somthing that is pure evil.
God Bless America!!!
I was going to stop talking about war and hopefully this will be my last post, justed wanted to say one thing. I support President Bush's decision to up hold international law with force after diplomacy has failed, however that does not make me a warmonger, and I hate the fact that American lives are being lost, and surprising to some I hate that Iraqi soldiers lives are being lost too.
As many people know a lot of the Iraqi soldiers are fighting because their families are under threat, so a lot of them do not want to be there. It is true that I would rather an American soldier defend himself with force against an enemy even if that enemy was fighting because his family was under threat, but I just think the whole situation is sad, but very neccasary. So I think, and at least hope that no one shares your sentiment that killing anyone is a good thing, only that sometimes it is neccasary.
I hope Saddam is dragged and humiliated through the streets of Baghdad before he is sent to judgement. He is an awful man that has done unspeakable things to people, this is especially enforced by the large bunker full of disgaurded body parts of Iraqi civilians that was found a couple of days ago, and the countless horror stories of men being shredded, and the toturing of children to extract information from their parents. I praise this President for putting his political career on the sidelines to do what is right, and I further praise the American soldier who I support and am so thankfull for because they ridding the world of not just a dictator who oppresses his people but of somthing that is pure evil.
God Bless America!!!
And they found barrels of what looks to be (not official yet) Sarin and Mustard gas.....
With french writing on the barrels....(probably just re-used barrels, but funny nonetheless)
With french writing on the barrels....(probably just re-used barrels, but funny nonetheless)
Originally posted by vsidesupratt1
Hope you didn't forget the crates of human body parts that they found.
Hopefull Sadam was killed in the bombing.
Hope you didn't forget the crates of human body parts that they found.
Hopefull Sadam was killed in the bombing.
From what I heard, it turned out those were remains left over from the Iran/Iraq war....and not part of the current conflict or part of any torturing or executions.
Originally posted by MaxWolf
http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?0cv=CA01
http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?0cv=CA01
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Originally posted by arlan
looks worse than Nanjing after japanese massacre, pretty sick destruction.
looks worse than Nanjing after japanese massacre, pretty sick destruction.
Originally posted by H.N.I.C.95
The war is pointless and BUSH is a ***got for putting other people lives in danger for his on personal reason. HE needs to strap up and go over their a fight better yet he should come to my crib and fight me.
The war is pointless and BUSH is a ***got for putting other people lives in danger for his on personal reason. HE needs to strap up and go over their a fight better yet he should come to my crib and fight me.
3 out of 4 Americans are obviously smarter than you.
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Originally posted by H.N.I.C.95
If you really believe that stat you might want to kill yourself
If you really believe that stat you might want to kill yourself
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Originally posted by iansw
3 out of 4 Americans are obviously smarter than you.
3 out of 4 Americans are obviously smarter than you.
Originally posted by H.N.I.C.95
If you really believe that stat you might want to kill yourself
If you really believe that stat you might want to kill yourself
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Originally posted by vsidesupratt1
The majority of America shows support for Bush. http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/...oll/index.html
The majority of America shows support for Bush. http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/...oll/index.html
70% of Americans ... I don't know why people keep on throwing that statistic. Have you (generally speaking ... not you) spoken to an ordinary schmoe off the street? And I'm not talking about talking to someone off the street that's walking around Wall Street, I'm talking about talking to someone in a not so friendly part of town or even just at the local bar. Ordinary people.
Most people just regurgitate what the media tells them. We're a society that turns in to watch women throw themselves at a man who they believe has millions of dollars and looks good. And we watch people shove cow brains down their throat for money. Seriously ... to rename french fries to freedom fries and to pour french wine down the sink in order to protest and "boycott" France? Might as well yell at the TV when a French person comes on and go, "Nyah, nyah, nyah, I'm rubber and you're glue, anything you say to me bounces back and gets stuck on you!"
There was a news story here in New York about a man who was fed up with protestors so he made up a huge sign telling the protestors to shut up. And people were coming up and signing their names on the sign as if saying, "That's right, if you're against the war, you're anti-government, you're a Taliban and in cohoots with Saddam!" So many of those supporting the war get upset at those who are against the war. Why? Isn't one reason we are over there is to "protect our way of life"? And to give the Iraqis "the basic freedoms that we enjoy"? Free speech (in an orderly and non-disruptive nature) is one of our rights. To put down those protesting the war is to put down one so called reasons we are over in Iraq.
It's this blind obedience to the government, especially after 9-11 that is what I believe the polls are reflecting.
I've listened in on what some of the supporters of the war have been saying when I get my coffee in the morning. These people that are talking aren't exactly Harvard educated, which isn't to say their opinions don't matter, because let's face it ... the majority of the country does not have a Harvard level education. I hear reasons that are so stupid that it boggles the mind. And on top of that, it's those reasons that they are so gung-ho about this war!
I don't remember most of their talks, because I just block it out most of the time. But many of the good points that were brought up in this thread: failed diplomacy, discussions about whether there is a "smoking gun" or not, the history and build-up to this conflict - none of those ever came up. Most people are just spitting back out what is told to them: "Saddam is a bad bad man!" "We have to protect our way of life!" "We're doing this so there won't be another September 11th." "We're giving Iraq back to the Iraqis!"
I buy the 70% of Americans support the war ... I just don't buy into the fact that they know why we're in the war.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by clee130
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I've kept mostly out of any war threads, but this keeps on popping up and I'm just really annoyed by it.
70% of Americans ... I don't know why people keep on throwing that statistic. Have you (generally speaking ... not you) spoken to an ordinary schmoe off the street? And I'm not talking about talking to someone off the street that's walking around Wall Street, I'm talking about talking to someone in a not so friendly part of town or even just at the local bar. Ordinary people.
Agreed, from what I have seen from hospital patients and staff, students and staff at a university and Maxima.Org the statistic seems that they should be more like 1 in 9
Most people just regurgitate what the media tells them. We're a society that turns in to watch women throw themselves at a man who they believe has millions of dollars and looks good. And we watch people shove cow brains down their throat for money. Seriously ... to rename french fries to freedom fries and to pour french wine down the sink in order to protest and "boycott" France? Might as well yell at the TV when a French person comes on and go, "Nyah, nyah, nyah, I'm rubber and you're glue, anything you say to me bounces back and gets stuck on you!"
I totally agree about the reality TV and have never watched a full show of it, however I do boycott the French because the US liberated their country and lost lives doing it. Now when we are under terrorist threat and feel the need to protect ourselves their actions are despicable. They have the right to their opinion to not support the US (which is frustrating but acceptable) but they were not doing that, they were actively going against the US by vetoing any resolution that would make Saddam comply, they did this before Iraq even saw it.
There was a news story here in New York about a man who was fed up with protestors so he made up a huge sign telling the protestors to shut up. And people were coming up and signing their names on the sign as if saying, "That's right, if you're against the war, you're anti-government, you're a Taliban and in cohoots with Saddam!" So many of those supporting the war get upset at those who are against the war. Why? Isn't one reason we are over there is to "protect our way of life"? And to give the Iraqis "the basic freedoms that we enjoy"? Free speech (in an orderly and non-disruptive nature) is one of our rights. To put down those protesting the war is to put down one so called reasons we are over in Iraq.
Here I agree with the man who made the sign. Once the war has started write your congressman about your objections or vote for someone else who shares your opinion (you have a say), don't go out and block traffic to protest. For one there were incidents where ambulances were unable to get to people they needed to; our country is under threat (high terror alert) police do not need to leave posts at the airport and other hot spots to keep the peace at protests, and for another we have men and women risking their lives. Protestors need to think about their actions, does it not seem reasonable that the protests would fuel the enemy and that the Iraqi military would use video footage of a protest and show it to American POW's and say "see even your own country thinks that you should not be here." That said protests by Americans, while American men and women are in harms way make Saddam confident that he is right.
It's this blind obedience to the government, especially after 9-11 that is what I believe the polls are reflecting.
I've listened in on what some of the supporters of the war have been saying when I get my coffee in the morning. These people that are talking aren't exactly Harvard educated, which isn't to say their opinions don't matter, because let's face it ... the majority of the country does not have a Harvard level education. I hear reasons that are so stupid that it boggles the mind. And on top of that, it's those reasons that they are so gung-ho about this war!
Agreed, the media will usually put things into context so that it fits their agenda. That is why I have never gotten my information from a media source but instead sit in and listen to the senate hearings. These consited of the Arms Commitee's interviews of former UN nuclear chief inspector Dr. David Kay (was an inspector at the time that Saddams son in law exposed Iraq's WMD program) UN bilogical chief inspector Dr. Speitzel (same time frame) and others like Kahdir Hamza (defector of Iraq who led Saddams nuclear program because his family was under threat.) These senate hearings were unbiased with very tough questions from both liberals and conservatives (for action and opposed to action) all questions were answered, I can see why many in the Senate changed their mind about whether a war might be need to be an option after those hearings. I doubt that anyone who walks in protest watched those hearings, and I doubt that anyone giving their opinion on TV has watched those hearing, I understand that they are boring but I believe you should get an unbiased prospective of a subject before you comment on it no matter what your stance is.
I don't remember most of their talks, because I just block it out most of the time. But many of the good points that were brought up in this thread: failed diplomacy, discussions about whether there is a "smoking gun" or not, the history and build-up to this conflict - none of those ever came up. Most people are just spitting back out what is told to them: "Saddam is a bad bad man!" "We have to protect our way of life!" "We're doing this so there won't be another September 11th." "We're giving Iraq back to the Iraqis!"
I totally agree with you here, I wish that I could jump in the TV and slap some of these people upside the head (both for and against), there are basic points that can be brought up that can confirm or denounce their reasoning
I buy the 70% of Americans support the war ... I just don't buy into the fact that they know why we're in the war.
I think there are many reasons why we are in this war and some just cling to one with little thought of the others: Enforcing UN law to keep past and future laws legitimate, to seek out terror where ever it hides, to eliminate a very dangerous man from having weapons that would make the Trade Center Attacks seem insignificant (which would cause global destabilization, think about the world economy if New York were not here tommorrow), free people who have been tortured and oppressed (this I think people cling to too much, but many think that if President Bush would have focused on this approach as a cause for war that world opinion would have been better), and to try somthing new in the middle east because whats happening now is not working
Stepping down from my and crawling back behind the now.
No need to crawl behind the wall, I share much of your frustration and feel helpless to do anything about it, that is why this thread is so helpfull
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I've kept mostly out of any war threads, but this keeps on popping up and I'm just really annoyed by it.
70% of Americans ... I don't know why people keep on throwing that statistic. Have you (generally speaking ... not you) spoken to an ordinary schmoe off the street? And I'm not talking about talking to someone off the street that's walking around Wall Street, I'm talking about talking to someone in a not so friendly part of town or even just at the local bar. Ordinary people.
Agreed, from what I have seen from hospital patients and staff, students and staff at a university and Maxima.Org the statistic seems that they should be more like 1 in 9
Most people just regurgitate what the media tells them. We're a society that turns in to watch women throw themselves at a man who they believe has millions of dollars and looks good. And we watch people shove cow brains down their throat for money. Seriously ... to rename french fries to freedom fries and to pour french wine down the sink in order to protest and "boycott" France? Might as well yell at the TV when a French person comes on and go, "Nyah, nyah, nyah, I'm rubber and you're glue, anything you say to me bounces back and gets stuck on you!"
I totally agree about the reality TV and have never watched a full show of it, however I do boycott the French because the US liberated their country and lost lives doing it. Now when we are under terrorist threat and feel the need to protect ourselves their actions are despicable. They have the right to their opinion to not support the US (which is frustrating but acceptable) but they were not doing that, they were actively going against the US by vetoing any resolution that would make Saddam comply, they did this before Iraq even saw it.
There was a news story here in New York about a man who was fed up with protestors so he made up a huge sign telling the protestors to shut up. And people were coming up and signing their names on the sign as if saying, "That's right, if you're against the war, you're anti-government, you're a Taliban and in cohoots with Saddam!" So many of those supporting the war get upset at those who are against the war. Why? Isn't one reason we are over there is to "protect our way of life"? And to give the Iraqis "the basic freedoms that we enjoy"? Free speech (in an orderly and non-disruptive nature) is one of our rights. To put down those protesting the war is to put down one so called reasons we are over in Iraq.
Here I agree with the man who made the sign. Once the war has started write your congressman about your objections or vote for someone else who shares your opinion (you have a say), don't go out and block traffic to protest. For one there were incidents where ambulances were unable to get to people they needed to; our country is under threat (high terror alert) police do not need to leave posts at the airport and other hot spots to keep the peace at protests, and for another we have men and women risking their lives. Protestors need to think about their actions, does it not seem reasonable that the protests would fuel the enemy and that the Iraqi military would use video footage of a protest and show it to American POW's and say "see even your own country thinks that you should not be here." That said protests by Americans, while American men and women are in harms way make Saddam confident that he is right.
It's this blind obedience to the government, especially after 9-11 that is what I believe the polls are reflecting.
I've listened in on what some of the supporters of the war have been saying when I get my coffee in the morning. These people that are talking aren't exactly Harvard educated, which isn't to say their opinions don't matter, because let's face it ... the majority of the country does not have a Harvard level education. I hear reasons that are so stupid that it boggles the mind. And on top of that, it's those reasons that they are so gung-ho about this war!
Agreed, the media will usually put things into context so that it fits their agenda. That is why I have never gotten my information from a media source but instead sit in and listen to the senate hearings. These consited of the Arms Commitee's interviews of former UN nuclear chief inspector Dr. David Kay (was an inspector at the time that Saddams son in law exposed Iraq's WMD program) UN bilogical chief inspector Dr. Speitzel (same time frame) and others like Kahdir Hamza (defector of Iraq who led Saddams nuclear program because his family was under threat.) These senate hearings were unbiased with very tough questions from both liberals and conservatives (for action and opposed to action) all questions were answered, I can see why many in the Senate changed their mind about whether a war might be need to be an option after those hearings. I doubt that anyone who walks in protest watched those hearings, and I doubt that anyone giving their opinion on TV has watched those hearing, I understand that they are boring but I believe you should get an unbiased prospective of a subject before you comment on it no matter what your stance is.
I don't remember most of their talks, because I just block it out most of the time. But many of the good points that were brought up in this thread: failed diplomacy, discussions about whether there is a "smoking gun" or not, the history and build-up to this conflict - none of those ever came up. Most people are just spitting back out what is told to them: "Saddam is a bad bad man!" "We have to protect our way of life!" "We're doing this so there won't be another September 11th." "We're giving Iraq back to the Iraqis!"
I totally agree with you here, I wish that I could jump in the TV and slap some of these people upside the head (both for and against), there are basic points that can be brought up that can confirm or denounce their reasoning
I buy the 70% of Americans support the war ... I just don't buy into the fact that they know why we're in the war.
I think there are many reasons why we are in this war and some just cling to one with little thought of the others: Enforcing UN law to keep past and future laws legitimate, to seek out terror where ever it hides, to eliminate a very dangerous man from having weapons that would make the Trade Center Attacks seem insignificant (which would cause global destabilization, think about the world economy if New York were not here tommorrow), free people who have been tortured and oppressed (this I think people cling to too much, but many think that if President Bush would have focused on this approach as a cause for war that world opinion would have been better), and to try somthing new in the middle east because whats happening now is not working
Stepping down from my
and crawling back behind the now.No need to crawl behind the wall, I share much of your frustration and feel helpless to do anything about it, that is why this thread is so helpfull
Originally posted by clee130
I've kept mostly out of any war threads, but this keeps on popping up and I'm just really annoyed by it.
70% of Americans ... I don't know why people keep on throwing that statistic. Have you (generally speaking ... not you) spoken to an ordinary schmoe off the street? And I'm not talking about talking to someone off the street that's walking around Wall Street, I'm talking about talking to someone in a not so friendly part of town or even just at the local bar. Ordinary people.
Most people just regurgitate what the media tells them. We're a society that turns in to watch women throw themselves at a man who they believe has millions of dollars and looks good. And we watch people shove cow brains down their throat for money. Seriously ... to rename french fries to freedom fries and to pour french wine down the sink in order to protest and "boycott" France? Might as well yell at the TV when a French person comes on and go, "Nyah, nyah, nyah, I'm rubber and you're glue, anything you say to me bounces back and gets stuck on you!"
There was a news story here in New York about a man who was fed up with protestors so he made up a huge sign telling the protestors to shut up. And people were coming up and signing their names on the sign as if saying, "That's right, if you're against the war, you're anti-government, you're a Taliban and in cohoots with Saddam!" So many of those supporting the war get upset at those who are against the war. Why? Isn't one reason we are over there is to "protect our way of life"? And to give the Iraqis "the basic freedoms that we enjoy"? Free speech (in an orderly and non-disruptive nature) is one of our rights. To put down those protesting the war is to put down one so called reasons we are over in Iraq.
It's this blind obedience to the government, especially after 9-11 that is what I believe the polls are reflecting.
I've listened in on what some of the supporters of the war have been saying when I get my coffee in the morning. These people that are talking aren't exactly Harvard educated, which isn't to say their opinions don't matter, because let's face it ... the majority of the country does not have a Harvard level education. I hear reasons that are so stupid that it boggles the mind. And on top of that, it's those reasons that they are so gung-ho about this war!
I don't remember most of their talks, because I just block it out most of the time. But many of the good points that were brought up in this thread: failed diplomacy, discussions about whether there is a "smoking gun" or not, the history and build-up to this conflict - none of those ever came up. Most people are just spitting back out what is told to them: "Saddam is a bad bad man!" "We have to protect our way of life!" "We're doing this so there won't be another September 11th." "We're giving Iraq back to the Iraqis!"
I buy the 70% of Americans support the war ... I just don't buy into the fact that they know why we're in the war.
Stepping down from my and crawling back behind the now.
I've kept mostly out of any war threads, but this keeps on popping up and I'm just really annoyed by it.
70% of Americans ... I don't know why people keep on throwing that statistic. Have you (generally speaking ... not you) spoken to an ordinary schmoe off the street? And I'm not talking about talking to someone off the street that's walking around Wall Street, I'm talking about talking to someone in a not so friendly part of town or even just at the local bar. Ordinary people.
Most people just regurgitate what the media tells them. We're a society that turns in to watch women throw themselves at a man who they believe has millions of dollars and looks good. And we watch people shove cow brains down their throat for money. Seriously ... to rename french fries to freedom fries and to pour french wine down the sink in order to protest and "boycott" France? Might as well yell at the TV when a French person comes on and go, "Nyah, nyah, nyah, I'm rubber and you're glue, anything you say to me bounces back and gets stuck on you!"
There was a news story here in New York about a man who was fed up with protestors so he made up a huge sign telling the protestors to shut up. And people were coming up and signing their names on the sign as if saying, "That's right, if you're against the war, you're anti-government, you're a Taliban and in cohoots with Saddam!" So many of those supporting the war get upset at those who are against the war. Why? Isn't one reason we are over there is to "protect our way of life"? And to give the Iraqis "the basic freedoms that we enjoy"? Free speech (in an orderly and non-disruptive nature) is one of our rights. To put down those protesting the war is to put down one so called reasons we are over in Iraq.
It's this blind obedience to the government, especially after 9-11 that is what I believe the polls are reflecting.
I've listened in on what some of the supporters of the war have been saying when I get my coffee in the morning. These people that are talking aren't exactly Harvard educated, which isn't to say their opinions don't matter, because let's face it ... the majority of the country does not have a Harvard level education. I hear reasons that are so stupid that it boggles the mind. And on top of that, it's those reasons that they are so gung-ho about this war!
I don't remember most of their talks, because I just block it out most of the time. But many of the good points that were brought up in this thread: failed diplomacy, discussions about whether there is a "smoking gun" or not, the history and build-up to this conflict - none of those ever came up. Most people are just spitting back out what is told to them: "Saddam is a bad bad man!" "We have to protect our way of life!" "We're doing this so there won't be another September 11th." "We're giving Iraq back to the Iraqis!"
I buy the 70% of Americans support the war ... I just don't buy into the fact that they know why we're in the war.
Stepping down from my
and crawling back behind the now.
One side is obsessed with the moronic "with us or against us" ignorant approach...
And the other side makes claims for peace that aren't worldy reasonable.
Generally speaking, it's war.. always a lose-lose situation until all the shiznit hits the fan and everyone is aware of what really went down and what really led to the war. We've gotta face it.. even many of the Harvard level Americans are so totally unaware of why we're really in Iraq, unless those individuals are involved in some form of government where they are allowed access to confidential info.
I personally support our troops whenever and wherever they are dispatched.. but I think this war could've been avoided and that's obvious with how we completely stomped the supposed villain of the planet in not even a month. Regardless, I live in hopes that someday the American public will be able to see that there was logic in launching this war as soon as it was done, not for the sake of the current White House Administration but for the sake of confidence in our governmental institutions in times to come.
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i just ran across this 3/27/03 interview of former weapons inspector Scott Ritter by the Foreign Policy Association: http://www.fpa.org/topics_info2414/t...?doc_id=159230 .I sure hope peace does come out off all this.
Originally posted by quansung 2
i just ran across this 3/27/03 interview of former weapons inspector Scott Ritter by the Foreign Policy Association: http://www.fpa.org/topics_info2414/t...?doc_id=159230 .I sure hope peace does come out off all this.
i just ran across this 3/27/03 interview of former weapons inspector Scott Ritter by the Foreign Policy Association: http://www.fpa.org/topics_info2414/t...?doc_id=159230 .I sure hope peace does come out off all this.
Even Hans Blix admitted that inspections were not working, and that while he wishes we waited a little while longer, he doesn't think they would have ever worked.
Anyway, I just don't really trust that guy...But that's me, and my opinion....
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Originally quoted by rgould
i bet my left foot he cant walk straight, i mean so many people on org owned him.
i bet my left foot he cant walk straight, i mean so many people on org owned him.
Originally posted by vsidesupratt1
We don't need people like this that keep making these dumba$$ comments all the time. People are trying to express their opinions and what they think is right.
We don't need people like this that keep making these dumba$$ comments all the time. People are trying to express their opinions and what they think is right.
IanS
Originally posted by vsidesupratt1
We don't need people like this that keep making these dumba$$ comments all the time. People are trying to express their opinions and what they think is right.
We don't need people like this that keep making these dumba$$ comments all the time. People are trying to express their opinions and what they think is right.
Originally posted by iansw
OK - You are obviously an idiot.
You don't even know what's going on in the world, much less know enough to form an opinion.
I refrained from saying it before because it's not constructive to the argument.
I will not reply to any more of you idiocy, no matter how hard you try to jab some sort of pain point in there to get a rise out of me.
OK - You are obviously an idiot.
You don't even know what's going on in the world, much less know enough to form an opinion. I refrained from saying it before because it's not constructive to the argument.
I will not reply to any more of you idiocy,
no matter how hard you try to jab some sort of pain point in there to get a rise out of me.
Originally posted by arlan
what about this?
what about this?
Yeah, that's the one time I let you get to me....no more....
All posts from now on should be ON TOPIC.
Starting.........................................N OW!
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Originally posted by clee130
I've kept mostly out of any war threads, but this keeps on popping up and I'm just really annoyed by it.
70% of Americans ... I don't know why people keep on throwing that statistic. Have you (generally speaking ... not you) spoken to an ordinary schmoe off the street? And I'm not talking about talking to someone off the street that's walking around Wall Street, I'm talking about talking to someone in a not so friendly part of town or even just at the local bar. Ordinary people.
Most people just regurgitate what the media tells them. We're a society that turns in to watch women throw themselves at a man who they believe has millions of dollars and looks good. And we watch people shove cow brains down their throat for money. Seriously ... to rename french fries to freedom fries and to pour french wine down the sink in order to protest and "boycott" France? Might as well yell at the TV when a French person comes on and go, "Nyah, nyah, nyah, I'm rubber and you're glue, anything you say to me bounces back and gets stuck on you!"
There was a news story here in New York about a man who was fed up with protestors so he made up a huge sign telling the protestors to shut up. And people were coming up and signing their names on the sign as if saying, "That's right, if you're against the war, you're anti-government, you're a Taliban and in cohoots with Saddam!" So many of those supporting the war get upset at those who are against the war. Why? Isn't one reason we are over there is to "protect our way of life"? And to give the Iraqis "the basic freedoms that we enjoy"? Free speech (in an orderly and non-disruptive nature) is one of our rights. To put down those protesting the war is to put down one so called reasons we are over in Iraq.
It's this blind obedience to the government, especially after 9-11 that is what I believe the polls are reflecting.
I've listened in on what some of the supporters of the war have been saying when I get my coffee in the morning. These people that are talking aren't exactly Harvard educated, which isn't to say their opinions don't matter, because let's face it ... the majority of the country does not have a Harvard level education. I hear reasons that are so stupid that it boggles the mind. And on top of that, it's those reasons that they are so gung-ho about this war!
I don't remember most of their talks, because I just block it out most of the time. But many of the good points that were brought up in this thread: failed diplomacy, discussions about whether there is a "smoking gun" or not, the history and build-up to this conflict - none of those ever came up. Most people are just spitting back out what is told to them: "Saddam is a bad bad man!" "We have to protect our way of life!" "We're doing this so there won't be another September 11th." "We're giving Iraq back to the Iraqis!"
I buy the 70% of Americans support the war ... I just don't buy into the fact that they know why we're in the war.
Stepping down from my and crawling back behind the now.
I've kept mostly out of any war threads, but this keeps on popping up and I'm just really annoyed by it.
70% of Americans ... I don't know why people keep on throwing that statistic. Have you (generally speaking ... not you) spoken to an ordinary schmoe off the street? And I'm not talking about talking to someone off the street that's walking around Wall Street, I'm talking about talking to someone in a not so friendly part of town or even just at the local bar. Ordinary people.
Most people just regurgitate what the media tells them. We're a society that turns in to watch women throw themselves at a man who they believe has millions of dollars and looks good. And we watch people shove cow brains down their throat for money. Seriously ... to rename french fries to freedom fries and to pour french wine down the sink in order to protest and "boycott" France? Might as well yell at the TV when a French person comes on and go, "Nyah, nyah, nyah, I'm rubber and you're glue, anything you say to me bounces back and gets stuck on you!"
There was a news story here in New York about a man who was fed up with protestors so he made up a huge sign telling the protestors to shut up. And people were coming up and signing their names on the sign as if saying, "That's right, if you're against the war, you're anti-government, you're a Taliban and in cohoots with Saddam!" So many of those supporting the war get upset at those who are against the war. Why? Isn't one reason we are over there is to "protect our way of life"? And to give the Iraqis "the basic freedoms that we enjoy"? Free speech (in an orderly and non-disruptive nature) is one of our rights. To put down those protesting the war is to put down one so called reasons we are over in Iraq.
It's this blind obedience to the government, especially after 9-11 that is what I believe the polls are reflecting.
I've listened in on what some of the supporters of the war have been saying when I get my coffee in the morning. These people that are talking aren't exactly Harvard educated, which isn't to say their opinions don't matter, because let's face it ... the majority of the country does not have a Harvard level education. I hear reasons that are so stupid that it boggles the mind. And on top of that, it's those reasons that they are so gung-ho about this war!
I don't remember most of their talks, because I just block it out most of the time. But many of the good points that were brought up in this thread: failed diplomacy, discussions about whether there is a "smoking gun" or not, the history and build-up to this conflict - none of those ever came up. Most people are just spitting back out what is told to them: "Saddam is a bad bad man!" "We have to protect our way of life!" "We're doing this so there won't be another September 11th." "We're giving Iraq back to the Iraqis!"
I buy the 70% of Americans support the war ... I just don't buy into the fact that they know why we're in the war.
Stepping down from my
and crawling back behind the now.
Originally posted by clee130
I cant believe this all came from you! great to see there are still SMART ppl left in this world
To the sad part, i was reading news that there is looting and all in the main city now after saddam's fall. That is just not right! Forces need to bring the law and order back.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2936721.stm
Originally posted by Max4Speed
I cant believe this all came from you! great to see there are still SMART ppl left in this world
To the sad part, i was reading news that there is looting and all in the main city now after saddam's fall. That is just not right! Forces need to bring the law and order back.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2936721.stm
I cant believe this all came from you! great to see there are still SMART ppl left in this world
To the sad part, i was reading news that there is looting and all in the main city now after saddam's fall. That is just not right! Forces need to bring the law and order back.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2936721.stm
That's inexcusable!
But for the other general looting - I can't say I blame them.
They're just taking what they feel they deserve after all the repression and destruciton over the last 20 years.
Doesn't make it really right, however, but I don't think they should be punished all that severely, that's all....maybe a night in jail or something.....
Anyway, eventually the military will get it under control, but it sounds like that have more to worry about than just looters at the moment.
Watching the news now - possible weapons-grade plutonium and a possible "mobile lab" have been found.....But then again - they've found alot of stuff in the last few days that hasn't been what it looked like.
Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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GO USA, GO MARINES, GO AIRFORCE, GO NAVY, GO ARMY.. we are going to own the world and all the oil in it.
You Maxima drivers should be happy because you are going to pay dirt cheap prices for your GAS!!!
in exchange oppressed people will get freedom and a better life for future generations to come.
next is Syria, then Venezuela, then North Korea, then Cuba, then all the Colombian Guerrillas, and then WHOEVER GETS ON OUR WAY!
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