Wheel alignment and negative camber
04-09-2003, 12:12 PM
#1
Wheel alignment and negative camber
I installed my AGX's last week, and the front eibach's are cut one coil giving it a nice drop, about 1.5 finger gap in the front and 2 in the back.. I took the car to goodyear for an alignment, because im still under warranty from when i had it aligned in august.
now my question is, how bad is it if my camber is -2 degrees? the guy didnt want to cover it under warranty and said my struts looked new, but i just told him thats how my car was the last time i was in there, and he finally agreed to cover it this time. hes going to adjust the toe, but the negative camber will still be there, and i wanted to know if its really going to put excess wear on my tires, being that -1.5 is within spec. i am going back in a little while for them to do the alignment because they were busy... also will my alignment get thrown off easy with my setup? i dont feel like spending a few hundred for camber plates, and then having to have it aligned again.. thanks in advance
now my question is, how bad is it if my camber is -2 degrees? the guy didnt want to cover it under warranty and said my struts looked new, but i just told him thats how my car was the last time i was in there, and he finally agreed to cover it this time. hes going to adjust the toe, but the negative camber will still be there, and i wanted to know if its really going to put excess wear on my tires, being that -1.5 is within spec. i am going back in a little while for them to do the alignment because they were busy... also will my alignment get thrown off easy with my setup? i dont feel like spending a few hundred for camber plates, and then having to have it aligned again.. thanks in advance
04-09-2003, 12:28 PM
#3
Originally posted by Jeff92se
Ah, you shouldn't have cut the coils. Neg 2 deg camber is gonna eat your tires alive. Get some camber bolts quick(I mean order them today and have then installed/aligned within 1 month)
Ah, you shouldn't have cut the coils. Neg 2 deg camber is gonna eat your tires alive. Get some camber bolts quick(I mean order them today and have then installed/aligned within 1 month)
if its that bad, ill look into getting camber bolts and then having it aligned, but i have nothing to lose rigth now since this alignment will be covered under warranty.. thanks for the help
04-09-2003, 12:37 PM
#4
If you got maybe 35,000 on a set of tires, you will probably get less than 1/2 w/ that crappy camber. The inner tread will be bald while the outer will be brand new.
You did read the the suspension sticky RIGHT?
You did read the the suspension sticky RIGHT?
04-09-2003, 01:02 PM
#5
Joe, buy some Eibach Camber Bolts from Alex at SouthWest and you'll be fine, they'll get your camber aligned perfect. Only $30...
You know how low I am and my alignment is perfect. My guy said the camber bolts were an excellent purchase
You know how low I am and my alignment is perfect. My guy said the camber bolts were an excellent purchase
04-09-2003, 01:30 PM
#7
You can get it aligned a billion times, the camber will still be neg 2 degrees until he gets some camber correcting hardware in.
Originally posted by 96BLUMAX
Or just get your car aligned cause mine didnt need the bolts at the place i took it to.
Or just get your car aligned cause mine didnt need the bolts at the place i took it to.
04-09-2003, 01:32 PM
#8
Originally posted by Jeff92se
You did read the the suspension sticky RIGHT?
You did read the the suspension sticky RIGHT?
for some reason on the printout from the alignment it shows left front camber -.5 and right front camber -1... i dont know if he was just guessing -2 degrees before, or he just threw those #'s into the computer.. either way ill just pick up some camber bolts and throw them in in a few weeks, at least my tow is fine for now, and these front tires are on their way out anyway so if i wear them down its not the end of the world.. thanks for your help Jeff, and sorry i didnt read the sticky
04-09-2003, 01:36 PM
#9
Neg .1 and .5 is well within specifications. If those are truely the correct specs then you don't even need the bolts technically.
Originally posted by JoesMAX
for some reason on the printout from the alignment it shows left front camber -.5 and right front camber -1... i dont know if he was just guessing -2 degrees before, or he just threw those #'s into the computer.. either way ill just pick up some camber bolts and throw them in in a few weeks, at least my tow is fine for now, and these front tires are on their way out anyway so if i wear them down its not the end of the world.. thanks for your help Jeff, and sorry i didnt read the sticky
for some reason on the printout from the alignment it shows left front camber -.5 and right front camber -1... i dont know if he was just guessing -2 degrees before, or he just threw those #'s into the computer.. either way ill just pick up some camber bolts and throw them in in a few weeks, at least my tow is fine for now, and these front tires are on their way out anyway so if i wear them down its not the end of the world.. thanks for your help Jeff, and sorry i didnt read the sticky
04-09-2003, 02:23 PM
#10
Originally posted by Jeff92se
Neg .1 and .5 is well within specifications. If those are truely the correct specs then you don't even need the bolts technically.
Neg .1 and .5 is well within specifications. If those are truely the correct specs then you don't even need the bolts technically.
04-09-2003, 02:26 PM
#11
since you started an alignment thread I'm gonna throw my stuff in too
did my alignment yesterday with AGX/H&R (3.5 finger gap in the front
)
my toe out before alignment was 2.8 and 3.2
now its at 0.1 toe in and steering feels a lot beter, also my negative camber is like -0.7... is that ok?
did my alignment yesterday with AGX/H&R (3.5 finger gap in the front
)my toe out before alignment was 2.8 and 3.2
now its at 0.1 toe in and steering feels a lot beter, also my negative camber is like -0.7... is that ok?
04-09-2003, 02:28 PM
#12
-0.7 should be okay.
Joe: If the readings from before/after are exactly the same, something is fishy. Neg 2 deg camber will definately be noticable. Cheap civic lowering noticable. Anything under 1 deg neg and you might not even notice unless you know what to look for.
Joe: If the readings from before/after are exactly the same, something is fishy. Neg 2 deg camber will definately be noticable. Cheap civic lowering noticable. Anything under 1 deg neg and you might not even notice unless you know what to look for.
Originally posted by costcowholesale
since you started an alignment thread I'm gonna throw my stuff in too
did my alignment yesterday with AGX/H&R (3.5 finger gap in the front )
my toe out before alignment was 2.8 and 3.2
now its at 0.1 toe in and steering feels a lot beter, also my negative camber is like -0.7... is that ok?
since you started an alignment thread I'm gonna throw my stuff in too
did my alignment yesterday with AGX/H&R (3.5 finger gap in the front
)my toe out before alignment was 2.8 and 3.2
now its at 0.1 toe in and steering feels a lot beter, also my negative camber is like -0.7... is that ok?
04-09-2003, 02:38 PM
#13
Originally posted by Jeff92se
Joe: If the readings from before/after are exactly the same, something is fishy. Neg 2 deg camber will definately be noticable. Cheap civic lowering noticable. Anything under 1 deg neg and you might not even notice unless you know what to look for.
Joe: If the readings from before/after are exactly the same, something is fishy. Neg 2 deg camber will definately be noticable. Cheap civic lowering noticable. Anything under 1 deg neg and you might not even notice unless you know what to look for.
04-09-2003, 02:55 PM
#14
04-09-2003, 03:04 PM
#15
Hard to tell but that doesn't look like 2 deg neg. I "think" you're okay. But maybe have the shop put it up the rack to confirm? I mean there's no way it could be the same before/after. So I think you're entitled to some accurate specs.
04-09-2003, 03:08 PM
#16
Originally posted by Jeff92se
Hard to tell but that doesn't look like 2 deg neg. I "think" you're okay. But maybe have the shop put it up the rack to confirm? I mean there's no way it could be the same before/after. So I think you're entitled to some accurate specs.
Hard to tell but that doesn't look like 2 deg neg. I "think" you're okay. But maybe have the shop put it up the rack to confirm? I mean there's no way it could be the same before/after. So I think you're entitled to some accurate specs.
04-09-2003, 03:30 PM
#17
get the camber corrected..
and maybe some wheels spacers too, just a imo suggestion, i think it would enhance the stance some more
when i swapped back on my 99s a few weeks ago, the tires on my stock set were worn badly on the inside on all 4 tires but they didnt even look misaligned or anything when they were on the car; probably from when i spun out on a wet highway last summer and hopped over the median sideways... im not getting an alignment done until my new tires and suspension is in which should be next month
04-09-2003, 05:33 PM
#18
Originally posted by JoesMAX
yea but im not sure if those are the right #'s because it shows before and actual as the same #'s, while he told me earlier it was off -2, unless he was just estimating the -2... would -.1 and -.5 show? because you can see that the wheel has a little negative camber, but its not like the back wheels of a civic or anything
yea but im not sure if those are the right #'s because it shows before and actual as the same #'s, while he told me earlier it was off -2, unless he was just estimating the -2... would -.1 and -.5 show? because you can see that the wheel has a little negative camber, but its not like the back wheels of a civic or anything
04-09-2003, 06:12 PM
#19
Originally posted by maximus75
The #'s are the same beacause the camber wasn't adjusted. It's non adjustable until you get the adjustment hardware.
The #'s are the same beacause the camber wasn't adjusted. It's non adjustable until you get the adjustment hardware.
04-10-2003, 07:50 AM
#21
Ingalls camber bolts for $23 shipped
http://www.lightningmotorsports.com/ingalls.htm
My camber was -1.5 and -1.6 and the inside of my tires wore real quick. With the camber bolts I've gotten it to -0.2 on both side, my car tracks better (no more pull) and my tires don't wear as fast now.
http://www.lightningmotorsports.com/ingalls.htm
My camber was -1.5 and -1.6 and the inside of my tires wore real quick. With the camber bolts I've gotten it to -0.2 on both side, my car tracks better (no more pull) and my tires don't wear as fast now.
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