I'm wondering is all this trouble worth it? Wouldn't be easier to order a DET and swap those parts/engine over? The DET would solve the turbo mounting problem and fuel (assuming it comes with 370cc injectors). Not to mention it already has the oil/coolant fittings for the turbo so that would be easier. Of course it would require a new downpipe but that shouldn't be difficult for any muffler shop. As for the IC, that is probably going to be custom anyway. I'd just run an air to water IC myself. I really feel bad for the people that buy these kits and have issues. Then again I know that even some FMAX kits for the SR20DE's have trouble running right sometimes.

 

 

That is exactly 100% correct. Subcontractors are the total responsibility of the party/parties selling the product (due to the decision to go with them).

 

Same here!

 

i already did my flames in the Turbo/SC Forum.. i am just now

 

 

good question sadler, how many maxes have been turboed by hal and out them how many have problems ???????????

 

You know who I havent seen respond to this post that should be all over it?

 

I think you should go to SRT next time you want your turbo- 35 grand I'm sure you'll be happy

jesus... complaining about welds... and the oil line... in the time it took you to write all this you coulda cut the hose and sanded down the welds- the other things like the radiator hose I can understand

now the way I see it is its a custom kit, you cant deny that Hal hasnt helped you since day one none of his customers can... sure its not like the magic turbo fairy fixes everything overnite but for under 4 grand you cant really expect that

I dont know of anyone with a turbo who hasnt had problems and these issues are totally common even with more established kits
alot of those issues like the intercooler... how many cars do you see with a custom turbo setup and the intercooler bolted down?? its generally seen as unecessary my old 240 didnt have the IC bolted down... it had pegs I'm sure just like yours does
and mine was done by one of the biggest and most reputable shops out here in the west (read import tuner ehehe)

fact is... your car is a custom turbocharged automatic your car is fast but for spending under 4 grand with Hal you cant expect SRTs 35 grand turbokits... and everyone wants a setup like Kevins... Nigel didnt DO Kevins setup for him, Kevin chose Nigels setup and did his own thing and spend huge amounts of money to make his kit as complete as it is now... I wont even ask how much Kevin paid...

 

why don't you talk to tilley about how "easy" this swap is..

malik - good points, i think it's just people want stuff for cheap and they don't understand why it is so cheap until they see it.

this adds to the point of taking your car to a shop that has done other custom jobs and has done them well.

jason

 

35k is their turbo kit for the GS400 and it includes twin turbos... they tear out the entire engine and go from there... it's not a bolt-on kit...

IIRC, I think they charge around $10k for the GS300 turbo kit... that is probably more comparable to the turbo setups that we have... still not $4k, but not completely out of the ball park

 

their TT GS4 is just siiiiiicccckkk and the GS3?? jesus its a beautiful start anyways RWD non turbo Supra motor and I-6 better than our crap FWD and for those who have autos... autos haha

but man imagine a 10k kit for the Maxima thats 6gs more money than 4Gs right? that could be a quality kit but....

how many people would buy it??

 

I would But I'm foolish and spend my money on everything I want...

 

hehe... yeah their TT GS4 is craaazy... They have a new GS4 in their shop with the whole engine/tranny torn out waiting for the kit

10k may seem like a lot of money to start off with, but that 10k includes everything... strengthened tranny internals, gauges, turbo accessories, and it looks factory to boot... I agree it is more than our basic kit, but still when you consider final costs in making a turbo kit work at it's potential, the cost creeps up there....

now if we can persuade SRT to hook us up with a kit.....

 

The question isn't which is easier but going with a DET should give one better mounting for the turbo and it comes with bigger injectors plus a better valvetrain and internals. Sure the swap won't be easy but the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. Basically what I'm saying is you get a motor that would probably do between 240-330whp on the stock turbo/injectors/maf.

Compare a $2000-3000 DET to a turbo kit. IMHO the DET is the way to go for a good OEM like turbo conversion. Hell once the engine is swapped, one can sell the DET turbo/injectors while you upgrade to bigger ones.

 

yup exactly like there are a few good people on the org who will pay for quality... who upgrade existing kits or build their own... Nigels and Hals kits are BASIC and there is alot of room for improvement just depends on how much money you wana throw into it to make it a really frickin nice kit like Kev has

it would be cool if SRT wanted to make us a kit... ehehe as long as they are prepared to have only two people buy it ehehe

 

Not going to happen, I tried on Saturday.

 

okay, so you know of someone with a DET engine swapped in a maxima and running smoothly because I don't. I know offhand tilley's car is running through trannies like there is no tomorrow and it has detonated a few times.

you seem to think the DET swap is a smooth swap and you aren't even looking at the actual issues with a swap, you are talking about injectors and valvetrains. I can buy pistons, rods, rings, springs, etc for my engine that will hold harder than a DET and will be easier to put back in.

i dont know if you know enough about the swap, i know i don't, but i am stating what i do know.

 

I've tried before as well... no go so far

 

It's very sad reading things like this because putting myself into the shoes of the customer would frustrate me beyond belief, I'm surprised as to how much patience and leniency you had Dixit.


One thing we all need to understand at least somewhat is that because kits for these cars are not mass produced by companies that have necessary funds and resources for proper development and testing, unfortunately, there are bound to be problems and there will be a few people that will step up and take the risk and allow their cars to be labrats.

I give Hal credit for being one of the few to attempt to produce a turbo kit for the maxima community.. even if his effort was flawed, he meant well..

it's very unfortunate there are people who have walked away with problems after spending their earned $ on this.

good luck

 

 

 

 

dude u ****** crack me up.....



hal....come out come out where ever you are!!!!!!

 

Ouch Man!, It pains me to see this, Hall is like one of the First to do a lot of things to his max, I geuss his recent move to Cali disoriented him, A lot of Fine Girls there you know, 6k ios Prety Expensive though, You should have had a Regular shop do it around your house

 

whats for him to say? he's been trying to help Dixit since day one... Dixit expects an SRT turbo kit from a cheapo price...

every single kit from Nigel or Hal has run into problems... it just seems Nigels customers are more understanding and capable of taking care of things on their own

I'm sure Hal will post when he gets off work

 

and people thought I was too rough in my statement in that thread.

 

hmmm still think you were...

theres alot of misquotes in this one too people trying to say Hal doesnt answer any of his calls and emails... thats some good old fashion bull**** right there

 

It seems to me that Nigel has been more proactive in helping his customers deal with the issues.

 

then again Nigels kit is more expensive and they have that little gentleman's agreement thing. Nigel has done a good job of working with his customers. Hal has, and is trying, but being in the middle of a move out to the west coast it hasnt been easy...

plus the majority of the people who bought Nigels kit have been much more flexible and proactive themselves in working WITH Nigel to fix problems instead of just expecting them to be magically fixed over night

 

 

carnal_c30, i think its good that you are standing up for your friend, but i think its time for Hal to post something

 

 

 

That's fine. I still think he deserves more that just an internet threat. This stuff is just plain wrong.

 

Nope,

Not only do you still have to do all the custom fabrication associated with the custom turbo. You now have to deal with the headaches of an engine swap as well. Trust me, it's not as easy as it looks and the pay-offs are not worth it. Just ask Tilley.

 

he will get off work later then it is up to him

and me standing up for a friend? wouldnt make a difference if I didnt know him at all, if this was Nigel I would do the same- these are CUSTOM kits... for freakin cheap prices. Complaining about welds underneath the car and a 5 minute fix for an oil line... if thats the way you wana be... go pay SRT 10 grand or 15 grand

Nigel could get flamed the same way for little pointless things like this but his customers are MUCH more understanding and proactive in working towards solutions

 

 

i don't think 6000 is cheap

 

where is my pill?