Hello gentlemen. First off, I know you guys secretly are very jealous of GTP's in general since they blow you away 99% of the time. Here's my story of last night's demolition of a new Maxima SE.

There is one strip near my home that is excellent for street racing. This road actually is the border between two towns, so there are usually no cops around. The road is two lanes both ways, with almost 1/4 mile between lights, no intersections, smooth road surface. I'm on this road with my wife and up ahead I do see a Maxima zipping left, right, left, right passing slower moving cars, being "macho" you might say. Time to teach this boy a lesson in Machismo. I do the same and I barely pass one last slow mover before getting to THE light I mentioned above. He's in the left lane, I'm in the right. No cops at the intersection. I looked at him, but he never looked my way. He did lurch a few times and rev, so I knew the race was on. Even my docile wife told me to let him have it. Before I get into the blood and guts of this story, I must confess that I do have a smaller pulley and some other minor mods. OK - light the other way is yellow. Each second passes seems like an hour. My heart is racing. GREEN!!!!! I laid into the gas pedal too much and started to smoke 'em, but in my excitement, I forgot to turn off the traction control system, so in a few moments, I got traction. The manual Maxima also had problems connecting, but he jumped out to 1/2 car length lead before my TCS kicked in. Once it did tho, it got ugly for the Maxima really quick. I instantly joined him neck to neck then quite easily I had one, then two then almost three car lengths on him. My s/c whined so sweetly as he studied my tail lights. He frantically shifted trying in vain as his n/a V6 tried to play catch up. I eased off the gas near 80MPH (45MPH zone), even tho as I said, this area has few cops. I turned right at the next light and he kept going. I looked his way as he passed, but I guess he was too embarrassed to give me the old "thumbs up." All in all, a sweet, rather easy win. Maybe if I were bone stock it would have been closer, but even then, I think I still would have pulled him by at least 1 car length.

 

As soon as you race against a SC Maxima you can come to our board and talk smack. A N/A Grand Prix will get spanked by a Maxima and a GTP will get spanked by a S/C Maxima. Find one of those and see how bad you lose.

 

uhhh jou want a cookie or something? ::yawnnn::

 

I like your story.. i like you are an enthusiast.. but when you come here with that tone you are asking for an argument...

Anyway.. good kill... keep modding that Car you will surpise alot of other cars out there..

 

Good race, although the 1/4mile is tested at 15.1-.3 for the 2001 gtp coupe; what other mods do you have?? I assume a pulley doesn't take off over a second on the 1/4 (2-4 door???).

The GTP (imo) is probably one of the best races for a maxima because it is such a nice toss up. The 3.8L 240hp gtp sports car should win (not kill) against a 3.0L 222hp family sedan. Although in contrast the new Infiniti (boat) Q (0-60 5.9) would stomp on the GTP and Maxima.

About jealousy; anyone who can afford a 5th gen maxima, could easily afford the GTP. Like most people said if they wanted a car for speed, they woulda bought a v8.

Personally I always like the 100,000 mile race, which few american cars finish without major repairs.

-Nate

 

and people get lucky.

 

Nice run. On top of making more hp than a max your car is also lighter from all the parts that keep falling off. Hey did your car come with the exhaust tips that corrode on the dealership lot?

 

That's quite a bold statement, but i'll let it slide. Anyway, my personal feelings are that if you go on to another forum just to specifically say that you beat one of their cars, well, i think you're making up for something. Perhaps you're a little on the "small" side? Perhaps the kids used to tease you in school (or maybe those same people now tease you at work??) Your GF just dump you? I dunno, whatever. That's just MHO.

About your car. I like the exterior styling of the GTP's, always have, I won't lie. That supercharger is OK. The GTP is so far from a performance car though. For one, what's with the slushbox? Second, what's with the 240 hp? Come on, the NA VQ makes almost that much power.

Now, let's talk about pontiac quality. Ah yes, the company that brought us Aztec. I rode in several GTP's before and I can tell you, I wish GM spent the $3500 on interior quality instead of a supercharger. The interior is GARBAGE and it screams pontiac (not a good thing mind you). All in all, the GTP doesn't really do a great job as a sports car and it certainly doesn't do anything to get me excited about the interior amenities.

Uhm, nice kill though?

 

I'm not a maxima owner but i find it funny that you come onto maxima.org to tell everyone you spanked a maxima. cough*troll*coughcough* Whats the URL of the GTP site? Once i'm supercharged like you guys i will be more than happy to post my crushing i'm gonna give to one of your brethren.

BTW i have raced a stock black GTP on the street and took him. It wasn't a wipping but i edged him out nonetheless. My car only has 194 hp 209 ft lbs tq stock, the new maxima has a lot more than that so i dont see a stock GTP beating one by a car length. If your both charged you will have no chance.

[Edited by gLok on 03-01-2001 at 09:10 AM]

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 2000 GTP
Hello gentlemen. First off, I know you guys secretly are very jealous of GTP's in general since they blow you away 99% of the time.

99%......hmmmm.....didn't know there was a list somewhere about that.

Good kill, and we appreciate others that come here and talk about it.

But, you had a blower and the Max (I assume) didn't. Talking big about that won't get you anywhere here. A Max with a blower would have eaten you alive....

Anyhoo, come back when your car reaches 150k and I'll race you. I figure I'll have about 220k on my 94 by then....

I have a feeling I'll be waiting a long time.....

 

posts with less flame potential have been shut down. Hmmm....

This is also a very popular topic...SEARCH.

 

We all have avoided asking this, but was the Max an auto or 5-spd??????

 

And your point is Mr 2000 GTP?? So what if you can beat a Maxima. Why the urge to get a login name and a password and take the time to type that nonsense here Mr. Lurker. You did say that you were married so why not spend some quality time with the wife instead of coming here and posting **** like this? I feel sorry for her. Post this at a GTP site. I love the way the GTP looks, but thats about all. I have nothing nice to say about the plastic interior or the automatic transmission or the electrical system.... blah blah blah.
This is my email address: tebhagwa@yahoo.com.
Feel free to set up a meeting so that we can drag it out. And by the way, I have a 3.25 pulley, I dont give a rat's *** about your 3.5. And just so that its fair, and your wife seems to like the rush of street dragging, she can ride in my passenger seat to document and witness the race. Don't come here posting **** sir. Im waiting to hear from you. Im dead serious.

Tim Bagwandin

95SE 5speed V1 S/C, 3.25 pulley, Blitz BOV, Cattman Y-pipe, Greddy Cat-Back, Sway bars and strut bars Front and Rear, Eilbach/Tokicos combo, 17" ACE Racing Monoco's-235/45-17 Nitto's. Best e.t. to date: 13.36@106 (and I don't even drag race!!) 170,000 miles and rollin.......

91 Galant VR-4 AWD Turbocharged (completley stock)

 

Youre boasting about a race between an N/A Maxima against your car that has an s/c, smaller pulley and a couple of other mods. What a cheap thrill Ill say. Being your car was modded with all this and the other car nothing. Im not going to say great kill because it wasnt fair at all. Race a Max with an S/C, Y pipe, UDP, EXHAUST and PR CAI. then see what happens. Hope you dont pee in your pants. This was a stupid post man you were modded quite abit and the other car nothing. Kinda like a big bully picking on some little kid. Pick on someone your own size and well you might get what you deserve. Sorry no congrats here.

 

I guess it's a good thing you're not a moderator....

posts with less flame potential have been shut down. Hmmm....

I disagree, but that's your opinion.

This is also a very popular topic...SEARCH.

Why? it's a kill story.



While it does have flame potential, it is a kill story and the "smack" was limited. Let it at that. If he had talked more smack, then action would have followed.

My, we are getting sensitive.....

 

i think i'm going to brag about how i beat a civic on the honda forum...

 

to a Zaino post that was shutdown. Maybe I wasn't sensitive enough to see the "flame" in that post? Or biased because I use the product?
And opinion is the grounds upon which a moderator performs their duties? So is your opinion more important than mine?
We'll see how far this GTP post goes...

 

For those interested, <A HREF="https://maxima.org/forums/showthread.phtml?threadid=24816">here</A> is the post in question. From my experience, I have seen Russ posts and know what paths they take. It begins with good questions/comments on his part and then turns bad for some unfathomable reason. We have had so many lockable/deletable posts lately that I decided to lock it and leave it as a good discussion instead of it turning into flaming. Russ made his point, Avalon Racing made his point. Simple as that.

To answer your question, my opinion is more important than yours because I have responsibilities here that you don't have. I am accountable to Jamie, you are not.

 

Even though Mr. GTP won't come back and respond to any of these posts... i'll add my two cents in anways. Those silly GTP guys...the new maxima doesn't look like this: <p align left>
<img src="http://media5.motorcities.com/99J77444129729A.jpg">
<h6>I don't own this picture and credits go to it's owner. Plus, it's a REALLY clean 1g. </h6> </align>
You weren't racing a new maxima...you were racing a first gen. In all seriousness. Mr. GTP. Do you feel better that you beat a 222hp Naturally Aspirated, 3.0 litre v6, 3200lb 4 door family sedan, with your 240hp Supercharged, 3.8 litre v6, 3300lb 2/4 door family coupe/sedan? You should. I mean, if you lost, it'd be downright embarrassing. To be beaten by a car running all motor and less horsepower. I mean, that GTP i beat the other night...he should be feeling done right crappy. Getting beat by a 4dr family car with a smaller engine, less hp, and not even being pressurized.

Sometimes, i hate stupid people. Oh, and we have higher topspeeds. hehehe 126mph topspeed for a GTP, that's funny.

 

Awesome run man. I congratulate u on your victory! We know the GTPs are fast, and can be modded to be extremly fast. But once that happens they become unreliable. Anyways, on to my conclusion.

Your time 13.9, Maxima 5spd at best 14.7. Hmmm, Okay, now lets put a STOCK GTP against a STOCK Maxima, both are pretty darn equal in 1/4 with the Maxima getting the edge top end. So I wouldn't say the GTP spanks all Maximas, only ones that someone doesn't know how to drive and modded GTPs.

Also, I would be impressed if only a little 3.0L V6 hung with a 3.8L Supercharged v6. Hmmmmm something odd here...then you slap a sc on the 3.0l, and it runs 13s or even 12s.

 

Bill, see, you can't assume things. I was wan'ting more detail info about it. Since you locked the post, me and Avalon talked by email, and actually he is sending me some of his polish/wax to test because that is what the topic was winding down to deal with. Alot of peole didn't see a issue happening they wanted to discuss it. Isn't that what this forum is here for? Until you see someone yelling and b**** out the other person don't close posts.... Also alot of others here have known me much longer than u, they know how I act, I may act abrubt at times, but it takes someone to fire me up like u guys did on the other site. I won't continue here, email is available.

 

Dont sweat it guys. GM makes some quality products. HaHa, the build quality on gm vehicles are terrible. We used to have GM's Flagship Cadillac STS and interior parts would either get broken or would fall off. It was a joke, the car was in the dealership all the time for stuff like that. Ive ridin in GTPs and they are not built as well as our Maximas. The exterior is nice looking, but the interior is terrible. The plastic looks cheap and the guages are all clustered. If i wanted a faster car, i could have gotten a used M3 which would smoke most GTPs in the straights and left them far behind in the turns. I chose the Maxima because it was a much better deal for the money and the performance was great. Somebody go and find the link to the GTP board that this guy belongs to. I am gonna post there and said i lit up a modified GTP in a 2001 M5. I wonder what they would have to say about that

 

We'll play your way.

Here is a summation of your posts on the subject:

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Aid? I doubt that seriously. It actually prevents it.

Not a lot of love there. And where's your proof?

How can you say this if u have never used it? My gosh, how do u know it has a terrible affect on our finish? I have never had anything else PROTECT it longer and better than Zaino has. I think u are just dissing it to sell your IBIZ.

This one nearly did you in. Starting to get personal in that last sentence.

And your proof? Please show proof of this? We have used it, and it defintely is the best. And it does wear out.

Request made and answered.

How can u say it does not build up? Please tell me? All waxes build up after time. Unless you put something on
your car to strip it. All waxes wear out after a while and need a new coat, including zaino. If it wears out
that means its worn off I would supose right? That means Zaino would no longer be on there after 6-8 months. So
I think your info is flawed personally. I am gonna email sal and Zaino and see what he says

Request made and answered.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Russ2kSE
Bill, see, you can't assume things.

Sure I can.

I was wan'ting more detail info about it.

And you got it in at least 2 posts by Avalon Racing.

Since you locked the post, me and Avalon talked by email, and actually he is sending me some of his polish/wax to test because that is what the topic was winding down to deal with.

Good, I'm glad a post was productive and inclined you to try a new product. I look forward to you sharing the results.

However, based on your history and prior experience with you posting it was locked as you kept requesting proof and that was given in narrative form twice. It was easy to envision flames degrading what was a good post.

Alot of peole didn't see a issue happening they wanted to discuss it.

People aren't aware of your history here, either.

Isn't that what this forum is here for?

Yes, and you used it wisely and are trying a new product.

Until you see someone yelling and b**** out the other person don't close posts....

You do it your way, I'll do it mine.

Also alot of others here have known me much longer than u,

True, true.

they know how I act, I may act abrubt at times, but it takes someone to fire me up like u guys did on the other site.

MAY?

I won't continue here, email is available.

I guess a response won't be forthcoming then....

 

Gentlemen - relax - take a chill pill! I am not a troller, however, when I see your fancy racing-inspired commercial on TV, with "222" horsepower, and all, some smack must be spoken! So you guys bought this car because it will go for 150,000 miles!!! Gimme a break. I keep my cars 3, 4 years tops. I could care less what happens to it after that time. Once the warranty is over, I'm done with it. BTW, my GTP (knock on wood) has had NO problems yet. Of course, it is 16 months old and only has 8,000 miles on it, but that's besides the point.

Bottom Line: The FASTEST PRODUCTION SEDAN IN THE WORLD for under 30,000.00 is the PONTIAC GRAND PRIX GTP. Period. End of story, case closed. To you guys that slap on a s/c on your Maxima, let me go to a 3.0" pullied intercooled s/c and THEN we'll see - OK?!

 

Hahahaha fastest under 30k? I am sorry but you are so wrong its not funny.....

 

AHAHAH right! a 5th gen maxima will smoke a GTP! Lets see, it also actually comes with a 5 speed manual and is lighter. Plus the max has four doors, your cars a two door. What else, it needs .8 extra litres and a supercharger to get 240 hp and its still slower than a 5th gen since a 5th gen max will bust 14's bone stock. I dont even own a maxima but i give credit where credit is due.

 

I read in a while.( The pic was priceless).


As for the GTP guy, if we all wanted cheap speed thrills we would buy your GTP or the 3rd gen owners would buy the SHO's but we're used to reliability, and a good inside/outside finish.

The car just looks cheap overall, looks like its made of plastic on the outside, ugly GM interior and ugly leather seats. Come back in a few months when it will be in the shop for your blown auto tranny.

Also, why would you think the Max owners would be jealous? They obviously could afford the pontiac, but chose to make an educated buy.

Another thing, anyone notice the newer Grand Am GT's, they look like some wannabe Testarosa on crack, LOL.

 

We drive cars that can actually handle corners and straight-line are pretty fast while we don't have to worry about the interior falling apart. Also, I am curious do you have a big budweiser towel in the back window. A S/C'd max will outperform and out handle a GTP any day. Would someone please send this guy the link to show him what happens when you mod the Pontiac engine too much, kaboom!!! Case closed.
Thanks for playing!!
JCR

 

2000GTP should lay off the crack pipe. The GTP is slower than a 5th Gen max by a slight bit.Any idiot can throw a pulley on a car and stomp the gas of a slushbox, it takes little skills. Lets how your car fares in the turns where skills, suspension, and braking are required. I am not saying that the Maxima is the greatest car that has ever been created, but dont come in here and brag about how you beat a presumably stock maxima vs your modified GTP. Did he mention if it was a 5 speed or auto???

 

Just a few weeks ago I had 2 GTP's pull up next to me on either side. I took both of them and the sad thing is I didn't EVEN have a Cone Filter, BONE STOCK!!!
I've got a 96 with 107k N/A 5spd. Now, Michael (2000 GTP)come on I'm not saying GTP can't be quick, but don't come on our forum talking that smack. Cuz you can call any of your Houston stock GTP friends for a friendly run and I know your friend is gonna let you down. Hell I might even beat him with heavy a$$ 18's. I'm not flame'n you I'm just say'n that a stock GTP is not gonna beat a stock 5spd. No matter how fast you are.

Sorry dude, if your just trying to start a war, but we're all pretty sure about that.

 

Each made his point. So why shut it down? So we are going to judge/moderate members on their likeliness of creating a flame war? Sure, Russ has caused his share of commotion...but aren't there others? Or is this something personal?

If someone is offended by a Zaino post why not extend it a "Riceboy" post?

In the current post, each person is making their point: "Blah, blah, blah, Maxima is better, blah, blah, blah." When GTP2000 comes back to make his point, this will surely turn into a flame-worthy post.

And when *you* make bad judgements, what happens? Does Jamie reprimand you or override your authority? He really has the time for that? He assumes blocked posts have been "properly" moderated (moderated as he himself would)?

One last thing, how does one become a moderator?

 

Hey.. I just want to apologize to you guys for "2000 GTP's" behavier. I want you guys to know that not ALL of us GTP owners are like him. I have no idea why he came over here and flamed you guys. People on our Grand Prix board hate when people do it to us.. so why do it to someone else? Well happy racing guys!

 

There are people like that on every board, don't worry about it. Nice to see he's the exception to the rule, come back anytime.

 

GTP Girlie even sounds cute. Anyhoo hey I heard the Grand Prix next year is suppose to get an LS1 engine. Now that would be something for Mr. GTP 2000 brag about. But then again it'll prob. be auto and the Taurus SHO has a V8 and it's not that quick in fact I heard it's slower than the previous SHO.

 

I'm glad you're a model member and apolgized on behalf of the GTP Club.

 

And i will see your sexy butt at Etown


get on AIM

 

Each made his point. So why shut it down?

Russ has a history of turning these types of "this vs. that" posts into a personal "me vs. you" post. I'm sorry if you don't believe/accept that. It would take days to explain that part of history.

So we are going to judge/moderate members on their likeliness of creating a flame war?

I don't speak for we, but as for me, yes. Russ is one of the special cases. There are others. Through observation of posts, it's easy to see the ones that need special attention.

Sure, Russ has caused his share of commotion...but aren't there others? Or is this something personal?

Yes there are others, and they are looked at as well. I'm not sure if it's personal or not. It sure seems to be headed in that direction, though.

If someone is offended by a Zaino post why not extend it a "Riceboy" post?

This post was prevented from becoming an offensive post to read by me locking it. Was it premature? Perhaps. But it saved a productive post, which is what's important.

[/i]In the current post, each person is making their point: "Blah, blah, blah, Maxima is better, blah, blah, blah." When GTP2000 comes back to make his point, this will surely turn into a flame-worthy post.[/i]

I was unaware that 2000 GTP causes flames on a regular basis. He has a grand total of the posts in this thread on this website. Not a lot of history to go on.

And when *you* make bad judgements, what happens?

I say "oh well" and move on with life, taking note of the situation and circumstances. I try not to repeat making a bad judgment.

Does Jamie reprimand you or override your authority?

Yes, that's his responsibility as an administrator.

[/i]He really has the time for that?[/i]

Yep. He does.

He assumes blocked posts have been "properly" moderated (moderated as he himself would)?

He doesn't assume anything, and knows EXACTLY what has gone on today in multiple forums, not just this one.

One last thing, how does one become a moderator?

Good question. I really have no idea. All I did was complain about the need for moderators......

 

Coolmax. What's up man? If you don't like the way Bill moderates, I think you should start a new thread and spell it out clearly. Jamie trusts Bill's moderation and if Jamie didn't like a particular way Bill moderated, he would either not see him as a moderator anymore or take care of it through private email. If it's email, then I don't think you would hear about it. I mean what are you looking for in regards to how Bill moderates? I don't think there is a 10 page instruction manual that Bill is supposed to follow regarding the "proper" procedure for moderation. And if that is truely what you are looking for then I don't think you will be able to become a moderator here. Bill is just a normal guy with common sense. Is that gonna please everyone? Nope. Is it gonna **** some people off? Yep you bet. Is there a moderator that could prevent the last two things? I doubt it. I can guarantee you if you become a moderator, you will be having to answer the same questions you are asking right now. Don't you think?

 

if you mean purshase price lower then $30000 not msrp a 2000 volvo S70 T5 and 2001 S60 T5 manual can eat you with stick shift. The subaru WRX might beat a stock GTP in dry roads.IT WILL BEAT YOU IN RAIN AND SNOW. Its under $30000 adn it is a sedan too and its a 2.0 liter car not even V6 hahahhaha!!!!!!



[Edited by costcowholesale on 03-01-2001 at 03:54 PM]

 

What's up Jeff?


>Coolmax. What's up man? If you don't like the way Bill moderates, I think you should start a new thread and spell it out clearly.

Too lazy. Plus, I don't have that power to move things around...I'm not a moderator.

>I mean what are you looking for in regards to how Bill moderates?

Given the number of complaints (not only by me) isn't obvious there is a problem?

>I don't think there is a 10 page instruction manual that Bill is supposed to follow regarding the "proper" procedure for moderation.

Maybe there should be?

>Bill is just a normal guy with common sense.

Is that a good thing?

>Is that gonna please everyone? Nope. Is it gonna **** some people off? Yep you bet. Is there a moderator that could prevent the last two things? I doubt it. I can guarantee you if you become a moderator, you will be having to answer the same questions you are asking right now. Don't you think?

Understood and expected. However, would I be willing to compromise and reason with members? I'd think so.

Basically, I "fear" the abuse of newly acquired power. I expect to see posts moderated with as little personal bias as possible. But who am I to decide these things?

Nice job on the grammar, I'm watching you.

[Edited by CoolMax on 03-01-2001 at 08:13 PM]