Custom Turbo VE finished***pics***
01-14-2004, 09:54 PM
#41
Originally Posted by dmontzmax
WOW! Your an auto VE with 8psi putting down 250hp and 280tq? that is impressive. A 5 speed would put down around 260-270hp and 290-300tq with 8psi then...if you are an auto that is insane. Good Job 
is the set up like Hal's kit? reverse y pipe?
is the set up like Hal's kit? reverse y pipe?unless hes like me.. where my engine bay looks like an auto but its really a 5sp
01-14-2004, 10:57 PM
#43
Originally Posted by Aaron92SE
The VQ 4th gen and the VE have the SAME injector part number. So you have the same injectors as Hal does. But he does have more fuel coming in with his wet kit.
Not many people know about my Zemulator deal going on, but I can tell ya about it. I had to swap in a 300zx ECU and MAFS to get this to work. Once I got that ECU working fine, I started tuning my car. Here is a link to what I can do:
http://www.z1motorsports.com/Product.../zemulator.asp
Right now, I am still in the process of tuning my car. I am ordering a wideband o2 sensor so i am able to tune my car 100% without ever stepping foot on a dyno. Since you are able to datalog all the timing, fuel, injectors, MAFS, rpm, AND wideband o2 sensor data, you are able to review it in the future and created maps to suit your car. Once I get this tuned and actually make my car faster than what i was with the stock ECU, I will advertise this HEAVILY on the org so Z1 motorsports will get Maxima business from VE guys. Oh yeah, right now, this will ONLY work for VE guys since we have an ECU pretty much identical to the 90+ 300zx non turbo.
BTW, good job on the turbo man. VERY NICE! We all support you of course.
Not many people know about my Zemulator deal going on, but I can tell ya about it. I had to swap in a 300zx ECU and MAFS to get this to work. Once I got that ECU working fine, I started tuning my car. Here is a link to what I can do:
http://www.z1motorsports.com/Product.../zemulator.asp
Right now, I am still in the process of tuning my car. I am ordering a wideband o2 sensor so i am able to tune my car 100% without ever stepping foot on a dyno. Since you are able to datalog all the timing, fuel, injectors, MAFS, rpm, AND wideband o2 sensor data, you are able to review it in the future and created maps to suit your car. Once I get this tuned and actually make my car faster than what i was with the stock ECU, I will advertise this HEAVILY on the org so Z1 motorsports will get Maxima business from VE guys. Oh yeah, right now, this will ONLY work for VE guys since we have an ECU pretty much identical to the 90+ 300zx non turbo.
BTW, good job on the turbo man. VERY NICE! We all support you of course.
01-14-2004, 11:13 PM
#44
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Awesome work man. If I wasn't a student in college with two part time jobs, I'd go for something like this.
Mad props to you. I think everyone is curious as to how much it cost you, but obviously you don't want everyone to know. I am interested in how much it did cost you though, pm me if you want.
Plus are you running a reverse ypipe or did you do something special?
Mad props to you. I think everyone is curious as to how much it cost you, but obviously you don't want everyone to know. I am interested in how much it did cost you though, pm me if you want.
Plus are you running a reverse ypipe or did you do something special?
01-14-2004, 11:55 PM
#47
Originally Posted by Matt93SE
Get over it, Don.. People post if they want to. they shouldn't be obligated to post props on something that they could care less about.
but they claim to have respect and like them all the time...I just need to get over it
01-15-2004, 12:21 AM
#48
Thats awesome! Maybe you can bring that thing out to a DC area meet sometime. I would definitely like to see what kind of prices Millenium charges. Especially since I'm right here in Richmond, VA. 
01-15-2004, 06:28 AM
#49
Originally Posted by dmontzmax
yeah, I know but they claim to have respect and like them all the time...I just need to get over it
but they claim to have respect and like them all the time...I just need to get over it 
lol at you don. thinking about being the first ever to have a boosted ve AND a boosted vq in the same household? 
01-15-2004, 08:26 AM
#51
guys..i have a 5 speed manual..dont know how you guys thought i was an auto...i was looing at my dyno chart, and it doesnt look right.im thinking about taking it to get it tuned again and see wats up..ill let you guys know soon...thanks for all the compliments...appreciate it..
as for the ypipe..its not reversed..they actually did the whole thing...i was going to ask them to do my headers but it was too late cuz i needed to have my car to get places..
as for the ypipe..its not reversed..they actually did the whole thing...i was going to ask them to do my headers but it was too late cuz i needed to have my car to get places..
01-15-2004, 09:13 AM
#54
I believe the VE and VQ's compression are the same or very similar. HP on turbo/sc cars is very,very tuning dependent.
Originally Posted by spanishrice
Don't VE's have lower compression, could that be the culprit of the lower numbers?
01-15-2004, 09:30 AM
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VE compression is 10:1
as for the y pipe it proboly is a reverse pipe if they redid it since it comes out the front instead of the back like stock
you should take it somwhere else and have them tune it and see if the numbers change. if you take it to the same place they proboly wont do it anybetter
could you still post your current dyno sheets for us PLEASE i just want to see how the curve looks since ive never seen a turbo VE dyno sheet before
also does your dyno sheet have the air fuel ratio at the bottom if it does you should be able to tell how well it was tuned
as for the y pipe it proboly is a reverse pipe if they redid it since it comes out the front instead of the back like stock
you should take it somwhere else and have them tune it and see if the numbers change. if you take it to the same place they proboly wont do it anybetter
could you still post your current dyno sheets for us PLEASE i just want to see how the curve looks since ive never seen a turbo VE dyno sheet before
also does your dyno sheet have the air fuel ratio at the bottom if it does you should be able to tell how well it was tuned
01-15-2004, 09:49 AM
#56
Originally Posted by lophix
lol at you don. thinking about being the first ever to have a boosted ve AND a boosted vq in the same household? Also the VE is 10:1 like the VQ.
MaxTuned, if you are a 5 speed where is your power valve for the intake manifold? did you convert?
01-15-2004, 11:51 AM
#61
287-ish hp from 8psi is weak?
me likey!
please dont take offense, but 8psi and you're putting down 250? seems pretty weak to me...a/f readings? EGT?
i cant wait until i have a little more money and the weather gets nicer.
Originally Posted by MaDMaX024
me likey!please dont take offense, but 8psi and you're putting down 250? seems pretty weak to me...a/f readings? EGT?
i cant wait until i have a little more money and the weather gets nicer.
01-15-2004, 12:14 PM
#62
I think if tuned right with the proper equipment he could make significantly more...as far as "tuning" goes AFCs and FMUs are purely halfass bandaids IMO!(no offense to the users, just in general)
01-15-2004, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DA-MAX
I think if tuned right with the proper equipment he could make significantly more...as far as "tuning" goes AFCs and FMUs are purely halfass bandaids IMO!(no offense to the users, just in general)
yes 250whp @ 8psi is alittle week because like i said there is a VQ-T with a very similage setup that put dow 250WHP @ only 5psi which means he should be closer to 280 at 8psi but this could just be tunning related
and it doesnt have anything to do with only having 240cc injectors because hes rasing the fuel pressure significantly wirth the FMU. there are quite a few VQ guys with the same injectors and setup puting down low 300's but if he plans to up the boost alot more he will have to upgrade but they should support 10psi @ near 100psi fuel pressure which is getting dangerous
01-15-2004, 02:35 PM
#65
You can't really say "because this VQ on 5psi made 250hp, this VE on 8psi should make 275hp" etc... TOO many factors.
If we could compare the dyno graphs and what the a/f ratios were, "maybe" we could compare. But we still have the issue of exahust size/design, timing issues, general engine condition etc... all could make a 25fwhp difference.
Personally I'd take 250fwhp if the engine lasts. Yeah, Hal runs huge numbers, but he's also on his 3rd/4th engine. VQs are like $300. Try getting a GOOD VE for less than $800.
If we could compare the dyno graphs and what the a/f ratios were, "maybe" we could compare. But we still have the issue of exahust size/design, timing issues, general engine condition etc... all could make a 25fwhp difference.
Personally I'd take 250fwhp if the engine lasts. Yeah, Hal runs huge numbers, but he's also on his 3rd/4th engine. VQs are like $300. Try getting a GOOD VE for less than $800.
Originally Posted by subs1000w
i agree 100% he should look into the 300zx Zemulator and alrger injectors although expensive it would work much much better
yes 250whp @ 8psi is alittle week because like i said there is a VQ-T with a very similage setup that put dow 250WHP @ only 5psi which means he should be closer to 280 at 8psi but this could just be tunning related
and it doesnt have anything to do with only having 240cc injectors because hes rasing the fuel pressure significantly wirth the FMU. there are quite a few VQ guys with the same injectors and setup puting down low 300's but if he plans to up the boost alot more he will have to upgrade but they should support 10psi @ near 100psi fuel pressure which is getting dangerous
yes 250whp @ 8psi is alittle week because like i said there is a VQ-T with a very similage setup that put dow 250WHP @ only 5psi which means he should be closer to 280 at 8psi but this could just be tunning related
and it doesnt have anything to do with only having 240cc injectors because hes rasing the fuel pressure significantly wirth the FMU. there are quite a few VQ guys with the same injectors and setup puting down low 300's but if he plans to up the boost alot more he will have to upgrade but they should support 10psi @ near 100psi fuel pressure which is getting dangerous
01-15-2004, 02:50 PM
#66
our longer stroke will get us more torque too
but yeah, I was thinking 8psi should be getting more, but it could have something to do with our smaller bores too. I'm not sure... yet
I really want to see the curve though. Would be really interesting to compare with Jeffy's.
but yeah, I was thinking 8psi should be getting more, but it could have something to do with our smaller bores too. I'm not sure... yet
I really want to see the curve though. Would be really interesting to compare with Jeffy's.
01-15-2004, 03:00 PM
#67
I just reread the thread.
It would be interesting to see the gains if you went 5spd (full swap, ecu/harness/powervalve ie. Dmontzmax style
).
I still need to get out and make a video and take some notes about the 5spd VI for Aaron.
Another thing... heat. Do you know what the engine was at when you dyno'd or were you doing a bunch of other runs before that run or something? Maybe do what Aaron did and put a 160 (150)* T-stat in there, or get MaDMaX024 to make another Helix spacer or something. Just thinking of stuff.
It would be interesting to see the gains if you went 5spd (full swap, ecu/harness/powervalve ie. Dmontzmax style
).I still need to get out and make a video and take some notes about the 5spd VI for Aaron.
Another thing... heat. Do you know what the engine was at when you dyno'd or were you doing a bunch of other runs before that run or something? Maybe do what Aaron did and put a 160 (150)* T-stat in there, or get MaDMaX024 to make another Helix spacer or something. Just thinking of stuff.
01-15-2004, 03:10 PM
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i want to see the dyno and air fuel ratios
heres a link of thebigsadlers 98 5spd with T3/T4 @5psi dyno @ 256whp WITH 2.25 EXHAUST
this setup has full 3in mandle bent with a similar sized turbo
i bet thebigsadler gained another 10whp with 3in exhaust thats 265whp still at @ 5psi
so i definitly think this thing should put down close to 280whp if not 290 or im going to be very disipointed
your right we dont know what the condition of the engine is maybe he has a bad knock sensor if so that would make a huge diference proboly 30 to 50 hp considering when mine was bad i bet i was seeing like 20hp loss when the engine would go into closed loop
non the less im not saying this is bad in any way i would kill to have 250whp but on the other hand im still thinking the VE should put down very very similar numbers as the VQ
heres a link of thebigsadlers 98 5spd with T3/T4 @5psi dyno @ 256whp WITH 2.25 EXHAUST
this setup has full 3in mandle bent with a similar sized turbo
i bet thebigsadler gained another 10whp with 3in exhaust thats 265whp still at @ 5psi
so i definitly think this thing should put down close to 280whp if not 290 or im going to be very disipointed
your right we dont know what the condition of the engine is maybe he has a bad knock sensor if so that would make a huge diference proboly 30 to 50 hp considering when mine was bad i bet i was seeing like 20hp loss when the engine would go into closed loop
non the less im not saying this is bad in any way i would kill to have 250whp but on the other hand im still thinking the VE should put down very very similar numbers as the VQ
01-15-2004, 03:12 PM
#69
Of course you are picking out the ONE big VQ turbo dyno. Not all of the turbo VQ guys were getting that. AND I remember someone disputinng that. So who knows?
Originally Posted by subs1000w
i want to see the dyno and air fuel ratios
heres a link of thebigsadlers 98 5spd with T3/T4 @5psi dyno @ 256whp WITH 2.25 EXHAUST
this setup has full 3in mandle bent with a similar sized turbo
i bet thebigsadler gained another 10whp with 3in exhaust thats 265whp still at @ 5psi
so i definitly think this thing should put down close to 280whp if not 290 or im going to be very disipointed
your right we dont know what the condition of the engine is maybe he has a bad knock sensor if so that would make a huge diference proboly 30 to 50 hp considering when mine was bad i bet i was seeing like 20hp loss when the engine would go into closed loop
non the less im not saying this is bad in any way i would kill to have 250whp but on the other hand im still thinking the VE should put down very very similar numbers as the VQ
heres a link of thebigsadlers 98 5spd with T3/T4 @5psi dyno @ 256whp WITH 2.25 EXHAUST
this setup has full 3in mandle bent with a similar sized turbo
i bet thebigsadler gained another 10whp with 3in exhaust thats 265whp still at @ 5psi
so i definitly think this thing should put down close to 280whp if not 290 or im going to be very disipointed
your right we dont know what the condition of the engine is maybe he has a bad knock sensor if so that would make a huge diference proboly 30 to 50 hp considering when mine was bad i bet i was seeing like 20hp loss when the engine would go into closed loop
non the less im not saying this is bad in any way i would kill to have 250whp but on the other hand im still thinking the VE should put down very very similar numbers as the VQ
01-15-2004, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MrGone
I just reread the thread.
It would be interesting to see the gains if you went 5spd (full swap, ecu/harness/powervalve ie. Dmontzmax style ).
I still need to get out and make a video and take some notes about the 5spd VI for Aaron.
Another thing... heat. Do you know what the engine was at when you dyno'd or were you doing a bunch of other runs before that run or something? Maybe do what Aaron did and put a 160 (150)* T-stat in there, or get MaDMaX024 to make another Helix spacer or something. Just thinking of stuff.
It would be interesting to see the gains if you went 5spd (full swap, ecu/harness/powervalve ie. Dmontzmax style
).I still need to get out and make a video and take some notes about the 5spd VI for Aaron.
Another thing... heat. Do you know what the engine was at when you dyno'd or were you doing a bunch of other runs before that run or something? Maybe do what Aaron did and put a 160 (150)* T-stat in there, or get MaDMaX024 to make another Helix spacer or something. Just thinking of stuff.
MaXtUneD how many miles are on your car and do you know the condition of your knock sensor. are you aware that this can be a huge factor in performance i would amagine especially with a turbo and if for some reason you cant post your dyno sheet could you let us know what the air fuel ratio is it should be a fairly flat graph at the botton of the sheet
01-15-2004, 07:30 PM
#71
ok guys went out for a test using a g-tech,
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=278447
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=278447
01-15-2004, 10:24 PM
#72
Originally Posted by 4signs
ok guys went out for a test using a g-tech,
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=278447
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=278447
01-15-2004, 10:36 PM
#73
Originally Posted by dmontzmax
That is awesome. G-Tech can be VERY accurate if it is dialed in right. If you are laying down those numbers that is great! a 13.3 is great! I really hope you are laying them down, I would like to know more about your setup, the style piping it is. Can you PM me? I sent you an email about a week ago and never heard back, heh...I guess cause the email system is down
01-15-2004, 10:58 PM
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it was only a matter of time before the vq guys jumped in and said crap about "well his car put down x amount of hp at 5 psi, 8 psi, blah blah."
ever thought about this.
different motors?
mileage?
ever think that the vq might have a better head design?
hi. call me captain obvious, but at 8 psi i think thats pretty good.
congrats.
ever thought about this.
different motors?
mileage?
ever think that the vq might have a better head design?
hi. call me captain obvious, but at 8 psi i think thats pretty good.
congrats.
01-16-2004, 08:04 AM
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i just think he should be putting down more power at 8psi, the torque seems on par to me...but who knows, maybe his 250FWHP lasts for 3000rpm.
along with mr.gone's idea, i'll make you a plenum spacer if you'd like, IM me sometime and i'll give you details.
along with mr.gone's idea, i'll make you a plenum spacer if you'd like, IM me sometime and i'll give you details.
01-16-2004, 08:06 AM
#77
Originally Posted by Bryan H
it was only a matter of time before the vq guys jumped in and said crap about "well his car put down x amount of hp at 5 psi, 8 psi, blah blah."
ever thought about this.
different motors?
mileage?
ever think that the vq might have a better head design?
hi. call me captain obvious, but at 8 psi i think thats pretty good.
congrats.
ever thought about this.
different motors?
mileage?
ever think that the vq might have a better head design?
hi. call me captain obvious, but at 8 psi i think thats pretty good.
congrats.
01-16-2004, 08:44 AM
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look at the stock for stock the VQ and VE have the same HP so therefor you would think with boost they would have very simalare HP
but like i said id like to know how many miles are on his motor and if his knock sensor is good that would make a huge diference
but like i said id like to know how many miles are on his motor and if his knock sensor is good that would make a huge diference