what do you think the biggest flaw in the maxima is?
02-18-2004, 08:51 AM
#81
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Lets see- resale, paint quality (read- aweful), reliability (tranny manny especially), ultra flex 2000 chassis, poor suspension design (rear especially), crash test results (95-96 especially), dim headlights... yup the car sux. 
02-18-2004, 09:05 AM
#82
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Originally Posted by Dave B
Name me a tranny that can handle significantly more power than it was designed too? T56- C5 + dodge viper + cobras use
Toyota Supra Getrag tranny... I know a local one pushing 1000 hp and its got the stock tranny
02-18-2004, 09:38 AM
#84
Originally Posted by ericdwong
the C4 ZF tranny in LT5 /LT4 cars
T56- C5 + dodge viper + cobras use
Toyota Supra Getrag tranny... I know a local one pushing 1000 hp and its got the stock tranny
T56- C5 + dodge viper + cobras use
Toyota Supra Getrag tranny... I know a local one pushing 1000 hp and its got the stock tranny
all 4 door family cars
02-18-2004, 09:47 AM
#85
the tranny is ****en garbage, it blew up on me from jus doing a couple peel outs. By the way nothing is wrong with fwd. Fwd pulls better off da line then a rwd. Either than dat i love it, its not bad for a family car.
02-18-2004, 10:14 AM
#88
Originally Posted by ericdwong
the C4 ZF tranny in LT5 /LT4 cars
T56- C5 + dodge viper + cobras use
Toyota Supra Getrag tranny... I know a local one pushing 1000 hp and its got the stock tranny
T56- C5 + dodge viper + cobras use
Toyota Supra Getrag tranny... I know a local one pushing 1000 hp and its got the stock tranny
02-18-2004, 01:10 PM
#90
Originally Posted by MrGone
46RE
Torque Flight 727
T56
Biggest Complaint: I'm happy with my VE, I wish I had HID's and larger wheels, but that would be way before it's time. People complain about the VTC's, but I'm just glad we have them. I guess just the headlights could use some help.
Torque Flight 727
T56
Biggest Complaint: I'm happy with my VE, I wish I had HID's and larger wheels, but that would be way before it's time. People complain about the VTC's, but I'm just glad we have them. I guess just the headlights could use some help.
I bought a 1970 Challenger brand new in oct 69 and I took the trans out very easlily and it only ran 13's. It was a great car, same color as the one in your pic and turned a lot of heads on the street but not on the track.
My 95 Maxima is running a stock auto trans and runs low 12's. Doesn't turn any heads on the street but sure does on the track.
02-19-2004, 01:17 AM
#97
I think only a couple of folks mentioned it and I'll join in, the seats are horrible, they don't have any support what so ever. I don't no of a simple replacement, besides going with $300 racing seats.
02-19-2004, 06:38 AM
#100
Originally Posted by deezo
Gas mileage is one of the Maximas strengths.
Especially considering how much power the VQ produces when compared to its rivals.
I'm sure there's a best MPG thread out there where plenty of members have topped the EPA estimates....then again most members have a heavy right foot.
FYI: I'm going to do the first RWD conversion on a MAxima..shouldn't be too hard, right?
02-19-2004, 07:20 AM
#102
Originally Posted by 2 Da Max
Go ahead man, well be rite there behind u to support u. lol then again good luck
They came up with this: G35 sedan, MSRP: $27,950.
02-19-2004, 04:50 PM
#106
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Originally Posted by twiggy144
Low resale value is a flaw if you buy new.
It is an advantage if you buy used !!
It is an advantage if you buy used !!
What do I think is the Maxima's biggest flaw? The looks for sure, it has never been better looking than its competion, it's always been behind the times. The handling would probably be its 2nd flaw. Steering would be 3rd.
02-20-2004, 05:37 PM
#107
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Originally Posted by Frank Fontaine
No, I don't think that's true unless you plan on keeping the used Max forever. You buy a 2yr. old SE for 15.5k, seems like a good deal,what, maybe 255 plus xenons? Another guy buys a 2 yr. old Accord for more than that, no xenons, maybe even 4 cyl, maybe 6. His car is cheaper to operate per mile. Only way you level the playing field is to drive the car forever. Otherwise, you sell again you lose more than someone who bought a used Honda, etc. Maybe what you mean is you don't have any more to spend than 15.5k so you get the Max, and the only way the price was that low was because of poor resale.
look at it this way:
buy a 1999 V6 Maxima (66,000 miles): $8,690
buy a 1999 V6 Accord (66,000 miles): $11,215
$2,525 in savings.
Drive it for 3 years, end up with 110,000 miles.
Accord: $6,380
Maxima: $4,655
You can sell your max for $1,725 less than the accord.
that may not have been the most exact method, but you get the idea.
and, chances are, the whole time, you will be blowing the doors off of Accords and just about everything else in its class if you took the money you saved on the car and dumped it into aftermarket parts.
my gripes about the maxima?
Where's the top end power?
High rise 4 wheel drive suspension.
The cover on the driver's headrest keeps coming undone!
A little noisy on the wind.
Where's the ABS (my previous car, a 1992 Infiniti G20 couldnt be bought WITHOUT ABS)
I love the engine, ride/handling.
Resale value works out great for me.
02-21-2004, 07:41 AM
#108
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Originally Posted by hotshtsr20
how do you figure? most of the lost value in a car is in the first few years.
look at it this way:
buy a 1999 V6 Maxima (66,000 miles): $8,690
buy a 1999 V6 Accord (66,000 miles): $11,215
$2,525 in savings.
Drive it for 3 years, end up with 110,000 miles.
Accord: $6,380
Maxima: $4,655
You can sell your max for $1,725 less than the accord.
that may not have been the most exact method, but you get the idea.
and, chances are, the whole time, you will be blowing the doors off of Accords and just about everything else in its class if you took the money you saved on the car and dumped it into aftermarket parts.
my gripes about the maxima?
Where's the top end power?
High rise 4 wheel drive suspension.
The cover on the driver's headrest keeps coming undone!
A little noisy on the wind.
Where's the ABS (my previous car, a 1992 Infiniti G20 couldnt be bought WITHOUT ABS)
I love the engine, ride/handling.
Resale value works out great for me.
look at it this way:
buy a 1999 V6 Maxima (66,000 miles): $8,690
buy a 1999 V6 Accord (66,000 miles): $11,215
$2,525 in savings.
Drive it for 3 years, end up with 110,000 miles.
Accord: $6,380
Maxima: $4,655
You can sell your max for $1,725 less than the accord.
that may not have been the most exact method, but you get the idea.
and, chances are, the whole time, you will be blowing the doors off of Accords and just about everything else in its class if you took the money you saved on the car and dumped it into aftermarket parts.
my gripes about the maxima?
Where's the top end power?
High rise 4 wheel drive suspension.
The cover on the driver's headrest keeps coming undone!
A little noisy on the wind.
Where's the ABS (my previous car, a 1992 Infiniti G20 couldnt be bought WITHOUT ABS)
I love the engine, ride/handling.
Resale value works out great for me.
Maxima price, years 1-5
30831
8119
2539
2235
1981
1777
Accord
26751
4950
2297
2022
1792
1609
Yes, the Maxima takes a 8119 hit year 1 when the Accord only loses 4950. How is that an advantage to a used buyer other than it makes the Maxima less expensive to buy used? The pattern continues through year 5.
These are depreciation numbers. The used car market does not have to reflect them in a 1:1 ratio. Just like if the price of a barrel of oil goes down 10%, it's very unlikely that it will be reflected in the price of gas, because gas is a refined product and oil is a component of it. It's not a direct relationship.
Look at 5 year old Accords and 5 year old Maximas. See I think where this is going is people are happy because they get a 98 SE with every option for 7 grand or something like that and can't possibly get a Honda with those features, mileage, etc. at that price. But if that's a good thing, it's the same logic in saying gee a house that would be 750,000 in boston is only 190,000 in Dallas, therefore Dallas is better. That's pretzel logic!
02-21-2004, 08:50 AM
#111
i love my 3rd gen but i have always hated the stupid "automatic belts." early 90s cars had those, like it was some innovation. really it is ghey and annoying. it ****ed me off so much, i bought an S14 to have a car with normal belts. kept the max, though.
02-21-2004, 11:00 AM
#112
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Originally Posted by Frank Fontaine
These are depreciation numbers. The used car market does not have to reflect them in a 1:1 ratio. Just like if the price of a barrel of oil goes down 10%, it's very unlikely that it will be reflected in the price of gas, because gas is a refined product and oil is a component of it. It's not a direct relationship.
Look at 5 year old Accords and 5 year old Maximas. See I think where this is going is people are happy because they get a 98 SE with every option for 7 grand or something like that and can't possibly get a Honda with those features, mileage, etc. at that price. But if that's a good thing, it's the same logic in saying gee a house that would be 750,000 in boston is only 190,000 in Dallas, therefore Dallas is better. That's pretzel logic!
Look at 5 year old Accords and 5 year old Maximas. See I think where this is going is people are happy because they get a 98 SE with every option for 7 grand or something like that and can't possibly get a Honda with those features, mileage, etc. at that price. But if that's a good thing, it's the same logic in saying gee a house that would be 750,000 in boston is only 190,000 in Dallas, therefore Dallas is better. That's pretzel logic!
me, personally, i think the maxima is a better car. i wouldnt buy an accord even if it was the exact same price. how is that pretzel logic? it is something we like to call opinion. you get the same **** (and, IMO, some better things) than an Accord at less cost. How is that a bad thing? If you bought it new, then that sucks, but your loss is my gain. Wanna sell your max cheap?
and, FWIW, i think a house for $190,000 in Dallas IS better than a $750,000 house in boston. the one in Dallas is likely to have a bigger garage and parking (i'm a car guy), you wont have to deal with as much city crap (its smack dab in the center of Megalopolis) and my mortgage would be WAY less. Jobs in the tech field (what i do) are just as common there. I wouldnt have to deal with nasty winters, having to drive a winter beater to keep my car from rusting, i can own all the assault rifles i want and actually be able to fire the damned thing and the Gulf of Mexico is right there, a much better beach than in Boston. Why do i think this? because its my opinion.
and oil? i didnt say i saved money because i bought a bunch of metal at a 10% savings and MADE a maxima. what does that have to do with the price of eggs in china?
but i digress. I am glad you think my logic is pretzeled, those are tasty. Me, personally, i am glad i saved money, both initial and long run.
02-21-2004, 11:11 AM
#113
i am going to have to say...
paint and the MAF sensor
I am glad my maxima didn't come low...one reason is when you do lower it, it looks bad ***...and another is when you see somthing differnet it looks awesome...but if all the maxima's came lowered it wouldn't be as cool!
paint and the MAF sensor
I am glad my maxima didn't come low...one reason is when you do lower it, it looks bad ***...and another is when you see somthing differnet it looks awesome...but if all the maxima's came lowered it wouldn't be as cool!
02-21-2004, 12:32 PM
#114
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Posts: 87
Originally Posted by BLKMAX005SPD
i am going to have to say...
paint and the MAF sensor
I am glad my maxima didn't come low...one reason is when you do lower it, it looks bad ***...and another is when you see somthing differnet it looks awesome...but if all the maxima's came lowered it wouldn't be as cool!
paint and the MAF sensor
I am glad my maxima didn't come low...one reason is when you do lower it, it looks bad ***...and another is when you see somthing differnet it looks awesome...but if all the maxima's came lowered it wouldn't be as cool!
MAF sensors kick @ss man, you dont need different maps for different weather, altitude, etc. it reads FLOW, so it is exact, regardless of conditions. MAP sensors read pressure (or lack of) and GUESS at flow. lame. if you tune it for 10,000 feet, you will run lean at sea level. if you tune it for sea level, you run rich at 10,000 feet. same goes for cold vs hot weather.
look at the car in my sig, 400+whp out of a stock bottom end 2.0L engine, with a reprogrammed factory computer. cant beat that!
02-23-2004, 05:52 AM
#116
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Originally Posted by Frank Fontaine
I don't follow your logic. Here are real TOC numbers for loaded 2k4 Maximas and Accords:
Maxima price, years 1-5
30831
8119
2539
2235
1981
1777
Accord
26751
4950
2297
2022
1792
1609
Yes, the Maxima takes a 8119 hit year 1 when the Accord only loses 4950. How is that an advantage to a used buyer other than it makes the Maxima less expensive to buy used? The pattern continues through year 5.
These are depreciation numbers. The used car market does not have to reflect them in a 1:1 ratio. Just like if the price of a barrel of oil goes down 10%, it's very unlikely that it will be reflected in the price of gas, because gas is a refined product and oil is a component of it. It's not a direct relationship.
Look at 5 year old Accords and 5 year old Maximas. See I think where this is going is people are happy because they get a 98 SE with every option for 7 grand or something like that and can't possibly get a Honda with those features, mileage, etc. at that price. But if that's a good thing, it's the same logic in saying gee a house that would be 750,000 in boston is only 190,000 in Dallas, therefore Dallas is better. That's pretzel logic!
Maxima price, years 1-5
30831
8119
2539
2235
1981
1777
Accord
26751
4950
2297
2022
1792
1609
Yes, the Maxima takes a 8119 hit year 1 when the Accord only loses 4950. How is that an advantage to a used buyer other than it makes the Maxima less expensive to buy used? The pattern continues through year 5.
These are depreciation numbers. The used car market does not have to reflect them in a 1:1 ratio. Just like if the price of a barrel of oil goes down 10%, it's very unlikely that it will be reflected in the price of gas, because gas is a refined product and oil is a component of it. It's not a direct relationship.
Look at 5 year old Accords and 5 year old Maximas. See I think where this is going is people are happy because they get a 98 SE with every option for 7 grand or something like that and can't possibly get a Honda with those features, mileage, etc. at that price. But if that's a good thing, it's the same logic in saying gee a house that would be 750,000 in boston is only 190,000 in Dallas, therefore Dallas is better. That's pretzel logic!
Depreciation For Maxima Buying at the beginning of year 2:
8119 Saving From Buying Used
-2539 Depreciation year 2
-2235 Depreciation year 3
-1981 Depreciation year 4
-1777 Depreciation year 5
Total Loss Due to Depreciation 413
Depreciation For Accord Buying at beginning of year 2:
4950 Savings From Buying Used
-2297 Depreciation year 2
-2022 Depreciation year 3
-1792 Depreciation year 4
-1609 Depreciation year 5
Total Loss Due to Depreciation 2770
This means that the Maxima owner who buys at year two loses $413 dollars due to depreciation where the Accord buyer who buys at year two loses $2770 due to depreciation. If you were buying new the depreciation would be more for the Maxima. The Maxima loses a total of $16,651 or 54% of its value due to depreciation by year 5. The Accord loses $12,670 or 47% of it value due to depreciation by year 5. So, basically you statement is incorrect in regards to used Maxima buyers like myself.
So, who is using pretzel logic?
02-23-2004, 10:13 AM
#117
Originally Posted by MaximaMoJo
Ok, you guys are going to have to follow me on this:
Depreciation For Maxima Buying at the beginning of year 2:
8119 Saving From Buying Used
-2539 Depreciation year 2
-2235 Depreciation year 3
-1981 Depreciation year 4
-1777 Depreciation year 5
Total Loss Due to Depreciation 413
Depreciation For Accord Buying at beginning of year 2:
4950 Savings From Buying Used
-2297 Depreciation year 2
-2022 Depreciation year 3
-1792 Depreciation year 4
-1609 Depreciation year 5
Total Loss Due to Depreciation 2770
This means that the Maxima owner who buys at year two loses $413 dollars due to depreciation where the Accord buyer who buys at year two loses $2770 due to depreciation. If you were buying new the depreciation would be more for the Maxima. The Maxima loses a total of $16,651 or 54% of its value due to depreciation by year 5. The Accord loses $12,670 or 47% of it value due to depreciation by year 5. So, basically you statement is incorrect in regards to used Maxima buyers like myself.
So, who is using pretzel logic?
Depreciation For Maxima Buying at the beginning of year 2:
8119 Saving From Buying Used
-2539 Depreciation year 2
-2235 Depreciation year 3
-1981 Depreciation year 4
-1777 Depreciation year 5
Total Loss Due to Depreciation 413
Depreciation For Accord Buying at beginning of year 2:
4950 Savings From Buying Used
-2297 Depreciation year 2
-2022 Depreciation year 3
-1792 Depreciation year 4
-1609 Depreciation year 5
Total Loss Due to Depreciation 2770
This means that the Maxima owner who buys at year two loses $413 dollars due to depreciation where the Accord buyer who buys at year two loses $2770 due to depreciation. If you were buying new the depreciation would be more for the Maxima. The Maxima loses a total of $16,651 or 54% of its value due to depreciation by year 5. The Accord loses $12,670 or 47% of it value due to depreciation by year 5. So, basically you statement is incorrect in regards to used Maxima buyers like myself.
So, who is using pretzel logic?
02-23-2004, 11:10 AM
#118
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wow that's pretty amazing that you came up with depreciation fact...i love my maxima but i wish that it came with a better transmission to make up for all the mods that i put on this beast.
02-23-2004, 12:39 PM
#120
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Originally Posted by MaximaMoJo
This means that the Maxima owner who buys at year two loses $413 dollars due to depreciation where the Accord buyer who buys at year two loses $2770 due to depreciation. If you were buying new the depreciation would be more for the Maxima. The Maxima loses a total of $16,651 or 54% of its value due to depreciation by year 5. The Accord loses $12,670 or 47% of it value due to depreciation by year 5. So, basically you statement is incorrect in regards to used Maxima buyers like myself.
So, who is using pretzel logic?
go $190,000 house! Err...i mean used maxima!