Goodbye Maxima.org....car was stolen at gunpoint
Originally Posted by THT
Jason, Tony, it's not that we don't believe you guys. You two have done nothing to make me think you had a hand in your cars being destroyed. It's just SOME people who can't help but be incredibly rude by insinuating that you helped dismantle something you both loved. I'm sorry that you have a negative impression of the members of maxima.org
~THT
~THT
Jesus H. Moses...get you a napkin and wipe your lips off.
Originally Posted by look2me40
You guys are idiots. Whether he or Sadler did these things on their own...why does it even matter? So the stories sound fishy. So their cars were 'stolen', trashed and insurance is going to pick up the tab. And? What is the big deal here? Even if the claims were false, what is he going to gain out of it? Whatever he gets from insurance he could have just as easily sold the car for...probably with less pain. But on top of all that...he will NEVER get the money back that he put into it. Then there is the time spent on top of that. So really...who cares? The car is gone and is never coming back. Only he knows for certain if the events really did happen and if they did, you are truly making yourselves look like a.s.s.e.s. for doubting him. He was in a situation where instead of being here, typing out his story, one of his .org friends would have to write up a "Araffio killed" thread.
EDIT: YES, everyone is entitled to their thoughts and opinions...but we are not entitled to accusations we can't back up.
EDIT: YES, everyone is entitled to their thoughts and opinions...but we are not entitled to accusations we can't back up.
who accused him of it?
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Tony-
Hey sorry for your loss man. I know how much time and dedication you put into your car...and to see all the hard work drive off on you. You have what I believe to be the best looking Maxima around. Classy and tasteful. I was hoping to see your car at a show this year. I can't imagine what you're feeling right now. Thank God that you able to walk away. Those guys will get whats coming to them I'm sure, one way or the other. People like that always do. Take care man. -Jeremiah
Hey sorry for your loss man. I know how much time and dedication you put into your car...and to see all the hard work drive off on you. You have what I believe to be the best looking Maxima around. Classy and tasteful. I was hoping to see your car at a show this year. I can't imagine what you're feeling right now. Thank God that you able to walk away. Those guys will get whats coming to them I'm sure, one way or the other. People like that always do. Take care man. -Jeremiah
Originally Posted by BP_3.5
edit - to blaxxxima
^ and you'd be spending a while in jail. in the US there's only one state where it's justifiable to use deadly force in defending your property and NJ isn't it.
^ and you'd be spending a while in jail. in the US there's only one state where it's justifiable to use deadly force in defending your property and NJ isn't it.
If the story is true and the offenders had a gun in their possession? Read the laws again. If he had reason to believe his life was in danger (and if they pointed a gun at him I would assume that) he can blast away.
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I'd take the insurance money, buy a beater and not get the G35 with the bling-bling package and uber-l33t bodykit and put it towards a down payment on a house.
But that's just me.
And in the end, your life > hunk of metal
But that's just me.
And in the end, your life > hunk of metal
dam man this f*cking sucks, i cant believe this happened. Newark is right next to me too, and when my car got stolen it was found there too. Jumped on a real alarm asap. Dam i'm surprised u dont have any special alarm or gadgets to make teh car hard to steal with all the investment u put into it....
i'm glad u ok man, if someone put a gun on me, its hard to say what i would do, its disrespectful but stupid to still charge. I guess inexperience made u jump out that way. I hope u have better luck wit the G.
had to happen in f*cking jersey....
i'm glad u ok man, if someone put a gun on me, its hard to say what i would do, its disrespectful but stupid to still charge. I guess inexperience made u jump out that way. I hope u have better luck wit the G.
had to happen in f*cking jersey....
Actually he could probably get more than a private sale. If he kept all his receipts and took pictures of his mods.
When someone totalled my car, the Ins Co. lowballed me on the replacement value. But after documenting all the mod costs/repair costs, I roughly doubled my payout.
When someone totalled my car, the Ins Co. lowballed me on the replacement value. But after documenting all the mod costs/repair costs, I roughly doubled my payout.
Originally Posted by look2me40
If the story is true and the offenders had a gun in their possession? Read the laws again. If he had reason to believe his life was in danger (and if they pointed a gun at him I would assume that) he can blast away.
IF he was in the car and they tried to car-jack him, then yeah he has a right to defend himself.
Originally Posted by BP_3.5
nope. the reason why is because (as his story says) he saw the thieves BEFORE he went to the car. so if he gets his gun and then goes to confront them after seeing them in the process of stealing his car...then he initiated action and put himself in harm's way. that won't stand up as self defense...except in TX.
IF he was in the car and they tried to car-jack him, then yeah he has a right to defend himself.
IF he was in the car and they tried to car-jack him, then yeah he has a right to defend himself.
gun laws vary from state to state.. and as you noted.. in TX you can kill a man for sitting on yoru car
My aunt stuck up the guys that tried to steal her car it was 3 of them in the car.....kind of detered them. So Donkey's senario is definately doable.
However with nothing in your hand I would have called the po-po
Arrafio I loved your car, it was an inspiration and I'm Sorry for the loss. I am not Accusing you at all but I have to look at both sides of the story and play with the devil dudes for a minute.
If the car was alarmed with probably a viper alarm wouldn't the starter kill not have let the car start even if they push started the sucker?
However with nothing in your hand I would have called the po-po
Arrafio I loved your car, it was an inspiration and I'm Sorry for the loss. I am not Accusing you at all but I have to look at both sides of the story and play with the devil dudes for a minute.
If the car was alarmed with probably a viper alarm wouldn't the starter kill not have let the car start even if they push started the sucker?
This sucks dude. I was in the area two weeks ago and was staying at the Sheraton across the Giant Stadium but at the last min decided NOT to drive the max up there.
Everything happens for good. Hope everything works out with the insurance company and enjoy the G
Buying a house is another option
Devil's advocate stuff is funny.....
Everything happens for good. Hope everything works out with the insurance company and enjoy the G
Buying a house is another option
Devil's advocate stuff is funny.....
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I like how some of you say "coulda done this,should of , i would have done this" crap. when somethings happening you don't sit there and analyze all the ideas of what you COULD do and just do what your instincts tell you to do. He saw his car getting jacked so he tryed to deter them off. If he called the cops the car could of been smashed somewhere by then anyway or concealed. He attempted to save his car and scare them off but failed. Did the right thing by not doing anything further IMO
Best of luck w/your new whip Tony. take it easy.
Best of luck w/your new whip Tony. take it easy.
Originally Posted by stevay
I like how some of you say "coulda done this,should of , i would have done this" crap. when somethings happening you don't sit there and analyze all the ideas of what you COULD do and just do what your instincts tell you to do. He saw his car getting jacked so he tryed to deter them off. If he called the cops the car could of been smashed somewhere by then anyway or concealed. He attempted to save his car and scare them off but failed. Did the right thing by not doing anything further IMO
Best of luck w/your new whip Tony. take it easy.
Best of luck w/your new whip Tony. take it easy.
if after getting two months of donations i sell my maxima and buy an E55.. tell me you wouldn't think something is funny.
what is this? the brady bunch.. come on .. tell me you guys don't live in a world where everything is perfect and nothing strange happens
Originally Posted by Redmax
My aunt stuck up the guys that tried to steal her car it was 3 of them in the car.....kind of detered them. So Donkey's senario is definately doable.
Originally Posted by Redmax
However with nothing in your hand I would have called the po-po
Originally Posted by Redmax
If the car was alarmed with probably a viper alarm wouldn't the starter kill not have let the car start even if they push started the sucker?
Okay how about the Devil's Devil's avocate?
If he really did something under the table, why advertise it? Hell why even say your car was stolen?
I'd shut up and just say I got a new car. Much less give out details for people to analyze
If he really did something under the table, why advertise it? Hell why even say your car was stolen?
I'd shut up and just say I got a new car. Much less give out details for people to analyze
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damn arrafio really loved the max. Sorry to see it go. My car got stolen right in front of my eyes last summer and was found 5 minutes away from my house within 12 hours completely strippped and destroyed. At least ur ok and look forward to the new g35 and try to put the past behind you.
Originally Posted by SprintMax
you are familiar with what playing devils advocate is right?
who accused him of it?
who accused him of it?
I know...I do it all the time (which you should know.) But nobody decides to play "Devil's Advocate" if they don't have any accusations they don't want to come directly out and say sitting in the back of their mind. And just like with Sadler, I see the lemmings are going to hop right on the "Devil's Advocate" bus and start talking out of their a.s.s.e.s. just to be like you and Nupe.
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Okay how about the Devil's Devil's avocate?
If he really did something under the table, why advertise it? Hell why even say your car was stolen?
I'd shut up and just say I got a new car. Much less give out details for people to analyze
If he really did something under the table, why advertise it? Hell why even say your car was stolen?
I'd shut up and just say I got a new car. Much less give out details for people to analyze
advertising it on a public forum gives more paper trail that more people know its stolen ..
if you say its stolen on a public message board... you can always reference it later on if a law suit or insurance situation arises. It also proves that the information about the car was true.
BUT.. thats if it was stolen.. or your devils advocate was true
Originally Posted by look2me40
I know...I do it all the time (which you should know.) But nobody decides to play "Devil's Advocate" if they don't have any accusations they don't want to come directly out and say sitting in the back of their mind. And just like with Sadler, I see the lemmings are going to hop right on the "Devil's Advocate" bus and start talking out of their a.s.s.e.s. just to be like you and Nupe.
everyone is entitled to jump on any bandwaggon they feel.. its a free country.
Originally Posted by BP_3.5
nope. the reason why is because (as his story says) he saw the thieves BEFORE he went to the car. so if he gets his gun and then goes to confront them after seeing them in the process of stealing his car...then he initiated action and put himself in harm's way. that won't stand up as self defense...except in TX.
IF he was in the car and they tried to car-jack him, then yeah he has a right to defend himself.
IF he was in the car and they tried to car-jack him, then yeah he has a right to defend himself.
Again, you're wrong. He did not know they had a gun. He is allowed to confront people damaging or stealing his property. He did NOT initiate the action, they did by breaking into his car. Just like with the cops, he could shoot all of them and then claim whatever he wants if nobody was there to see.
Originally Posted by look2me40
Again, you're wrong. He did not know they had a gun. He is allowed to confront people damaging or stealing his property. He did NOT initiate the action, they did by breaking into his car. Just like with the cops, he could shoot all of them and then claim whatever he wants if nobody was there to see.
Originally Posted by SprintMax
so what.. the other lemmings are on the other boat.. why can't some of the lemmings jump on the other boat..
everyone is entitled to jump on any bandwaggon they feel.. its a free country.
everyone is entitled to jump on any bandwaggon they feel.. its a free country.
Why should the boats be out of dry dock to begin with? This whole subject is just
Originally Posted by SprintMax
Actually if NJ gun laws are like CT.. he cannot shoot anyone unless they are using the same form of force, in which when he noticed they had a gun. Sure he could shoot them and hope they had a gun, then it would be self defence. In CT if someone is stealing your car and they are not armed, you cannot shoot them. Shoot out the tires all you want, you cannot shoot them.
Always have a throw away.
Originally Posted by SprintMax
so what.. the other lemmings are on the other boat.. why can't some of the lemmings jump on the other boat..
everyone is entitled to jump on any bandwaggon they feel.. its a free country.
everyone is entitled to jump on any bandwaggon they feel.. its a free country.
Well, whatever happenned (and it really doesn't matter how it happenned), it sucks that your car is gone. I remember when it was bone stock. Another legendary Max dead and gone. Sucks.
Good luck with everything
Alex
Good luck with everything
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And you should disassemble the gun and throw it away in pieces. It's good idea to rough up the interior of the barrel with a round skinny file too.
Originally Posted by SprintMax
that old 22 with the filed off serial number
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Yep...Dead people can't sue or show up in court.
1. Don't pull it out unless you are going to use it.
2. Shoot to kill.
3. Kill one...Kill all.
1. Don't pull it out unless you are going to use it.
2. Shoot to kill.
3. Kill one...Kill all.
Originally Posted by look2me40
Again, you're wrong. He did not know they had a gun. He is allowed to confront people damaging or stealing his property. He did NOT initiate the action, they did by breaking into his car. Just like with the cops, he could shoot all of them and then claim whatever he wants if nobody was there to see.
Originally Posted by kingrukus
Gad Damn...thats a next level situation. I dunno what to say...hopefully karma will get them in the end.
i never saw your max, but i wouldn't ever wish anyone's max get stolen... especially since i understand the amount of work and committment it takes to bring her up to that level.
again, sorry to hear about what happened and i'm glad to hear you weren't hurt when they pulled a gun on you when you ran out.
enjoy your new ride...
took a while to read through all the pages...
Tony posted that he showed up and was threatened at gunpoint.. why didn't those thieves (typo) ask him for the car keys instead of trying to jump the car.
-AnGe
Tony posted that he showed up and was threatened at gunpoint.. why didn't those thieves (typo) ask him for the car keys instead of trying to jump the car.
-AnGe
Originally Posted by SprintMax
. .. ima play right along with you...
again.. why would you walk up to the car with guys in it and you are not armed..
again.. why would you walk up to the car with guys in it and you are not armed..
Originally Posted by 97MaxGurl
took a while to read through all the pages...
Tony posted that he showed up and was threatened at gunpoint.. why didn't those thieves (typo) ask him for the car keys instead of trying to jump the car.
-AnGe
Tony posted that he showed up and was threatened at gunpoint.. why didn't those thieves (typo) ask him for the car keys instead of trying to jump the car.
-AnGe
but again.. we are all speculating and playign devils advocate
Originally Posted by look2me40
Again, you're wrong. He did not know they had a gun. He is allowed to confront people damaging or stealing his property. He did NOT initiate the action, they did by breaking into his car. Just like with the cops, he could shoot all of them and then claim whatever he wants if nobody was there to see.
so what are you gonna do? walk up with your gun out and shoot them all in the act? smart move that'll land you in jail.
oh but you'll wait for them to pull their guns and then you'll pull out your gun second and shoot all of them before they shoot you first. riiight...i forgot this is the internet and e-tough guys are invincible and know it all.
this is NOT like the cops. ...and your gun with the filed down serial will get you life in jail...but that's right you'll throw it over the bridge and explain away the whole situation. and of course there won't be any by-standers or people looking out of their window, but you'll kill them too right...leave no witness behind. lol...now you've gone from victim to criminal.