Which gen is the best, stock and with aftermarket springs/struts? I know my old 1990 with Eibachs and GR2s seems to do better in the twisties than a friends 96 GLE with aftermarket springs/struts, although he can stomp me in a straight line. Are the 4th gens the only ones with the oxcart rear suspension geometry, or do the 5th gen maximas have it as well?

 

the 4DSC

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4DSC > *

(Maximas that is)

 

oh and 5th gens have it aswell.

 

I may be wrong but didn't the earlier generations before the 4th gen have 4 wheel independent suspensions instead of the solid rear axle design?

 

1995-2003. multi-link crap beam

 

yes sir

 

3rd gen rules (4DSC 4 life!)

Brian

 

slow down when your going around a corner you will be ok. Buy a 4th gen you will have more fun
and yes before all the 3rd geners get their panties twisted i know you guys have better suspension setup.

 

How exactly would we have more fun?

Brian

 

smaller interior
squeeky
inferior build quality
not even a FSB avaliable
and no heim joint rear suspension no care.


lets all go buy one!!!11

 

By judge of silence in this thread I judge that 3rd gen wins hands down...


Brian

 

 

yeah... gotta love "the beam"

 

6th gen...its newer, so it must be better.

 

my third gen squeaks all over the place and drives worse than a go kart ...... but it handles incredibly...... luxury i would go with not a 3rd gen, i rode in a 99 and it was really nice and comfortable...... but ill keep my go kart, i have too much fun

 

clicky hur j00 trader

Seriously, I have a hard time believing any gen will come close to a 3rd gen.

we are the only ones with an aftermarket full heim joint rear suspension setup. While the others are using polyurethane, we're just taking out all the bushings period! Not to mention 4th genners dont even have a FSB


4DSC > *

 

Shawn, shaddup. both suspension designs have their strengths and weaknesses. I'll agree that the 3rd gen suspension is better, but ONLY after significant mods. stock for stock, the 4th gen will outcorner a 3rd gen because camber on the rear end isn't affected by body lean - the 3rd gen is.. but get ANY bumps in the road at the same time and the 3rd gen wins.

 

Very well stated.

 

I drove a 2k4 with springs/struts/rsb/fstb and it still felt boaty. Better than the 5th gen in really really tight sharp turns, but the 3rd gen still seems to take the corners easier. At the time the only extra mods I had was the RSTB on my car. The rear of it didn't get loose on a really sharp u-turn like the 5th gen did though.

 

jooo basterd: I had to go back into my saved email box and find my password and then the damn .org came up in some ugly **** version and I had to switch it back to OG style. You are dirty! haha

Newer is still better!

 

im not knocking on the 3rd gens but a fully modded 4thgen would own a fully modded 3rd gen in almost anything. one a turn comes up in sure a smaller lighter car might dive into the turn faster, but once it opens up again the 4thgen would walk away form it. on a entire track im sure the 4thgen would win.

 

I have FSB stock......

 

depends on what you consider fully modded.. there's tons more engine stuff available for the 4th gens and they *can* make more top end power, but only after boost or ECU and MEVI. without either of those, then a VE will walk it on the top end and pull away. I'll also keep up with just about anyone in the corners. My lap times are similar to a fulyl prepped spec miata, just for a reference. I pass about 75% of them on the track-- the only ones that I don't pass are the ones that are consistently winning races- and I can follow them most of the way around. on the straights, I leave them behind.. on the corners, they leave me behind.

either way, my 3rd gen will pull 1.2G in the corners with race slicks on good concrete.. See if your 4th gen can do that. once you get to the straights, the VE top end will walk away from it yet again. the only NA maximas that have ever beaten mine on top end is a 4th gen with MEVI and ECU, and a 2k3 6 speed.

 

VE's actually have just as much top end as we do... actually they have the ability to barely walk on us... that is according to SteVtec's dyno sheets.

But then again Turd gens will always be the redheaded bastard stepchild to every 4 - 6 genner out there.

 

Well said

 

How so? The 3rd gen came before the 4th gen, therefore the 4th gen is the bastard child. And they dont "barely walk" they WALK.

 

hmmm I would say barely, ask Izzy aka crazy4maxima when I took him on the Van Wyck hitting over 140 at 4am.. he had every bolt on you could imagine on his turd gen, I just had a Y pipe, intake and catback.

And I say that because people dont give 3rd gens respect, they look like old refrigerators on 4 wheels... until they try to run them. :

 

Sure he didnt have a VG? heh

I own them both and trust me, they WALK. I have also seen many races with the VE WALKING.

Old refrigerator on wheels? haha then the 4th gen is a log sawed in half sitting on 4 wheels, the back especially, kind of like a car you make in cub scouts for the derby.

And sorry to tell you, the 3rd gen has way more style...

 

Definately a VE

 

Wasnt his the blue one that didnt run right or something?

Also races have lots of variables, if you hit the gas first that makes a big difference.

 

I wish I could let him tell the story, it was quite funny actually... I ended up catchign up to him, he had a head start and getting on the infamous Jackie Robinson Parkway when he fishtailed and almost lost it doing about 80 on a turn... Yes he had the blue 5 speed VE

 

So you are saying your 4th gen can walk on a modded VE 5 speed? We need to find you a well running one to play with...

keep it coming, almost to 9k.

 

Thank god I wont be having this boat much longer... I'll have something even a boosted Max cant catch up with.

 

Geez, was that measured with a accelerometer or like on a skidpad?

 

I hear ya!


Thats already done though and handling NO car can ever come close to.

 

Hey when you take a look at it... not many cars can come close to the handling 4th gens have either... name one car thats worse?

 

88 Cadillac ElDorado.

 

haha exactly my point!

 

cheap azz GTech Pro showed 1.21G, and the speed around the skidpad circle confirmed it to within a few hundredths. I forget how fast it was now though.. it'll be even better once I get the front suspension worked out and get some of the camber problems fixed.